The Conspiratorial History of the Modern World and the Illuminati

History

Official, documented history states that the MODERN, meddling and conspiring Illuminati order was founded in 1770, or 1776, depending on the Interpretation, by Former Jesuit Preist and Bavarian Professor Adam Weishaupt. However, there have been organisations calling themselves the Illuminati for many millenia. The first were from ancient egypt (the origin of the illuminati and Illuminized freemasonry's symbol of the Eye above a Pyramid perhaps?), and were schools of priests dedicated to teaching secret knowledge, and reaching a higher spiritual plain. As time progressed, the teachings of the Illuminati spread to many secular gnostic and spiritual organisations around the world. Illuminati became a loose term for people with higher spiritual knowledge, and spawned many societies. The Hashashim (Assasins) in the east, the Priory of Sion, the Rosicrucians and perhaps the Masons all have roots from these orders. However, in 1770 or 1776, Adam Weishaupt created his illuminati for a far more sinister purpose than spreading secret knowledge. However, his new order definately had links to a Gnostic and Mystical past. He supposedly knew Saint Germain, the Alchemist and mystic, was a member of a society of 'wizards' and had toured egypt and the east. His order contained symbols of witchcraft, mysticism and alchemy.

But what was this sinister purpose I speak of? The total destruction of all established governments and religions, and a replacement with a New World Order and Religion of course! His society was popular in Germany, and it rapidly spread through europe like wildfire. Its structure was like a more secret form of the Masons. But instead of individuals joining the order, it was based on the membership of entire families, and the oath bound that familly, and all its descendants to the order forever, in return for increased social status and influence. In that way, the Order was guaranteed growth of membership and influence over time, as well as positions of government when the New World Order came.

The Illuminati's first kill was France. In 1789 (just 13 years after the illumianti's foundation), stirred up by popular clubs such as the Jacobins and the Cordelliers (which were of course heavily influenced by the illuminati and illuminized freemasonry, that is, freemasonry which has a heavy membership of Illuminati members), the Sans Culottes of Paris (urban peasants) took control of the city, and the absolute power of King Louis XVI was ended. He was executed in January 1793 after a failed Constitutional Monarchy. In the following year or so, the Illuminati tried their proposed government of the New World Order on the people of France. It works a bit like this: there appears to be a democratic institution running the country, when infact a small government agency, a small group of men, infact hold a highly centralized position of power, and run the country by terror and violence, and try to impose a new religion and way of thinking on its people. In the case of revolutionary france, the apparently democratic instituition was the Convention, the small government Agency the Comittee of Public Safety, the new religion was the Festival of Reason and the Cult of the Supreme Being (a non christian, yet non athaeistic religion whose symbol was the all seeing eye of the illuminati), and the way of thinking was the Decree of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity. This was imposed with Terror, violence, and the deaths of more than a million people. This was the so called Reign of Terror. The illuminati perpetuated a war with France against the other nations in europe which aimed to both give war powers to the Committe of Public Safety and spread this new order across europe. However, this order collapsed as events escaped the Illuminati's control. Governments in europe had discovered the Illuminati, and realised how dangerous it was, and many countries banned the organisation. The Illuminati was weakened, and this weakening caused them to scale down their operations, and create a traditional one man dictatorship in France in the form of Napoleon Boneparte. The plan was that through him, they could wipe out the governments which tried to ban them before they caused too much damage. But it was too late, Napoleon was defeated, France returned to Monarchy, and the illuminati went underground.

They concentrated then, no longer able to directly influence events, on infecting Masonic Lodges and other clubs and societies, a process which would take many decades to produce any positive results. However, by the turn of the 19th to the 20th century, they had become a powerful presence within the Masons, effectively becoming a secret society within a secret society, like a deamon posessing a soul. During this period, they had created Communism, a rehashing of their ideas of 'Liberty, Equality and Fraternity' and their proposed government of the world, and Karl Marx, a member of the Illuminati was given credit for it. It was spread through workers clubs (yes, indeed influenced by the Illuminati). All they needed to make it happen was instabilty, and so the first world war was started. A terrorist group, the Black Hand Gang, host of the illuminati parasite, was made tom assassinate Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand in Serbia, and so began the first world war. This led to the formation of the first communist republic in Russia, and paved the way for yet more instability, which led directly to the second world war. Adolf Hitler was a pupil and influenced heavily by the Thule society, a creation of the Illuminati with the soul intention of agitating nationalist feelings in Germany, leading to its re-arming and of course, the second world war, the result of which was heavy gains for the communists in eastern europe, and the grounds for a New Order in Europe.

