believers becoming non believers?

Cmon, we are still washing our clothes and ironing them like we did decades ago. Nothing has advanced much, really. Our so called "modern medicines" are a joke and kills more often than we care to admit, our primary mode of flight is through blasting explosives to create thrusts...how much more primitive can an aircraft get?


Not a very well thought out response the the above poster

if i may add my .02 pennies.
its not a question of becoming non-believers,
i think it more psychological than that.
consciously, we're still waiting for the day a craft lands in front of the white house and the faithful word of "we come in peace" takes place.
or to the conspiracy theorists and self-proclaimed debunkers, they are hoping the day the black government or overt government botch some internal case and accidentally reveals some information that forces them to total disclosure.
and some are just hoping to be abducted.

unconsciously though, there are a lot series of events that plagues our minds and almost forces us to lose hope.
some examples, in 2 or 3 recent threads, here and here
it makes us wonder why they havent contacted the "masses" and revealed themselves. if after we landed on the moon, such a paramount achievement at the time it took place for us, and all the unknown crafts did was simply "observe" and watched the astronauts...
if we see today images of crafts simply orbiting our near by planets and going about their business, if they are freely entering our airspace and leaving,
if they can decisively appear and disappear in space and systematically has managed to keep themselves so illusive despite this world being inhabited by 6 billion people [12 billion seeing eyes] and we are still skeptics and approaching 2008;
these questions and facts in turn makes us, unconsciously feel insignificant. and as a result, instead of being cautious, we are in "awe" of these phenomenal beings or just deny them completely to boost our esteem. and believers almost worship them as our subconscious has convinced us they are far more evolved and a superior race than us. if they werent, why would they not be as fascinated in us as we them. they certainly have the capabilities to get all the answers they would want from us; but they are not doing that. they are ignoring us and going about their business. i think in the near future, we will refrain from saying "our solar system" as we will soon realize its in fact not our solar system at all... we are mere ants and pests and are expendable if the time would come.

an NO, we have no defense over them if the time would ever arise for us to defend ourselves. imagine if our technologies have advanced tot he point of nukes or death ray weapons, imagine theirs.
and yes they pose no more a threat to us than we do ourselves.
if so, why would they wait for us to evolve so far to finally "attack us" ; which again solidifies my point of us being insignificant to them and how thats affected us unconsciously.
truthfully, i feel pathetic and insignificant; how lowly are we that these beings feel no need to actually say, "hi we are neighbors".
they just watch us destroy our planet and each other ever slowly. and no, they dont "provide us with technology".how stupid would we be to accept "cell phone" technology when we can find out how to build crafts that can orbit the sun or crafts that can maneuver easily in air space as they can in outer space. so we accept from them weapons technology instead of decoding our own DNA or knowing the factual amount of species that exist on earth.. if thats the case, and we accept "weapons tech" from them as oppose to cures for known diseases, then we are indeed insignificant to them, and we are just puppets; and for that they dont have to reveal themselves to us and make us "believers".
and the list of examples go on and on. this very web site is further proof how much they could care less if we know they exist or dont, they dont care how faithful you are, they are not your saviors, they are not going to cure us of global warming, if they were why would they wait for the tipping point. even when we are on the brink of extension, they will still simply "hover" above us.
sad but true. so we lose hope

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I cant get into the doom and gloom,giving up hope and all that depressing stuff!We dont need aliens to save us from any damn thing .Stop believing the words of the doom merchants and start having a lot more faith in the natural world.SO the weather changes,it has done that since dat 1.I dont want E.Ts to lecture me on things we have ,and are still doing, wrong.THEY didnt get where they are without making mistakes.We know the mistakes we are making,we just dont yet know how to stop.If E.Ts are watching this little planet and even if they were able to comunicate,they would be well advised to stay well clear of such a violent and destructive species as this one.Well,at least until we learn who and what the real enemy is!I think some already know.

