Marijuana Freak Out.

Oiy, Williams I think gave a link to @forumz I guess showing how stupid it was. This place has to be the most liberal place on earth, and should be bombed to hell.

This Girl comes in and posts that she is having Marijuana "Freak Outs"

www.atforumz.com...

And you know what the best advice the people could give there? To smoke more pot, and it will go away. Good god. So I get in there to correct them, and someone whom they all regaurd as smart, says that kids should be allowed to make their own choices, because if we follow what we tell them are bad, then we'd not be able to have SEX. God damn what an idiot.

Ok now that I've vented. View the thread if you want, but what I really want is some information on drugs and addictions.

I want to hear all your ideas (because this place IS well informed and quite intelligent) about marijuana any drugs, pharmecudicals.

What do you all feel about drugs and children making choices about them and such? I could really use some wise answers about drugs and how harmful they are not only to the physique but to society.

Sincerely,
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Ive had my fair share of problems with drugs and the people involved. But if you tell your kid not to do it He/She only going to take what ever it is behined your back. Let them know of the dangers and what can happen.

But i think one of the best ways is to let them find out for them selves what its like if they dont like it they won't do it again. If there senceible enough

www.newscientist.com...
Cannabis link to mental illness strengthened

23:01 21 November 02

NewScientist.com news service

The link between regular cannabis use and later depression and schizophrenia has been significantly strengthened by three new studies.

The studies provide "little support" for an alternative explanation - that people with mental illnesses self-medicate with marijuana - according to Joseph Rey and Christopher Tennant of the University of Sydney, who have written an editorial on the papers in the British Medical Journal.

One of the key conclusions of the research is that people who start smoking cannabis as adolescents are at the greatest risk of later developing mental health problems. Another team calculates that eliminating cannabis use in the UK population could reduce cases of schizophrenia by 13 per cent.

Until now, say Rey and Tennant, there was "a dearth of reliable evidence" to support the idea that cannabis use could cause schizophrenia or depression. That lack of good evidence "has handicapped the development of rational public health policies," according to one of the research groups, led by George Patton at the Murdoch Children's Research Institute in Melbourne, Australia.

The works also highlights potential risks associated with using cannabis as a medicine to ease the symptoms of muscular sclerosis, for example.


Pharmacological effect

Patton's team followed over 1600 Australian school pupils aged 14 to 15 for
seven years. Daily cannabis use was associated with a five-fold increased risk of depression at the age of 20. Weekly use was linked to a two-fold increase. The regular users were no more likely to have suffered from depression or anxiety at the start of the study.

The reason for the link is unclear. Social consequences of frequent cannabis use include educational failure and unemployment, which could increase the risk of depression. "However, because the risk seems confined largely to daily users, the question about a direct pharmacological effect remains," says Patton.

In separate research, a team led by Stanley Zammit at the University of Cardiff, UK, evaluated data on over 50,000 men who had been Swedish military conscripts in 1969 and1970. This group represents 97 per cent of men aged 18 to 20 in the population at that time.

The new analysis revealed a dose-dependant relationship between the frequency of cannabis use and schizophrenia. This held true in men with no psychotic symptoms before they started using cannabis, suggesting they were not self-medicating.

Originally posted by FreeMason
So I get in there to correct them, and someone whom they all regaurd as smart, says that kids should be allowed to make their own choices, because if we follow what we tell them are bad, then we'd not be able to have SEX. God damn what an idiot.

Idiot here.

You know how you're always ranting about "context"? Well, everything you typed here is totally out of context and not even from the same discussions (nor is any of it very coherent.)

Too bad you want us blown up, but as least you acknowledge there are intelligent people amongst us.



[Edited on 13-12-2002 by St. Theresa]

net.

theres a link between coffee and schizophrenia.
theres also a link between smoking and cancer.
alchohol and liver damage.
sex and HIV.
Sugar, hyperactivity and heart disease.
Salt and kidney faliure.
fat and heart faliure.

people will smoke cannabis. fact.
smoking cannabis is illegal. fact.
cannabis almost certainly does effect the person using it psychologically and physically.

