Bigfoot is out there???

just very curious-i have studied cryotzoology for a number of years-"How many people actually believe in bigfoot?"

yeah there are alot of good stories-but where is the proof.Its always -well i saw it run across the interstate and such.I would really like to hear some convincing sightings for once with photos ,a skull, a tooth --anything besides that old shakey fotage

just thought i would throw that out there.

i think this is in the wrong forum but whatever its not my job to point that out

i can't really form an opinion on his existence because i have no reason not to believe he exists.. i also haven't seen him with my own eyes so its hard to say ..but the stories i've heard and read are actually more convincing then most of the photographs and videos

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this is what im talking about-there are a bunch of good stories-and i have heard from many as to their activities tracking and hunting blah-blah---but where is one little tiny ,itty bitty-shred of evidence-besides grainy pics,and the classic we were camping in in idaho-blah blah-ran threw our camp blah -blah

the best pics i have ever seen are actually the skunk ape of the florida everglades

There is proof, somewhat anecdotal to be sure, but there is some scientific proof that an "unknown primate", or primate of "unknown type" exists. Look up Skookum Cast.

A healthy skepticism is warranted on many of the sighting, or alleged sightings, but taken as a whole...there is considerable smoke. The legends of bigfoot go back thousands of years here in North America, even further back in Asia. People are seeing and encountering something.

Personally? I do believe that there is a population worldwide of creatures that answer to the descriptor given to bigfoot, or Sasquatch. How large a population? Don't know, don't pretend to know...but it doesn't have to number in the millions to be a viable population either.

Small population. Inhabiting unsettled, and largely unvisited by man, areas of North America, and Asia, heck even Europe has unsettled, underpopulated areas. Wood wise, and wary of man and his weapons, add to that an unsettling level of intelligence, or cunning, and you've got the makings of a critter very elusive and hard to find, much less catch.

As I said, a healthy skepticism is warranted, but disbelief? Not so much.

[edit on 23-8-2007 by seagull]

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Hi. Sasquatch, or your equivalent bigfoot, does exist indeed. I saw the creature once and have been immersed in the search since. Been researching for the better part of 25 years now. In Canada, Manitoba holds second place to British Columbia in terms of sightings. Most of Manitoba is covered in Canadian granite shield, up the east side of Lake Winnipeg. It's an area where you could walk for weeks and end up at Hudson's Bay. There are no roads, no nothing (for 400 miles). But yes, he does exist. In mid July I received a report of a day time sighting at very close range. The guy was very credible. I have filed it on my site. I have to agree that many stories sound credible, but there are those that are not. Part of this line of work is learning to separate the so called wheat from the chaffe. Asking the same questions over and over (but worded differently each time) in an interview is one way to tell if someone is telling the truth. There is some psychology to an interview.

God im sick of people making thread titles like that when there asking the question, please refrain from making titles that seem like your stating a discovery or fact when in fact you are just asking if they are real ect.

And about your question I really dont see why its hard to accept that theres a 20 foot tall ape walking around, never have.

Even Australia has relative of bigfoot - called the 'Yowie' here. Seems to be concentrated in the heavily wooded valleys of the great dividing range and sightings/encounters are regularly reported as more people move into these previously wild areas. There's been lots of credible sightings of these invading properties at night scavenging for food and even taking livestock.

The aboriginals inhabited this place for at least 40000 years and their folklore is full of references to the creature known by names like yowie, dulagarl, thoolagarl, wawee, jurrawarra, noocoonah and tjangara with tales of battles between yowies and humans. They seem to be limited to throwing rocks etc and no evidence of use of fashioned weapons like spears.

Australia has no creatures like bears that could be mistaken for a large hairy apelike biped but no-one has ever announced the discovery of remains of one here which is an ongoing puzzle.

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One more thing to make a more solid case for the existence of sasquatch. There was a real ape that walked the planet and it was called 'Gigantopithecus blackie'. Check up on the name G.H.R. Von Koeingswa.

There are some really -great- BF stories out there.

When you hear a solid guy talk about seeing a shadow of a big hand silhouetted against the tarp of the tent, it's easy to believe.

It's not as easy to believe when you realize that how hard it'd be to hide a breeding population unless they were living underground, or had developed some kind of special ability.

It may be that some early stories, back before Columbus' time, among American Indian tribes involved real creatures.

Ask again when you're sitting in the deep Oregon forest at midnight and I know your answer.

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The native North Americans know something. Living next to a reserve, I have spoken to many elders. Many are eyewitnesses, but do not wish to take it farther. I have a plaster cast of a very large footprint, taken from the middle of nowhere. That just re-enforced my belief. Intelligence is a factor. If someone decided to hide in the bush for the rest of their life, they could do it, just like the Sasquatch.

Hi,

Got your U2U and yes, I've heard of the Bauman Incident from the 1800, and I've also visited Bobbie Short's site many times, but thanks for the heads up.

One of my favorite BF researchers is, of course, Autumn Williams, mainly due to her series on the old OLN channel "Mysterious Encounters". How I loved that show. As you may know she and her Mom/Sis encountered a BR in a cornfield as a child - I think that's how it goes. I find her utterly believable.

Another aspect of BF research is how people seem to be, uh...influenced by the sighting to either go the opposite direction (usually in a hurry) or to forget about it or fail to discuss it. It's as though the sighting or the 'creature' exerts some kind of psychic force on them to avoid the topic in the aftermath.