I have seen & I believe, but no I am not going to loose hope. I have no reason to loose hope. They come "en masse" or on a mo-ped, it really dosent matter. Disclosure or not, it still means naught. I saw & I believe. It makes no difference to my ggg grandfather or my ggg grandchildren now does it? Its none of their care, only mine.

I choose to stand and believe, & I will make no appoligies to anyone for what I believe. 'Till my dying breath.

Dreaming Man,

I applaud you and there are millions on this planet that stand beside you.

Originally posted by china12
THEY didnt get where they are without making mistakes.We know the mistakes we are making,we just dont yet know how to stop.

show me a man who say they know their mistakes and dont know how to stop and i will show you a liar. blatant liar.
if you are conscious of a mistake, that is only because you know the opposite, which is the right thing.
just as a child grows up, he/she begins to have higher consciousness and can now differentiate right from wrong; and if that child say i know i should not fight with other kids but i dont know how to stop, that child needs a good old fashion spanking.

Originally posted by china12 If E.Ts are watching this little planet and even if they were able to comunicate,they would be well advised to stay well clear of such a violent and destructive species as this one.Well,at least until we learn who and what the real enemy is!I think some already know.

yea, you already know the enemy as well.
we are. "we" are the only threat to mankind. imagine the world with only animals, which we supposedly have superior intelligence over. imagine what kind of world the animals would enjoy without "man" sharing it with them. i think at some point the ETs will have similar chain of thoughts... which may prove to be the fall of "mankind".

And i do entertain the idea that we are still evolving, and we will change and go eventually into an era of "blistfullness and peace" as some Tibetan Buddhist view. But, as we evovle, we seem to lose all shred of dignity and morals, and violence and power is all that fascinates us.
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stop me when i lie, or when my opinion is proven false...

the point is "believing" doesnt matter or will change anything. seeing a UFO will not change anything, Bases on the moon disclosed to John Lear himself will not change anything, Roswell disclosure will not change anything, 10mb pixel HDR photos of giant crafts orbiting saturn will not change anything.
we will still be humans and we will have the same chain of thoughts.
and politicians will do the same, big cooporations will do the same they have always been doing.
and, even worse with all that info disclosed, the ET's will still not want to overtly "present" themsleves to the us majority of mankind and say "hello". there is a reason for that.
in fact many more reason... all to another thread for itself.

Whether or not anyone wants to believe it or not Aliens are demons. Since demons are Spirits they are not forced to conform to the physical realm. They are able to shape shift and make lights of all sorts, more importantly since they have the ability to make visions. They can make you see and hear what they want you to thru this ability and convince you of something that will send your soul to hell.

Originally posted by ugm84
Whether or not anyone wants to believe it or not Aliens are demons. Since demons are Spirits they are not forced to conform to the physical realm. They are able to shape shift and make lights of all sorts, more importantly since they have the ability to make visions. They can make you see and hear what they want you to thru this ability and convince you of something that will send your soul to hell.

I believe angels and demons were metaphors for something else, possibly ET spirits/beings. Heaven could be a planet, and so could Hell. The Christians will continue to believe that aliens/UFO's are demons/angels because that responds to their beliefs.

I dont understand why religion (which I hate) has to be involved in this conversation, I wasn't even part of the topic

Religion is always involved in the topic of aliens and UFOs. Angels and demons, fairies and elves, aliens and UFOs, they are all reflections of the unknown and our attempt to understand it. There have been some very good scholarly papers written about how these are all manifestations of the same source, each tuned to the specific society that they come from. At different periods in history, different explanations are excepted. In our period of history, it is either aliens/UFOs or angels/demons.
The more fundamental the religion is in an area, the more demon reports. If it is more science based or worldly, the more alien reports.

With my own two eyes I can say I have seen prove of out of this world technology. Religion I can not. So to me this has nothing to do with religion.

Nah.
All the fakes out there just make me more determined to find aliens.
All believers to turn to non believers just have a weak mind