To decide wether it should be legalized we must acccept the first statement and decide wether decriminalizing the second statement will effect the third for the better or the worse.

In my view, the illegality of cannabis has a lot to do with its detremental effects.

If one is purchasing an illegal substance one is more likely to encounter people involved in criminal activity.

If one is smoking an uncontrolled substance then one is more likely to smoke a substance which may be contaminated.

If one has to hide ones use of a substance from the rest of society, problems that substance may be causing are more likely to go unnoticed and escalate.

it is harder to get information about an illegal substance, doseage, inproper use, even its detremental effects, I never bought an 8th with a government health warning on it.

potency of an illegal substance cannot be controlled.

legalizing canabis would allow its taxation, this money as with tobacco could be put into health care.

as I see it, regardless of the bad things Cannabis may do to us, worse things are happening as a result of its use being a criminal activity.

In Britain the police are calling for it to be legalized simply because they'd rather spend their time catching crack dealers than having to drag a school kid back to the station and fill out paper work every ten minutes because he's smoking pot.

In Brixton where it was legalized recently to test the effect, prosecution for serious crimes went up whilst the actual crime rate in the area went down (as it would when your not arresting 70% of the public for smoking weed)

it seems to me that this demonstrates a certain argument for its legalization not because pot is harmless, but because its criminality is not.

I think I need to go see a shrink. I'm in agreement with Lupe...Again!!!

Whew! Some rational minds on these forums! What a relief, I tell ya. We at @forumz thought we'd been invaded by aliens when Freemason landed.

Let me clarify Freemason's misunderstanding.

In the thead he mentioned, a girl who had smoked dozens of times before had a strange experience and wanted to know why.

People told her all the possible reasons why the experience could suddenly be different. I said, for one thing, that infrequent smokers can be prone to paranoia. I didn't say "Oh, well, you need to smoke more." I merely stated a fact, answering her questions, as she requested. I also suggested that it may have contained another drug, like PCP. Getting marijuana laced with other substances is a hazard of its illegality.

Meanwhile, there arose another thread about children and drugs. Some of us (myself included) were of the opinion that if our children were experimenting with marijuana, we'd rather they did that at home than God-knows-where. We wouldn't exactly help them light a crack pipe or shoot up heroin, of course. Those are way different issues. But where pot is concerned, some of us feel that it's too mild a drug to put our children in some sort of danger or create some sort of unsalvagable rift between us.

We felt that honesty was the best policy for dealing with their questions and experimentation. We believe that "just say no" or hysterical reactions are just going to cause our children to find out that a) we're lying or b) we have no idea what we're talking about. Once THAT happens, our credibility goes down the toilet and they're unlikely to get information from anyone other than their friends.

Oh, and the sex thing. Someone else repeatedly asked me why, if I was not ashamed of my moderate use of marijuana, did I not share that with my children. If it's so okay in my book, he demanded, why not tell my kids? Quite simply, I said, I wouldn't tell them about my sexual experiences, either. That doesn't mean sex is wrong. It just means it's an inappropriate subject to discuss with my kids at this time in their lives.

Also, I didn't say that kids SHOULD be able to make their own choices about drugs. Rather, I said, they CAN and they DO and we must be aware of that. MOST kids who do drugs do NOT do it with their parents' permission (or even their KNOWLEDGE.)

So, that's what REALLY happened, in case anyone wanted a translation of what Freemason wrote (i.e. what he wants to believe.)

lol @ fry2. see, he ~can~ have a good idea every so often ....

anyway, i'd just like to correct lupe. to the best of my knowledge they did not actually ~legalise~ cannabis in brixton for the trial. it would be impossible for the police to do so. instead they issued new guidelines on when to make arrests for ~possession~. theoretically you could still be picked up for ~use~ just as previous, and you could still be picked up on possession should the officer think you had lots of it/want to/generally not like you. in addition, they were still heavily hitting the dealers for trafficking.

just wanted to point that out.

for my part, i agree with lupe. i drink every so often with friends to socialise. as a result i probably shorten my life spand by a year or two. i could do the same with cannabis, with the same/similar positive and negative effects.

