terrorists are just soldiers on a new battlefield

Hi,

Wow

I couldn’t agree more Lee.

Something is seriously wrong the way America or Americans justify this mass murder, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and yet we are OK with that. My heart hurts so much the way this world is and the way this world made people, they can not hear, see, or feel sympathy for another human, a brother, or sister, to "them" it is simple to put a label on those dead bodies and say: "terrorist" I am done! I can sleep now, and if I am wrong, they should just get over it? wow

Most of the time I don’t know what to say

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Depends,
Iraqi's killing American troops are not terrorists.
People hijacking planes and killing innocents, are terrorists.

Then, by definition

People using tanks, guns and missiles to kill innocents in their own land, are terrorists.
People from that land fighting the foreign invader, are freedom fighters.

And you have "freedom fighters" that targets their own people for political purposes, what would that be defined?

terrorists are just soldiers on a new battlefield

Negative.
Technically, according to the Geneva Conventions, a "Soldier" is a "uniformed" member of a standing armed force. Such war fighters are entitled the rights and recognition of such. Non uniformed fighters are not, and thus do not recieve nor are entitled to the same rights and treatment.

There for, the AIF/Insurgents/Unknown enemy, are terrorists and not soldiers. They kill innocent citizens of their own country, indiscriminately and with out remorse. At the least we offer them more than they would to us. We treat them as if the Geneva Code did apply, even though it don't. Torture would be permissable legally, because they are not soldiers, but it is not used by US forces in accordance with legal orders. Instead they are just handed over to the IA aka Iraqi Army, or IPs Iraqi Police for a time. Those people can and do torture, so being turned over is a very threatening prospect for the terrorists.



[edit on 10-8-2007 by ADVISOR]

I do not think terrorists are fredom fighters I think their mass murderers and i wasn't linking 9/11 and Iraq i just named them because they are both great trajetys

Originally posted by deltaboy
you have "freedom fighters" that targets their own people for political purposes, what would that be defined?

You know what deltaboy...
Ive seen the aftermath of these vbied's... on liveleak.com and other various voyeur film displaying site.

But im yet to see, an Iraqi in one frame... enter a car and blow it up.

Do not mistake me, Im sure Iraqi's are building vbieds to attack checkpoints, or bases..
but all these attacks on villages, and homes... and marketplaces..
for all you know... could be anyone!
Iranian... Saudi Arabian.. Yemeni....Sudanese... Lebanese..
All these nationalities are being found in body bags in Iraq.
Yet, Iranians and 'Alqaida' are the only enemies..

If you believe, majority of death in Iraq is related to ' Alqaeda and the Iraqi Sunni V Shiite War ' your believing to much of the hype.

Supposidly, majority of Iraqi's were western ' sympathic nations '
ie, they were all going to welcome us with open arms
yet, now there all terrorist engaging civil war raging barbarians...

Yet, whats the difference from 01 to 07?

..... to be blunt.

Iraqi's killing Iraqi's benefits the US government MORE than it benefits 'any' middle eastern nation
The US has shown how 'considerate' it is to the lives of middle eastern 'specifically' Iraqi's......

We are fueling Iraqi' chaos, and we are extending it into Iran.

If you cant see that, you really need to stop smoking, and start looking out your window.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

You know what deltaboy...
Ive seen the aftermath of these vbied's... on liveleak.com and other various voyeur film displaying site.

But im yet to see, an Iraqi in one frame... enter a car and blow it up.

What do Iraqis look like to you when you see them? You never watch martyrdom videos?

Do not mistake me, Im sure Iraqi's are building vbieds to attack checkpoints, or bases..
but all these attacks on villages, and homes... and marketplaces..
for all you know... could be anyone!
Iranian... Saudi Arabian.. Yemeni....Sudanese... Lebanese..
All these nationalities are being found in body bags in Iraq.
Yet, Iranians and 'Alqaida' are the only enemies..

If Iraqis attack checkpoints or bases using VBIEDs, then no doubt they attack villages and mosques.

If you believe, majority of death in Iraq is related to ' Alqaeda and the Iraqi Sunni V Shiite War ' your believing to much of the hype.

Read this, more anti-Al Qaeda members are being killed for switching sides.
news.yahoo.com...;_ylt=Aj3cAkYOX0gxwU6yCJ_tY.lX6GMA

BAGHDAD - Two Sunni leaders who took public stances against al-Qaida in Iraq were attacked Saturday, in a sign the terror network may ramp up retaliation against local chiefs who oppose it.