The USA had always been the slave of the Masons. Most of the founding fathers were high degree masons, and most presidents, senators and cabinet members have been members. As the Illuminati acquired control over the masons, therefore they acquired control over America, so that by the first world war, they could dictate foreign policy, and ensure an allied victory. As was the case with the Second World War. This allowed the formation of the United Nations, the beginnings of their new world government. By the end of that conflict, the Illuminati had a new strategy. By making two opposing power blocks, which they had done, they could create tensions which would make elements within the two blocks closer. Thus, on one side, we had Nato and the EU (which at this very moment proposes to unite all of europe into 1 expanding superstate, which I'm sure will one day absorb the entirity of europe under one government, and be the inspiration for similar organisations world wide) and on the other, Comecon and the Eastern Block. By the 1980's he Illuminati, with their experiment in Russia could see that communism was not effectively keeping the human will and spirit under its control. They saw that the best method was fooling people into believing they had to right to elect their government, and could see also how sucessful their programmes in the West were. So they allowed the Eastern Block to Collapse, and created a new threat to divide and unite the world once more. That is Terrorism.

By doing this, they are killing two birds with one stone: They are creating the perfect excuse for the clamping down of civil liberties in America and Europe and creating governmental dictatorships (Emergency Powers act in the EU and Britain, the patriot act in America) as well, they are beginning the process of 'westernization' in the Middle East, invading nations opposed to their New World Order, and beginning the New Empire of the Illuminati.

The Future

If the illuminati get their way, and things continue the way they are going, I suspect that the following events will happen.

There will be terrorist acts in the USA, Britain and Europe, leading to almost dictatorial powers given to their leaders.

The USA and its allies will invade more countries in the middle east as a result.

Similar organisations to the EU will spring up in North and South America, South East Asia and Africa (this is already being talked about in these regions). They will later unite to form some sort of an Ultra Union (a policy of the UN), absorbing all the other nations left over. The UN will be its Executive branch, and the Regional Unions it's federal, local administrative and 'democratic' branches. The leaders of the nations will form some sort of 'senate' or 'parliament'.

Then, with the world united (I am talking about a 50 year or so time scale here) a dictator will come to power over the system, leading to massive purges of populations and opression, ensuring that his dynasty will last forever. This dictator will be one of the Illuminati, and his ministers and aids as well. All positions of power will be given to its members, and that way, the Illuminati's mission of complete world domination will be achieved. They will overturn existing institutions, and create their new religion. They will proclaim themselves masters of the world.

Evidence

Many assumptions have been made to bridge the gaps, but most of the above can be backed up with historical information. There is too much evidence to list: quotes from Adam Weishaupt, testements from insiders etc. From the 18th Century alone, there is a whole body of information about the Illuminati and their involvement in the French Revolution in the French National archives and in the hands of private individuals. The fact that secret societies such as 'illuminized freemasonry' were involved in the French Revolution can be found in any good textbook on the subject. Some modern masonic lodges almost openly proclaim their links to the Illuminati, with their symbols, protocols and rituals matching those recorded of the Bavarian Illuminati when they were a popular 'club' in the 1780's and 90's.

A hefty report compiled by the Bavarian government after the persecution of the Illuminati in the late 1790's and early 1800's providing yet further evidence.

Moving on, it is also a historical fact that Karl Marx was a member of a society called the Illuminati, but it is not readily quoted by historians, as it is seen as 'irrelivant'.
The proclaimation calling for the end of all established governments and religions and the protocols the subsequent Illuminati Government can be found in the so called 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.' This document was almost certainly doctored by a Professor Nilus on the late 1800's, who wanted to bring to the attention of the Russian goverment the fact that there was an international conspiracy of epic proportions. How he acquired it is unknown, however, it was not taken seriously as was, so he changed it to frame jews, the Elders of Zion. The original copy, which is in the archives British Museum (incidentally, it is this copy which is assumed to be a forgery by most historians, even though it dates to about 1810), is called 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Illuminati'. It is some sort of proof that there was a conspiracy.

It was this falsely edited document which ironically partially led Hitler to believe so strongly that Jews were plotting the end of Western Ayrian values, and led to the deaths of more than 20 million innocent people in the gas chambers. Of course there is some insite on my part, making links, and observing patterns, but this is the case with all historians, and all aspects of history.

Originally posted by lordlefty
The Hashashim (Assasins) in the east,

Did you mean to say The Hassassin? Which means followers of the Hashish The root word for Assassin

And may I ask where you got this info.

Can you provide links?

Or is it a cumulation of several different sources put to together.

Thanks

Most of my info comes from books by respected researchers such as Jim Marrs, Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln.

According to my sources, the spelling of the original secret society was Hashashim, which became corrupted to Assassin, perhaps with Hassassin as an intermediate corruption (?).

Originally posted by lordlefty
Most of my info comes from books by respected researchers such as Jim Marrs, Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln.

According to my sources, the spelling of the original secret society was Hashashim, which became corrupted to Assassin, perhaps with Hassassin as an intermediate corruption (?).

Hmmmm.

So far this is what I have found

"The Case of the Unacknowledged Miniature

To illustrate a review of two books on terrorism, The Globe and Mail (Toronto) of 16 February 2002 (pp. D2-D3) printed a miniature (available in the print version of this Newsletter) over the following caption: �Medieval assassins (from the Arabic �hashashim�) being offered drugged wine during their initiation into a terror cult.� The miniature proper is preceded by three lines of text: �Et par ceste maniere faisoit le viel [the Old Man of the Mountain] occiere trestous ceulx que il leur coman / doit. Et pour la tresgrant doubte que les seigneurs avoient de luy, il lui ren / doient treu pour avoir paix a luy et amistance[?].�
Regrettably, requests for source information have remained unanswered. If you know this miniature, or the manuscripts of the French translation of Marco Polo�s travels, or the reviewed book(s) from which it may have been copied, please contact H. Runte ([email protected]) URGENTLY. The books in question are: How Did This Happen? Terrorism and the New War, eds. James F. Hoge, Jr. and Gideon Rose, and The Lessons of Terror by Caleb Carr.

On the night before they went out on a suicide mission to kill someone, the Assassins, the 12-th century cult of holy warrior hit men, were given a taste of the Paradise that awaited. They smoked hashish (the word assassin derives from hashashin, users of hashish) and read in the Quran about the sensual rewards of martyrdom:
Spend eternity in gardens of tranquillity.
Youths of never-ending bloom will pass around to them decanters, beakers full of sparkling wine...
And suck fruits as they fancy.
Bird meat as they relish.
And companions with big beautiful eyes
Like pearls within their shells...


I guess the Templars would be approximately the same as the Chinese Shaolin, warrior-monks, or the Hashashim of the Islam world (with whom the
Templars are rumored to have had dealings with during the Crusades.). But you are saying that there are specifically Orders of Knights within kingdoms. I thought so, but I wasn't sure. Are they Orders in which one must be initiated into by the King or "Grand Master" of the Order, then?
Or do different Orders have different requirements?



Islam was fragmented into different sects that claimed the only "true" interpretation.
Not that different from other religions in that regard.

As for Wahhabis, they are, of course, most righteous ones, in their own view.

OBL and his Jihadi brand is, on the other hand, not a pure Wahhabi creed, there are elements of Hassassin ideology in his belief system as well as some mystical elements that are reminiscent of kabbalistic tradition, they were also part of Hassassin philosophy.


The rest is mostly about RPG's and a couple of emails with that name.

So it appears that different people use both words for the same meaning. Interesting

The Priory of Sion almost certainly had dealings with the Hashashim, and therefore the Knight's Templar also had dealings with them, seeing as they shared a grand master at the time. However, the Hashashim worked against the infidel kingdom in Palestine whilst the Knight's Templar's official line was that they were knights on the side of the crusades. It seems to be typical secret society's action, having influences on both sides of a conflict. The Hashashim, early Masons, the Templars and other early Medieval secret societies shared many rituals and symbols, suggesting a link, which leads me to the conclusion that the Hashashim were the middle eastern wing of some larger conspiracy.

However, there have been organisations calling themselves the Illuminati for many millenia.

Yes, exactly. "Calling themselves". Including Weishaupt's failed little club.

The first were from ancient egypt (the origin of the illuminati and Illuminized freemasonry's symbol of the Eye above a Pyramid perhaps?), and were schools of priests dedicated to teaching secret knowledge, and reaching a higher spiritual plain.