- qo.

"lol @ fry2. see, he ~can~ have a good idea every so often .... "

Bite me dwarf.
btw are you and Bron around this weekend, C and I are doing the tree Sunday.

"anyway, i'd just like to correct lupe. to the best of my knowledge they did not actually ~legalise~ cannabis in brixton for the trial. "

Thats correct, in all practical senses it was legal but you could still theoretically be arrested for smoking it in public. The police just dropped several rather big hints that they weren't going to bother.

Sounds very similar to the Netherlands. I must say that on my visits there they seemed to have the drug problem very well handled.

Cannabis causes cancer and mental illness if it is used too much, much the same as legal drugs like tobbacco and alcohol. But I think the greatest danger of getting involved in drugs is getting involved with the dealers, and ending up in debt to them. If cannabis was decriminalised, then there would be less violence related to dealing. Also, if the illegal dealers were taken out of the picture, cannabis would no longer be a gateway to more dangerous drugs, as licenced retailers would not be selling these drugs aswell. Legalisation would also mean that you would know what you were getting, intead of the impure product sold on the street.

People will use cannabis no matter what the law says, and I think that education is more important than stopping people from getting hold of the drugs. People need to know the consequences of drug abuse, so that they can make an educated choice when offered drugs.

Freemason. You wanted to know how marijuana affects peoples. I feel like an interesting guinea pig in america. let me explain. you see i think life is screwed up. some of my experience is with pot. i think it is not entirely good or bad. Recently I discovered the term Hegelian dialectic. Don't think about it much but It seems to be true. wether orchetrated on purpose by some illuminati or other weird conceptual group. maybe it is in our nature: to every idea there is an equal and opposite idea.-and we want to think about it. No matter what you do probably half the people will think the side you are on is the wrtong one.

Don't be such a fool and take drugs! Why should you even try it when you know it can hurt you bad the first time you try it? Only people who are easy to manipulate or people who are stupid take drugs!

out of boredom, my response to all the bad pot talk is this. I was bipolar, I was diagnosed as a borderline schizophrenic a few years ago. I struggled with my meds, my family. I struggled with everything. I had smoked pot before, but it freaked me out, the paranoia the numbness, I just did it to feel like part of the group. My shrink put me back on the thorazine-lithium regimine. It hurt so bad, physically it caused me alot of pain in my joints and abdomen. You don't stop taking either of these drugs cold turkey, but i needed something for my nerves, something to kill all the hallucinations, etc. I started to smoke pot again around that time to kill all the little pains the lithium was giving me and to get through the withdrawals. I soon discovered that as little as one joint a day eliminated ALL of my symptoms, something no drug illegal or otherwise had done for me since I was 8. It has benefits, believe me it does.

"Don't be such a fool and take drugs! Why should you even try it when you know it can hurt you bad the first time you try it? Only people who are easy to manipulate or people who are stupid take drugs! "

yeah.
like, er, will self, bob dylan, the beatles, Byron, Shelly, Keates, Marlow, Bill Hicks etc etc etc etc.

in fact, in the words of bill, take your record collection and burn it.

To address the problem and not the responses:

Sounds like the smoker is starting to have panic attacks.

This sort of thing can become more common and it very seldom goes away unless the life situation changes. If it's caused by chemical imbalance (in women, hormone fluctuations will often trigger this... you get panic attacks more often at certain times of the month (and only good journaling will tell you WHEN)) then it's not going to go away unless treatment is gotten.

The "more smoke will make it go away" is similar to the medicating with alcohol or uppers... if you stay high, then you can beat off the attacks. Unfortunately, it doesn't address the CAUSE of the problem and what happens is that you pretty much have to stay perpetually stoned... and then when they trigger again (and they will), they hit when your mental defenses are down (you're stoned) and it becomes worse.

My advice would be to talk to a doctor and tell him or her about the panic attacks. Sometimes temporary adjustments in diet and meds will fix things. UNtreated panic disorder runs the risk of becoming a self punishment habit... and that is a very miserable way to live.