Meanwhile, a powerful roadside bomb killed the governor and police chief of a southern province that has been torn by fierce fighting between Shiite factions. The country's prime minister urged residents to show restraint and not launch reprisals.

The flurry of attacks hinted at the complex challenges facing Iraq, from both Shiite militias and Sunni extremists, who often target not just Americans but also their own sects in vicious internal battles.

The United States has pointed to an anti-al-Qaida alliance of local Sunni leaders as a sign of turnaround, but the attacks showed the high risks local leaders face by joining.

In one, militants bombed the northern Baghdad home of a moderate and highly regarded Sunni cleric, Sheik Wathiq al-Obeidi, who had recently spoken against al-Qaida. He was seriously wounded and three relatives were killed.

A Sunni insurgent umbrella group threatened al-Obeidi on Tuesday, calling him a traitor and accusing him of working with the U.S.-backed alliance of Sunni tribal leaders, who are fighting al-Qaida in western Iraq.

Followers denied the cleric was linked to the alliance in Anbar province, but he issued his own call against al-Qaida last week during a funeral prayer for two nephews believed killed by extremists.

Supposidly, majority of Iraqi's were western ' sympathic nations '
ie, they were all going to welcome us with open arms
yet, now there all terrorist engaging civil war raging barbarians...

Depends on whos welcoming.

Iraqi's killing Iraqi's benefits the US government MORE than it benefits 'any' middle eastern nation
The US has shown how 'considerate' it is to the lives of middle eastern 'specifically' Iraqi's......

Iraqis killing Iraqis don't benefit anyone except for themselves who perceives it helps achieve chaos while the U.S. govt. is trying to point out that things are stabilizing and defeating the insurgency, while the insurgent tries to counter that claim by killing more innocent lives and make it headline news. Yes it is logical to see Iraqis killing Iraqis. Especially since back in the past Iraqis have killed other Iraqis, not innocent ones, but former Baathists, Sunnis tribes, Fedayeen, etc.

If you cant see that, you really need to stop smoking, and start looking out your window.

You are telling me? Maybe I should tell that to you.

Originally posted by ADVISOR

terrorists are just soldiers on a new battlefield

Negative.
Technically, according to the Geneva Conventions, a "Soldier" is a "uniformed" member of a standing armed force. Such war fighters are entitled the rights and recognition of such. Non uniformed fighters are not, and thus do not recieve nor are entitled to the same rights and treatment.

There for, the AIF/Insurgents/Unknown enemy, are terrorists and not soldiers. They kill innocent citizens of their own country, indiscriminately and with out remorse. At the least we offer them more than they would to us. We treat them as if the Geneva Code did apply, even though it don't. Torture would be permissable legally, because they are not soldiers, but it is not used by US forces in accordance with legal orders. Instead they are just handed over to the IA aka Iraqi Army, or IPs Iraqi Police for a time. Those people can and do torture, so being turned over is a very threatening prospect for the terrorists.



[edit on 10-8-2007 by ADVISOR]

For the most part, you are just talking to a bunch of people who hate everything American or George Bush and believe that they are right, "you are wrong", regardless of the facts. Nice try and well worded.

I especially enjoy the comments of how people have experienced war by seeing video on the internet.

Originally posted by hinky


For the most part, you are just talking to a bunch of people who hate everything American or George Bush and believe that they are right, "you are wrong", regardless of the facts. Nice try and well worded.

I especially enjoy the comments of how people have experienced war by seeing video on the internet.

Funny you should mention that because Advisor is over there right now in Iraq experiencing war. So he may know a thing or two.

I served in Desert Shield/Storm in'91. Briefly while in Saudi Arabia, I was near a Saudi Check Point on a major route. An auto stoped in front of an American Convoy. One occupant got out with a grenade and looked as if he was about to toss it into the lead convoy vehicle. But he didn't have to. The U.S. drivers breaked, causing the first five vehicles to crash. We had 6 seriously injured w/ spinal injuries. It took 3 medivac Blackhawks to get them out. The Main Supply Route was chocked for 25 minutes. The terrorists were never found, as they wore traditional Arab clothing.

We were invited into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia by the King. What did those injured troops get? A lifetime of pain caused by a terrorist.

Oscar Wilde once said..."As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have it's fascinations. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular."