Catholics Worship Idols

Exodus 20: 3-5

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

All images of Mary, Christ, the "saints" violate this commandment. When one kneels down before them violates this commandment.

Catholics also reject the true Sabbath........

Repent of your Idol worship!

You are right. I realised this about 5 or 6 years ago and it was pretty obvious what they're doing. I lay blame on the clergy, if they say something is OK or wrong many many people will listen without a second thought.


Just so all christians understand, we need not bow to a portrait or figure or likeness to meet God. Prayer is the boat with which we dock at his port. Be careful you are not accidently doing this.

[edit on 25-8-2007 by depth om]

Have your ever heard the rosary prayed?

That has got to be the creepiest thing I ever heard! To the point of satanic.

I predict catholicism will turn into Mary worship. I'll find catholic decrees on the subject...

Originally posted by astmonster
Exodus 20: 3-5



Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

hhhmmm, soundslike a comanement against makeing art or carvings of, well anything realy. kinda lame.

Originally posted by superevoman


hhhmmm, soundslike a comanement against makeing art or carvings of, well anything realy. kinda lame.

It applies more to actually idolizing an image or form. Deifying mere mineral and element. God called for intricate carvings and objects to be a part of his altars. Not so they can be worshipped, but to make the place where he is worshipped grand in design, and powerful to the senses.

[edit on 25-8-2007 by depth om]

Ignorance is incredible.

We do not worship Idols.

the first command applies to images made to be worshipped.

God commanded moses to make a brazen serpent to look upon when bitten by the beast or whatever it was.

God commanded angels and cherubim to be made and placed in the temple.

Saint pauls relic of his clothes was used to heal people, I think its in acts.


The church does the same, the use relics and make the atmosphere just like the old temple was which has statues and images.

your taking it out of context.

Now the hail mary is in Luke.

" Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women and blesssed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus "


This is the first part of the hail mary.

every part of that is in Luke.

The second part is.


" Holy mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death "


Just asking her for prayers as our spiritual mother, as Jesus wants mary to become every christians mother spiritually as he said to john at the cross. Behold thy mother ect...

Shes your mother and is full of grace.


The saints reached such high degrees of holiness that some raised the dead, and had stigmata, not to mention the countless eucharistic miracles proven by science.

Here read about her and look into her eyes, and tell me this girl is not an angel, read all of the site.


www.stgemma.com...

please I beg of you to read it

peace.

Originally posted by JesusisTruth
Just asking her for prayers as our spiritual mother, as Jesus wants mary to become every christians mother spiritually as he said to john at the cross. Behold thy mother ect...

Shes your mother and is full of grace.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but is it really necessary to make statues and idols of Mary? Praying to a statue of Mary or any other saint is the exact definition of idol worship. Giving meaning to a statue that has no meaning.

[edit on 8/25/2007 by TheB1ueSoldier]

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier

Originally posted by JesusisTruth
Just asking her for prayers as our spiritual mother, as Jesus wants mary to become every christians mother spiritually as he said to john at the cross. Behold thy mother ect...

Shes your mother and is full of grace.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but is it really necessary to make statues and idols of Mary? Praying to a statue of Mary or any other saint is the exact definition of idol worship. Giving meaning to a statue that has no meaning.

[edit on 8/25/2007 by TheB1ueSoldier]

Exactly. If you feel that in order to open a connection to God, you need a picture or statue, you need to re-evaluate your situation.

Sorry, double post.

Frontkjemper

[edit on 26-8-2007 by Frontkjemper]

Wow, whats up with this thread? This is truly ignorance.

The only, ONLY reason why you say we worship idols is because you read ONE sentance from the bible and then assume that we are worshipping idols because we have pictures of mother Mary, Jesus Christ or whatever.

You haven´t studied anything, you just pulled some crap from your *** and posed it as fact. Ignorance at it´s finest!

ATS´s motto is "Deny Ignorance" not "Embrace Ignorance."

Peace out
Frontkjemper

Originally posted by JesusisTruth

Now the hail mary is in Luke.

" Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women and blesssed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus "


This is the first part of the hail mary.

every part of that is in Luke.

The second part is.


" Holy mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death "

Yes, the 1st part is in the bible. The 2nd part is not and is an adomination.

Much of Catholicism is made up, just like the 2nd verse of the Rosary.

Jesus said "No one cometh unto the father but by ME" Not Mary, not some Catholic ordained Saint.

catholic beliefs are just as scripturally sound as non-catholic beliefs within christianity. the only difference is that they actually take an educated theological approach to the whole thing...


the only reason people harp on the catholic church like this is because it's the largest religious organization on the planet

Originally posted by Frontkjemper
Wow, whats up with this thread? This is truly ignorance.

The only, ONLY reason why you say we worship idols is because you read ONE sentance from the bible and then assume that we are worshipping idols because we have pictures of mother Mary, Jesus Christ or whatever.

You haven´t studied anything, you just pulled some crap from your *** and posed it as fact. Ignorance at it´s finest!

You know... usually when somebody makes an argument, they have evidence and facts to back it up. But in this case, you're just making stupid assumptions about me and ranting about how you're right and I'm wrong. Well, how about telling me why?

idol worship
noun
the worship of idols; the worship of images that are not God [syn: idolatry]
- dictionary.com

defined as worship of a cult image, idea or object, as opposed to the worship of a God.
- wikipedia.com

Sounds like idolatry to me... but my mind is always open. Your argument?

reply to post by TheB1ueSoldier


you make a msitake... the catholics don't WORSHIP mary nor do they worship the images. they worship god via the images and they hold reverance for mary and the saints. it's not idolatry if you're setting them up as an example of how to be as close to living like jesus as humanly possible.

reply to post by JesusisTruth


It is not the making of images or drawing images. An idol is anything that you put before God. I have talked to people that used to be Catholic and they do feel that the church is more glorified in itself then in Jesus. The way the priest has to tell you what to do to be forgiven for your sins is something that is not right and if you read the bible you cannot say it is. Priest are to be teachers and lead the people of God they are not given the authority of sins. Jesus was given this and only through him will we be saved.

I have also noticed that catholics seem to pray to Mary more then they pray to Jesus Himself. This is not the people fault but it is their leaders fault.

Thats why I do not believe in having images of Jesus in my house. It is human nature to need something to look at. And this is what we have come up with. This is another reason why I believe God mad the pillar of fire and pillar of cloud. People need to see. This also why jesus performed many wonders other wise people would not have believed him.
When you start to pray in front of a image you become attached to that image and eventually you cannot pray without that image. This is wrong.

Not all Catholics are this way so it is wrong to put all in one category. I believe there should not be any Catholics, Baptist or anything like that for we are all Gods children.

Also I have a Catholic friend that feels he truly cannot be forgiven for his sins unless he confesses them to the priest. This is very wrong and the priest need to get this out of peoples heads. The way many priest are today is the same way they were during the times of jesus. Jesus told them that they did not know God. They only knew themselves.

The main problems with Catholic is that they put the power of forgiveness in the priests hands.( Once again let me state that I am not talking to all catholics.)

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[edit on 27-8-2007 by Gemwolf]

The second part of the hail Mary is just asking her for prayers, and thats all it is, any soul can see this.

The catholic church exusted 1500 years before protestantism which is the revolt I believe is predicted in Timothy to take fpart first.

Catholic means universal.

Madness is correct about holding them in high steem.

You see you have to understand the whole humility part about it. God is a family man. He uses his family for many reasons, he wants them to be honored greatly.

But all the saints know and believe in true humility, that is they are nothing without God, Mary is nothing without God, but his grace alone, and all the saints know this.


God commanded statues to be placed in the temple of Cherubim.

He also told moses to do this.


Numbers 21:8

" Make thee a Fiery serpent, and set (it) upon a pole, and whoever is bitten, he shall look upon it and shall be healed. "

This is god talking.

So obviously he uses certain relics for a reason.

We do not pray to the statue, its a peice of wood. We pray at the foot of the alter. Whoever believes a statue is a God is not Catholic.


The preist have power to forgive sins. After Christ arose, he told the apostles whos sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them, and whos sins you shall retain they are retained.


why did he command them to forgive sins and retain?

He gave them the power to loose and bind on earth as well.


Now, we go to mary to go to Jesus, because he listens to everything Mary says, as our mother we go to her.


If nobody goes to the father through Christ, likewise nobody goes to Christ through Mary.

Mary said confession is like a telephone, his representitives, he speaks through the preist, and when we speak to the preist we speak to Gods representitive.


This has existed 1500 years before the protest ant revolt took place, now which 3000 different church exist, yet the catholic church is still the same as always.

One catholic apostilic church.

Before 1500 nothing but preist romed the earth forgiving sins. obviously why would Christ wait 1500 years to make a revolt and deny a church that existed since him?


Its the true bride of Christ, you will see after death.


God bless, peace.

OH SNAP!

OP - this is really too good.

Hand me another cartoon missive!

This is really TOO funny.

As the proverbial "bad Catholic", even I don't worship idols.

Have you ever attended a Mass? Seriously, the whole point of Christianity is to be a bit more civil and nonjudgemental in our dealings with other people, not a game of oneupmanship and "my people are more righteous than your people."

Backstabbing isn't becoming of any religion, and to be honest - this old game of "Catholics worship Idols and Mary" is getting a bit old.

Just kick back, drink some grape juice, eat some french bread and think about how nice a guy was God since he didn't smite you, you rebellious little Prodestant, you!



(* in no way, shape or form take my statements to be those of the Catholic Church itself.)

[edit on 28-8-2007 by GENERAL EYES]

Originally posted by JesusisTruth

The second part of the hail Mary is just asking her for prayers, and thats all it is, any soul can see this.

The catholic church exusted 1500 years before protestantism which is the revolt I believe is predicted in Timothy to take fpart first.

Catholic means universal.

Madness is correct about holding them in high steem.

You see you have to understand the whole humility part about it. God is a family man. He uses his family for many reasons, he wants them to be honored greatly.

But all the saints know and believe in true humility, that is they are nothing without God, Mary is nothing without God, but his grace alone, and all the saints know this.


God commanded statues to be placed in the temple of Cherubim.

He also told moses to do this.


Numbers 21:8

" Make thee a Fiery serpent, and set (it) upon a pole, and whoever is bitten, he shall look upon it and shall be healed. "

This is god talking.

So obviously he uses certain relics for a reason.

We do not pray to the statue, its a peice of wood. We pray at the foot of the alter. Whoever believes a statue is a God is not Catholic.


The preist have power to forgive sins. After Christ arose, he told the apostles whos sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them, and whos sins you shall retain they are retained.


why did he command them to forgive sins and retain?

He gave them the power to loose and bind on earth as well.


Now, we go to mary to go to Jesus, because he listens to everything Mary says, as our mother we go to her.


If nobody goes to the father through Christ, likewise nobody goes to Christ through Mary.

Mary said confession is like a telephone, his representitives, he speaks through the preist, and when we speak to the preist we speak to Gods representitive.


This has existed 1500 years before the protest ant revolt took place, now which 3000 different church exist, yet the catholic church is still the same as always.

One catholic apostilic church.

Before 1500 nothing but preist romed the earth forgiving sins. obviously why would Christ wait 1500 years to make a revolt and deny a church that existed since him?


Its the true bride of Christ, you will see after death.


God bless, peace.

Yes Jesus does tell them to forgive sins. They actually walked with Jesus and I will have to look further into this,but I dont think it was meant that they had the power to take away peoples sins. I also would like to see where you found the scripture that says mary is the way to Jesus, because I do not believe this is true. Jesus did not say this. You have some kind of point in the priest,but Jesus did not say this.

Jesus said that he was the only way, all men are saved through him. Not all men are saved through his apostles. He gave the apostles many powers and gifts through him, but it was to them not to the priests that say they have the power now. Catholic priest have way to much so called power when. They really have just as much as any other priest.

They also hold the pope up like he is a God bowing at his feet. And basically what ever he says goes. This is totally wrong, and if you follow the bible "man" should not be placed that high.