Few people, including myself, seem to realize just how vast the Northwest and Canadian wilderness is. I don't have a lot of trouble imagining a large hominid-like creature existing in those forests, however unlikely it might be for other reasons.

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Autumn Williams is absolutely great. I'm not sure if she has ever seen one. I email her once in a while. You wouldn't believe how many people you get to know in this field. Dean Harrison of the Australian Yowie Hunters has a lot of great stories too. You know, the weird thing about people not talking about their encounters is all too normal. Nobody wants to be ridiculed, but there are those who just say it as it is. The stories I have heard personally definately outnumber the number of reported sightings. The benefits of living in a very small town (you get to know everybody). I have to run one more by you...There is a story of two trappers in Theodore Roosevelt's "the wilderness hunter". It is also mention in a John Green book. This story made my blood run cold. I suppose if there are crazy people, there can be crazy animals. Ttyl

Originally posted by foomzz
i have heard from many as to their activities tracking and hunting blah-blah---but where is one little tiny ,itty bitty-shred of evidence-besides grainy pics,and the classic we were camping in in idaho-blah blah-ran threw our camp blah -blah

the best pics i have ever seen are actually the skunk ape of the florida everglades

Well, what evidence is there that Bigfoot doesn't exist? How do you prove that something doesn't exist - especially when there's such an overwhelming indication that something exists.

Do you know why we post "new species discovered" threads in Cryptozoolgy? Because it - time and again - tells us that there are hundreds (if not thousands) of animal species that we are unaware of. Take the Sumatran/Vietnamese Javan rhino for example. It was thought to be extinct for nearly 30 years. No photographs, a handful of odd sightings (thought to be another sub-species), no indication that the animal existed. And then - boom - one day it was captured on motion camera, and so a non-existent animal suddenly came back to life. And we see this happening time and again.

Another great example - the mysterious big cats of the UK. Once thought to be the stories told by drunken farmers in pubs. The amount of evidence that there were in fact Big Cats roaming Britain just became so over-whelming that it couldn't be denied anymore.

Unfortunately, there is a certain "stereo-typing" surrounding Bigfoot/Sasquatch and his followers. They're pretty much called "crazy". This is probably the result of some actual nutcases stating their theories on Bigfoot.

The easiest to way get rid of this "Stigma" surrounding Bigfoot, is to see it as just another - normal - animal species. It's not a visitor from another dimension and planet, time-travelling to give us telepathic messages.

Originally posted by aguila
Autumn Williams is absolutely great. I'm not sure if she has ever seen one.

Yeah, I agree. Have you ever seen her show? I was surprised that she really didn't like it and felt she was 'used' or something. She mentions it occasionally on her site or on the Cryptomundo site, I think. I wonder if she realizes how many fans that show made for her? In fact I'd like to see her do a 'behind the scenes at Mysterious Encounters' or something. I'd buy that book!

I have to run one more by you...There is a story of two trappers in Theodore Roosevelt's "the wilderness hunter". It is also mention in a John Green book. This story made my blood run cold. I suppose if there are crazy people, there can be crazy animals. Ttyl

I may have come across the 'Two Trappers' story, but can't recall it. Got a link to the story?

Have you seen the Ghost Hunter's Inc bigfoot epic on Google video? It's hilarious. (not affiliated with TAPS.

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I sure do! The Wilderness Hunter story
One more thing which disproves a hoax are the actual footprints themselves. The dermal ridge pattern of the sasquatch foot does not resemble humans or any other known primate. The math used to calculate print depth to weight/height ratio is consistent with between 500 to 900 pounds. Kind of cool. I took statistical math in Natural resources at college. It does work. I get a lot of people saying it just doesn't exist where I live, but they have no clue as to the behind the scene science that goes on.

Thanks for the info.

It's been determined that the longitudinal dermal ridges seen on some casts and discovered by Grover Krantz and Jimmy Chilcutt may be casting 'artifacts' that can form spontaneously due to the plaster curing, especially if the surface has been highly compacted.

It may interest you to know that this has been studied back in 2005:

www.bigfootforums.com...

It's a shame, really, because it was initially looking like this was a way to distinguish between hoaxed and 'real' BF prints.

Check out some of the pictures that this gentleman took of his research into this. They're really quite well done:

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BTW, just for fun, I found all the episodes of ME, listed on TV.com.

#1-Florida Skunk Ape

Just for the sake of nostalgia...there's not much there, maybe one or two comments.

Maybe White Wolf will make a DVD some day?

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I have never come across this one, but I will look into it. The pictures are interesting, but I don't think dermal ridges are that big. They're like fingerprints, and very fine lines. I will have to study up on this one though. I have not been on in a while because my PC is having some trouble (mid life crisis?) and now it is in da shop. Later...

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Got a look at Jeff Meldrum's new book When Legend Meets Science

I like it! This is a well illustrated, info-dense overview of cases and traces, and reads like a textbook, while retaining a sense of exploration and wonder.

At sixteen chapters and over 295 pages plus a 14 page index, as well as a half page of Internet resources, it seems to cover the field, and then some. If you are even mildly interested in the big guy, you'll be captivated by this book.

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Sounds interesting. I already have the DVD, but is the book different? I have a high respect for Dr. Meldrum. He authenticated my plaster cast from 2005. He is very knowledable when it comes to sasquatch.