The eye in the pyramid symbol on the Great Seal and the Egyptian pyramids have a common origin, but one does not follow from the other in this case. This is the logical fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc" or "after this, therefore because of this". The pyramid is, quite simply, the simplest structure that can be built to last. The simplest 3 dimensional object that can exist is the tetrahedron, but there's a reason you don't see tetrahedra-shaped buildings. They have no structural integrity. They may in the future, with more efficient building materials, but they don't now and didn't then. Pyramids in Egypt were ideally suited to sustain constant sand erosion. It's a credit to Imhotep that he figured out the precisely correct angle (admittedly, through trial and error, more than derivation) that would allow the structures to survive the ages and not collapse internally from weight nor act as a wall to blasting sand.

The pyramid of the Great Seal is taken because it begins at the ground as a broad surface and terminates at a pointed apex. In short, because it is a 3 dimensional triangle. The triangle always makes a good addition to an official symbol. It suggests that although one's power base is broad, leadership is rarified and undisputed. The triangle is anthropomorphic to society itself.

And, to reply to the rest of what I chose to include in that quote: If you want to keep a secret, the absolute worst thing you can do is start opening schools that teach them. The Church of Scientology is modern proof of that. They now have to suffer considerable embarrassment because their most secret (and not so coincidentally most ridiculous) texts have been exposed and are not easily available to anyone looking for a laugh over the Internet. It's no wonder they're so partial to smear tactics and lawsuits. It's just deplorable that they're so bad at them.

The Hashashim (Assasins) in the east, the Priory of Sion, the Rosicrucians and perhaps the Masons all have roots from these orders.

You mean, of course, the Priory of Zion. That's the proper translation for the French "PRIEUR� DE SION".

SION: From WordNet
Definition:
[n] an imaginary place considered to be perfect or ideal
[n] Jewish republic in southwestern Asia at eastern end of Mediterranean; formerly part of Palestine
[n] originally a stronghold captured by David (the 2nd king of the Israelites); above it was built a temple and later the name extended to the whole hill; finally it became a synonym for the city of Jerusalem; "the inhabitants of Jerusalem are personified as `the daughter of Zion'"

Synonyms: Israel, State of Israel, Utopia, Yisrael, Zion

To give a brief summary of the structure and function of the Priory of Zion for those who don't already know, it is so named because it charges itself with protecting the alleged physical remains of Joshua of Nazareth, whom you probably know better as Jesus Christ. His tomb is allegedly in the south of France, of all places, in or near a village by the name of Rennes-le-Chateau, and was at least once painted by artist Nicholas Poussin in his famous "Et in Arcadia Ego". The Vatican is implicated because of the involvement of a priest who was local to that area, a man by the name of B�renger Sauni�re. In short, a lot of intriguing stuff happened. I *did* say this was supposed to be a brief summary.

But what was this sinister purpose I speak of? The total destruction of all established governments and religions, and a replacement with a New World Order and Religion of course!

Yes, Weishaupt had lofty goals. Pure fantasy that he would ever be in a position to effect such a thing. The Illuminati, however, does not have as its goal a thing that the general population would largely object to. And certainly not major upheaval. At least not more than is required to achieve the goal. And that goal is simply putting a single individual in such a position to enforce the collective will of all humanity. Rather like the Platonic philosopher-king. Except replace "not wanting" the power with "not knowing" about the power. It's really quite difficult to put a person in a position where they can both do good and not realize what they're doing, for the most part. I've elaborated all this elsewhere; it would be redundant and pointless of me to repeat it here.

The rest of this person's post is a very interesting hypothetical treatise, but it is ultimately hypothetical. But interesting. And certainly entertaining.

Did you mean to say The Hassassin? Which means followers of the Hashish The root word for Assassin

As a pure point of fact, you're both wrong. This is another example of "post hoc ergo propter hoc". Both "assassin" and "hashish" derive from a common source, which is the name of the founder of this misnamed order, al-Hasan ibn-al-Sabbah, a man who claimed descent from the Himyarite kings of South Arabia. I should emphasize the word "claimed" in the previous sentence. His group was used mainly as a vehicle of revenge for killing those who denied his claimed descent. His order was based in the fortress of Alamut, north-west of Qazwin, between the shores of the Caspian and the Persian highlands. This "eagle's nest" as the name probably means, gave Hasan and his successors a central stronghold of primary importance. Its possession was the first historical fact in the life of the new order.

But that's all beside the point. The name. The question is the name of the order.

The only surviving account of the formal name of this group comes from Marco Polo, in fact.

To quote Marco Polo:

"Now no man was allowed to enter the Garden save those whom he intended to be his Ashishin. There was a fortress at the entrance to the Garden, strong enough to resist all the world..." etc etc.

So I don't know who your "sources" are, lordlefty, but they have neither read Marco Polo nor speak Arabic.

And NetStorm, I don't know where that paste of yours comes from (a Toronto newspaper or something?) but if it makes you feel better, you can go ahead and contact Mr. H. Runte and explain his mistake. I have no intention of doing so.

As for Wahhabis, they are, of course, most righteous ones, in their own view.

OBL and his Jihadi brand is, on the other hand, not a pure Wahhabi creed, there are elements of Hassassin ideology in his belief system as well as some mystical elements that are reminiscent of kabbalistic tradition, they were also part of Hassassin philosophy.

I assume that you're talking about Osama bin Laden here. Osama is not a Wahabbi. The Wahabbis disown him and say he is a Qutbee. The Qutbees say that there's no such thing as Qutbees and say he is a Wahabbi because they hate the Wahabbis. In either case, Osama has nothing to do with "Hassassin ideology", since that would be based around the use of narcotics that are expressly forbidden by the Qur'an. And Osama, the Wahabbis, and the Qutbees all ban such practices as heresy. But it is a very entertaining claim you make. Just not a valid one.

The Priory of Sion almost certainly had dealings with the Hashashim, and therefore the Knight's Templar also had dealings with them, seeing as they shared a grand master at the time.

Blah. I've already given a short history of the Knights Templar in another thread. I won't bother here. But the claim isn't true. Although it is generally a safe thing to claim, since both the Priory of Zion and the Knights Templar are French. I'm sure many of the modern titleholders for both organizations coincide, but "at the time" they didn't. The Templars were Knights, and thus would be inherently averse to hiding their names and anonymously guarding a chunk of rock that has no more than symbolic value to anyone. Knights maintain a style and dignity befitting a knight. Their deeds are done in their own names, because their name is the mark of their integrity. Etc, etc. The reasons it cannot be are legion. Boring, really. Most secrets turn out to be boring after you learn them, mainly because the time period in which one didn't know gave them ample time to inflate the imaginary bravado, so to speak.

I think I will settle for what your sig says

"signature
Everything I say is a lie, a half-truth, or an exercise in sophistry."


But...
here's where you found your info
www.alamut.com...

Or a good copy and paste of as you like to say

I was making reference to, the word "Assasin", DERIVING from �hashashim�

So if you would have read the whole thing, you would have found
"Below the grand master stood the grand priors, each in charge of a particular district. After these came the ordinary propagandists. The lowest degree of the order comprised the "fida'is", who stood ready to execute whatever orders the grand master issued. A graphic, though late and secondhand, description of the method by which the master of Alamut is said to have hypnotized his "self-sacrificing ones" with the use of hashish has come down to us from Marco Polo, who passed in that neighborhood in 1271 or 1272."

So you simply "said we were right" by including the rest of the "story" IE the guy that made the group. I personally didn;t care about the guy who made the group, I was talking about the name Assasin.
As for the rest, of what you "didn't like" 99% of what you read, are INTERPERTATIONS by different people. If we had a first hand account, then these boards would not exist.


But this, that you write
"The Templars were Knights, and thus would be inherently averse to hiding their names and anonymously guarding a chunk of rock that has no more than symbolic value to anyone"

This is called faith..guarding that "chunk of rock" (I assume you mean Mary Magdalene or perhaps even Jesus..)
It's faith in thier belief, and no matter how "mundane" they would probably carry it out until the day they die....
We do it..The Honor Guard...rain snow..ice ..wind, they are guarding that "chunk of rock"






[Edited on 24-2-2004 by NetStorm]

Everything happens for a reason. The only way to destroy something is to meet it at the source of it's power - the mind (as well as the money). The only way something like this could be stopped from happening is to start your own elite group of "manipulators" to combat them head. Unfortunately, they already have a head start many hundreds of years ahead.
Instead of talking about what is to occur, why don't you do something to prevent it? I admire those haitians for getting the courage to fight against their atrocious government/dictator. I think he was placed their by the "shadow" government to begin with - why else did the US help put him back into power the first time? Haitia isn't the greatest country, but at least they know how to start a group effort to battle a common evil. We don't have anything like that here in America anymore. There are too many people with differing views and opinions - prejudice this, racist that. All this works to the benefit of the Illuminati (if they still call themselves that).
Everyone prefers to walk blindfolded into the oncoming traffic. As long as people have their MTV, movies, video games, pornography, MONEY, conspiracies, couches, everything is A-OK. We'll see the nice planned terrorist attacks, fake wars, and everyone will be horrified for 60 seconds - then its back to the daily/yearly routine, everything else a distant memory of yesterday/year.
Even as I type this load of what could possibly be skewed as BS, I am reminded that I am also a hypocrite, just like everyone else. I could be out doing something important instead of sitting here reading this stuff on ATS and typing back. Then hit hits me. How could one go up against an organization with trillions of dollars in assets and already controls many of the worlds armies, as well as governments? You really can't. Not unless everyone at once took off the blindfold and realized that we aren't different; that religion is used as a means to control the mind, the wallet, and separate us (if you let it); and that there is nothing stronger than people united.

How does one make the blind see... or care?

Does anyone here even know what Illuminati means? When you get to know what to illuminate means, most of you will understand that it is highly possible that the conspiracy theory about this ever ellusive alledged, but never prooven secret Illuminati is maybe the greatest conspiracy of them all. Allthough there may be some truths to this whole thing of course, since we have the old saying "no smoke without a fire".

Illumination is nothing but the old technique used by artists throughout time to add gold to their paintings and art. For instance, a normal Catholic icon is an illuminated idol. And the chief of the Illuminati should then be the person behind the idol of Jesus. Emperor Clovis I. However, he may only be the real satans' beast of burden. These satans live today, and you can bet your arse most of them own stuff like TV, entertainment, media, phone, isp, You, your money, your hearts and minds and limited knowledge, bad analysis I guess, no matter how you put it. It would be to make an image of an illusion. I doubt you'd find many politicans among them.

I have a theory that the illuminated icons used for worship around Christendom is nothing but out of time attempts at making TVs. A simple and lying excuse for the Church to make people believe that they lived in the time the Spirit witnessed about. In that time, which is now, everyone has luminous housgods which tell them everything they have to know to stay safe and get education and news. The church, unable to make tellies, then crafted idols of angels, gods, priests, popes, monks, nuns, kings and saints and God knows what not, filled the images with arcane and sophiticated symbology, added gold for light so they would shine and told them to keep them for safety, refering to the their hidden manna, the Black Death, also known as Ergotism, a disease you get if you have eaten too much contaminated bread. The fongus that contaminates rye esp. in this way, is the same fongus they isolated '___' from, and ergot itself is used against diseases like migrene etc. in much smaller and controlled doses of course.

The golems of the Jews were the exact same thing, I believe, only they simulated cloning. Kabbalah looks like an early attempt at discribing a bunch of sciences we think was made just now. For that matter, they may even have made it. I just can't wait for the day the coorp Statan inc. or whatever makes a pityful fuse between a bear with different cat features above which ends in a grotesque sevenheaded squidlike lionheads with some guy who has dressed up like Jesus throws the bugger into a volcanoe.

TV replacements kept to be in with the posse showing you keep up with the future, and show that Your particular group were the ones who had the real stuff. It's all about TV it seems. It's the most horrible thing Man has ever created. How it heats up the athmosphere so the world turn crazy, how it manipulates humanity so THEY turn crazy, and how it has been perhaps THE most destructive creation Man has ever made. So effective and destructive I think, that it has to have it's origin in the hottest part of Helvete the day God counts his "beeds" for the last time and cuts his trees before he makes it all anew. Wrapped in a box. The second Earth, which is the round one we have now, and the new third Earth, wrapped in a box. So huge you can land on it in zero gravity and so huge that it seems to stop Earth's rotation making a final end to all calendars made of men and vain attempts at keeping track of time and control it's outcome.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 25-2-2004 by Hamilton]

[Edited on 25-2-2004 by Hamilton]

[Edited on 25-2-2004 by Hamilton]

Originally posted by NetStorm

But this, that you write
"The Templars were Knights, and thus would be inherently averse to hiding their names and anonymously guarding a chunk of rock that has no more than symbolic value to anyone"

This is called faith..guarding that "chunk of rock" (I assume you mean Mary Magdalene or perhaps even Jesus..)
It's faith in thier belief, and no matter how "mundane" they would probably carry it out until the day they die....
We do it..The Honor Guard...rain snow..ice ..wind, they are guarding that "chunk of rock"

[Edited on 24-2-2004 by NetStorm]

By "chunk of rock", I thought he was referring to the Temple Mount. Didn't the Templars at the begining go to the Holy Land, look around the Temple Mount area, find "something" and immediately send for $$ and more people????

