Mother Teresa was an Atheist?

As far as I am concerned, she kept doing what she did, even when she doubted god, to me, that makes her even more genuine. What I mean is she wasn't motivated perhaps to save her soul, or to look good in the eyes of god or Jesus, but did it because she genuinely wanted to help.
Methinks that if a person does good deeds in the belief they are saving their own souls, it is a selfish persuit.
I now have more respect for this woman as a result.

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Ah...my worthy adversary... And by "a few other things" I am guessing that you mean the tiny little detail of her being a practicing Catholic, who established an order of Nuns in order to carry on the work of Christ by showing mercy on the poorest and most neglected people of the world?

I cede your point that Atheist can do good works - if you cede mine that she should not be characterized as an Atheist merely because she had doubts.

Surely Atheists can promote and/or defend their beliefs in a manner other than conducting some sort of moral draft in which you try to claim notable persons for your own team.

That's all.

Im glad to hear Mother Theresa was a THINKER too. She wasnt atheist she probably just saw 'the bigger picture' like most religions need to do. As we update our computers, so do we need to update our brain software! lol.


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Really no surprise here.

Works cannot save your soul. Works cannot draw you close to God.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Really no surprise here.

Works cannot save your soul. Works cannot draw you close to God.

then why did jesus command people to go out and do good works?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Really no surprise here.

Works cannot save your soul. Works cannot draw you close to God.

then why did jesus command people to go out and do good works?

Can you produce that Biblical quote so I can give you a proper answer?

She is probably like me, I believe in a God but at the same time not believe
in following the pope, or bishops. Mother Theresa probably seen and felt the
corruption that is being done by every religion across the world.
So to me it is not surprising really, she helped out of the goodness of her heart
and not for the churches.

Sun, faith alone is just as worthless as works alone is... You have to have a combination of both.So, you're not going to try and spoon feed me that and make me believe it.

Any one can say, "I believe in and love God." Anyone can say that, but without the ACTIONS to prove it, your words are worthless in the eyes of God almighty...

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Sun, faith alone is just as worthless as works alone is... You have to have a combination of both.So, you're not going to try and spoon feed me that and make me believe it.

Spoon feed you what? I merely asked the man for a quote to back up his statement so I could give him a proper answer.

Didn't Jesus say "Faith without works is dead"? It doesn't make sense to me that if you belief in Jesus but treat others like trash, that you would be considered a Christian, or saved.

Originally posted by forestlady
Didn't Jesus say "Faith without works is dead"? It doesn't make sense to me that if you belief in Jesus but treat others like trash, that you would be considered a Christian, or saved.

Very true... However, people like Sun seem to think that as long as they pay a lip service and BELIEVE strong enough, they can do as they damn well please, and it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by forestlady
Didn't Jesus say "Faith without works is dead"? It doesn't make sense to me that if you belief in Jesus but treat others like trash, that you would be considered a Christian, or saved.

No, Jesus did not say that.

Sorry Alex but

and

and well I will get shouted at but this to me is THEE weirdest most out of this world thread to date on ATS well worth being nominated for points.

I was going to do a thread on Clinton being framed over lewinsky incident ( you know with the stain on the dress) but this tops that 10 out of 10.

A great find.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by forestlady
Didn't Jesus say "Faith without works is dead"? It doesn't make sense to me that if you belief in Jesus but treat others like trash, that you would be considered a Christian, or saved.

Very true... However, people like Sun seem to think that as long as they pay a lip service and BELIEVE strong enough, they can do as they damn well please, and it doesn't matter.

Your problem is you don't know exactly what Jesus said, nor what he is about. You are just a lost soul that acts on his blind opinions.

You think Jesus just stood around and turned the other cheek. There is a time for turning the other cheek and there is a time for saying "You brood of Vipers"

What was John the Baptist like?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by forestlady
Didn't Jesus say "Faith without works is dead"? It doesn't make sense to me that if you belief in Jesus but treat others like trash, that you would be considered a Christian, or saved.

Very true... However, people like Sun seem to think that as long as they pay a lip service and BELIEVE strong enough, they can do as they damn well please, and it doesn't matter.

Your problem is you don't know exactly what Jesus said, nor what he is about. You are just a lost soul that acts on his blind opinions.

You think Jesus just stood around and turned the other cheek. There is a time for turning the other cheek and there is a time for saying "You brood of Vipers"

What was John the Baptist like?

Sun Matrix, check out James 2:26 - "faith without works is dead"
www.topical-bible-studies.org...

It is thought that James was the brother of Jesus; I would assume that James' knows what his brother said. We don't know if Jesus said it or not, but it's right there in James. (KJV) One would assume that if you really knew what you're talking about, you would have told me, no, Jesus didn't say that, but James did.
As usual, YOU"RE the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't you know what is in your own Bible? Sheesh, I'm not even Christian and I found it in the Bible in 1 minute.

Jesus said this. God is this or that. The bible said this or that. Religious texts are just words written by men, and rewritten and rewritten until they suit those that wish to control the good masses of people.

If there was no religion or text would you know that difference between good and bad? I think most people do.

Look at all the arguments, wars, separations, judgments religion causes. Do you need religion to tell you how to live your life, act or how to behave?

Most religion and religious arguments are what is called circular argumentation, do any of you know what this is? Religious arguments never prove anything because they point to other religious passages and those passages point back to the original passages. Go Figure. en.wikipedia.org...

It's all about what is inside each and everyone of us and not the dogmas of religion. I think that is what Mother Teresa was probably thinking about.

Originally posted by forestlady

It is thought that James was the brother of Jesus; I would assume that James' knows what his brother said. We don't know if Jesus said it or not, but it's right there in James. (KJV) One would assume that if you really knew what you're talking about, you would have told me, no, Jesus didn't say that, but James did.
As usual, YOU"RE the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't you know what is in your own Bible? Sheesh, I'm not even Christian and I found it in the Bible in 1 minute.

So you conclude that I don't know what I'm talking about because I gave you the right answer????????? Jesus did not say that.

Just so you know a person is not saved by their works they are saved by faith in the Messiah that paid the price for their sin.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

True works done in secret are rewarded after death, but you are not saved by them. Works done in front of men are worthless, as you already have the reward.

Originally posted by Realtruth
Jesus said this. God is this or that. The bible said this or that. Religious texts are just words written by men, and rewritten and rewritten until they suit those that wish to control the good masses of people.

If there was no religion or text would you know that difference between good and bad? I think most people do.

Look at all the arguments, wars, separations, judgments religion causes. Do you need religion to tell you how to live your life, act or how to behave?

Most religion and religious arguments are what is called circular argumentation, do any of you know what this is? Religious arguments never prove anything because they point to other religious passages and those passages point back to the original passages. Go Figure. en.wikipedia.org...

It's all about what is inside each and everyone of us and not the dogmas of religion. I think that is what Mother Teresa was probably thinking about.

That deserves a reverberation sweet simple sound right reasoning.

Sun, judging by about 99.99999999999999999% of your posts, you have absolutely no room to speak about anyone being "lost." Remove the log from your eye before you try to remove the splinter from mine. That, my "friend," I guarante you is in the bible. Look it up sometime and apply it to yourself. Thank ya.

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