Originally posted by EmbryonicEssence
Everyone prefers to walk blindfolded into the oncoming traffic. As long as people have their MTV, movies, video games, pornography, MONEY, conspiracies, couches, everything is A-OK.

We'll see the nice planned terrorist attacks, fake wars, and everyone will be horrified for 60 seconds - then its back to the daily/yearly routine, everything else a distant memory of yesterday/year.
Even as I type this load of what could possibly be skewed as BS, I am reminded that I am also a hypocrite, just like everyone else. I could be out doing something important instead of sitting here reading this stuff on ATS and typing back. Then hit hits me. How could one go up against an organization with trillions of dollars in assets and already controls many of the worlds armies, as well as governments? You really can't. Not unless everyone at once took off the blindfold and realized that we aren't different; that religion is used as a means to control the mind, the wallet, and separate us (if you let it); and that there is nothing stronger than people united.

How does one make the blind see... or care?

You put that so well. I wonder what we can possibly to stem the tide. As my signature says, "an informed populace cannot be subjugated".
We all want to stay in our comfort zones, and enjoy our central air and CD players. I often wonder if the militia have the right idea, after all.
But then I think, spreading the truth is a much more proactive (God, I hate that word) way to make changes. After all, that is the way the early religions took the truth away from us in the first place!

Phybre404...

Yes, Weishaupt had lofty goals. Pure fantasy that he would ever be in a position to effect such a thing. The Illuminati, however, does not have as its goal a thing that the general population would largely object to. And certainly not major upheaval. At least not more than is required to achieve the goal. And that goal is simply putting a single individual in such a position to enforce the collective will of all humanity. Rather like the Platonic philosopher-king. Except replace "not wanting" the power with "not knowing" about the power. It's really quite difficult to put a person in a position where they can both do good and not realize what they're doing, for the most part. I've elaborated all this elsewhere; it would be redundant and pointless of me to repeat it here.

No offense, but what are you talking about? The Illuminati's self confessed goals are the upheaval of all established monarchies and governments (at the time, 1776), and a replacement with easy to control and to manipulate democracies and republics. Its already happened. I dont know why you are talking about Platonic kings.

Blah. I've already given a short history of the Knights Templar in another thread. I won't bother here. But the claim isn't true. Although it is generally a safe thing to claim, since both the Priory of Zion and the Knights Templar are French. I'm sure many of the modern titleholders for both organizations coincide, but "at the time" they didn't. The Templars were Knights, and thus would be inherently averse to hiding their names and anonymously guarding a chunk of rock that has no more than symbolic value to anyone. Knights maintain a style and dignity befitting a knight. Their deeds are done in their own names, because their name is the mark of their integrity. Etc, etc. The reasons it cannot be are legion. Boring, really. Most secrets turn out to be boring after you learn them, mainly because the time period in which one didn't know gave them ample time to inflate the imaginary bravado, so to speak.

Surely if you are such a knowledge on the subject, then you would know about the 'cutting of the elm' in 1187/1188. This was the ceremony in which the positions of grand master of the Knight's Templar and the Priory of Sion (I prefer to use the french version when using the proper noun) which were one and the same, divide. There is historical, documented evidence that this event occured, and that the Templars were some form of militant wing of the Priory of Sion. May I recommend a book called The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail to you?

I am no great expert on the Assassins, I only have the information which I have obtained from such pre-eminent authors as Jim Marrs, so I cannot argue with your analysis of them.

NetStorm, I'm amazed that you can tell me where I "find my info". That's a neat trick. You should go on tour and do that for money.

Oh yeah, and that's not where I got my "info". For one reason, because I've never seen that domain before. For another, because that URL you post isn't even routable with those parentheses.

Should I be surprised that you have found (presumably) some webpage that verifies what I said? That seems to be rather backwards logic. It's only truth if it's not widely circulated? As a rule, it's the other way around.

And I have read the original (Italian) text by Marco Polo, and I can translate Arabic. So, ball's in your court now, if you want to try to refute me again.

But, if it makes you feel better, you can accuse me of whatever you want. I'm not in the habit of denying allegations. And I'm certainly not going to get into an argument with someone who feels that their mental territory is threatened, and is trying to mount an ill-conceived defense.

lordlefty...

Yes, well. "The Illuminati's self confessed goals" can refer to the goals confessed by any organization calling themselves the Illuminati. Of which Weishaupt's was one. Not the first. Not one that still exists, for that matter. Definately the one that is the most studied. Definately the most popular among conspiracy theorists. Or do you prefer the euphemism "ignorance deniers" ?

The thing about names is that anyone can use them. And anyone can claim to have resurrected a dead organization. And anyone can confess any goal they want. So, as I said: Yes, Weishaupt had lofty goals. Pure fantasy that he would ever be in a position to effect such a thing.


Yes, I figured you were basing your posts on Holy Blood, Holy Grail. I'm flattered that you would recommend it to me. You seem like a nice person, so I don't really know how to tell you this.

I've conversed with Michael Baigent. I think I know something of his character and whether he's more interested in fact or fantasy. Regardless, I can say as fact (Without any evidence, of course. Nice paradox, neh?) that a great deal of what he put in that book is pure fabrication. And a lot more is speculation. And I think in most of the content, Baigent was just plain gullible enough to believe what random people (like Henry Lincoln) told him, without any evidence whatsoever. And he defers to mysterious documents that he also cannot verify the age or authorship of.

If you want the straight dope on what you're asking, I would recommend to you the content written by Tracy R. Twyman on the topic. In particular, an article entitled "A History of the Priory of Sion and Their Involvement with the Knights Templar". You shouldn't have much of a time finding it. Let me qualify that recommendation, however, to say that I don't necessarily recommend anything ELSE she has written. I can't vouch for her as an information source in general. Just on this matter.


And to clarify all the other above who didn't under stand a reference I made, the "chunk of rock" I was referring to was the tomb at Rennes-le-Chateau. The only reason the Priory ever existed.

And I really hope this won't devolve into a discussion about grail legends and royal bloodlines. That's all a bunch of hoohaa misdirection so people won't pay attention to what's really buried there. That revelation would be quite embarassing to quite a few people in the French government. I'm rather curious how long it will take before an American journalist or diplomat or something finds out. That'll be a week's worth of CNN coverage.

[Edited on 5-3-2004 by phybre404]

Originally posted by phybre404
And to clarify all the other above who didn't under stand a reference I made, the "chunk of rock" I was referring to was the tomb at Rennes-le-Chateau. The only reason the Priory ever existed.

And I really hope this won't devolve into a discussion about grail legends and royal bloodlines. That's all a bunch of hoohaa misdirection so people won't pay attention to what's really buried there. That revelation would be quite embarassing to quite a few people in the French government. I'm rather curious how long it will take before an American journalist or diplomat or something finds out. That'll be a week's worth of CNN coverage.

[Edited on 5-3-2004 by phybre404]

Thank yo for the "chunk of rock" clarification. World of difference between those two areas.

The fall of Czar Nicholas II in Russia ending a 300 year reign of family power was brought on by failures in World War I, shortages of food and fuel , and suspected foul play by Rasputian the Siberian medicine man helping the families sickly son. Hitler on the other hand had an absolute hatered of Communism and he had it's German followers sent to labor camps. Hitler did not endorse any organization that was not of The Nazi reigm. The false claims made in your article are not backed up with any factual research or literacy.

Originally posted by Hamilton
I just can't wait for the day the coorp Statan inc. or whatever makes a pityful fuse between a bear with different cat features above which ends in a grotesque sevenheaded squidlike lionheads with some guy who has dressed up like Jesus throws the bugger into a volcanoe.

On January 17th 2005, Directv is going to have this on pay per view and in September they will be spinning it off into an HBO television series with a different grotesque creature every week. BTW Ashton Kutcher is going to play Jesus.
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I just informed the Franken for senate campaign that I cannot continue to back his campaign as he is a supporter of Israel in it's campaign to defend itself against unarmed women and babies... further I researched the Straight Dope to see what these gurus had to say about the Protcols of Zion and was, actually, shocked to find out they have a hidden agenda as well. This is truly the end times. Peace, love, truth and mercy.