Scientology cited in killings

Navieko, you're up next........

Originally posted by Navieko
I wouldn't risk going to one of the church's or even reading one of the books for a second.

Are you afraid that your mind is so weak that reading something, or having a conversation with someone will brainwash you.
I would hope that you're strong enough to inform yourself without coming to any harm.

Damn dude, maybe you should stop reading ATS. Some of the ideas presented here could seriously mess with your fragile mind.

helium3 is on deck.......

Originally posted by helium3

You mean this Sea Org ?

Ron L Hubbards bio

anxietydisorder did you have teenaged girls dressed in white hot pants wait on you hand and foot ?. But please if people wanna believe in this sicko, dont let the fact he is insane stop you

I was not a member in 1967, and don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.
I wish I had girls in hot pants as servants, but that wasn't the case, nor did I ever see anything like that during my time there.
Who wrote that piece of crap, and why do you believe it


I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that Hubbard was insane ?
Did you examine him, or read his writings ?

Or are you like everyone else that just read something on the web ?

Originally posted by anxietydisorder
Are you afraid that your mind is so weak that reading something, or having a conversation with someone will brainwash you.
I would hope that you're strong enough to inform yourself without coming to any harm.

Damn dude, maybe you should stop reading ATS. Some of the ideas presented here could seriously mess with your fragile mind.

Actually, no. As I stated -- and as I'm sure you saw, I tend to think of myself as someone who doesn't easily get brainwashed by such rubbish. But what I also should of included is that I'm opened minded enough to accept the possibility that such techniques or 'power' exists in being capable of such a task. The fact that so many people, some I even knew personally, were so easily taken in -- makes me all the more weary.

I guess I'm not a gambler, especially when I know there will be no benefit even if I do win.

[edit on 10/7/07 by Navieko]

Originally posted by Navieko

Actually, no. As I stated -- and as I'm sure you saw, I tend to think of myself as someone who doesn't easily get brainwashed by such rubbish. But what I also should of included is that I'm opened minded enough to accept the possibility that such techniques or 'power' exists in being cabale of such a task. The fact that so many people, some I even knew personally, were so easily taken in -- makes me all the more weary.

I guess I'm not a gambler, especially when I know there will be no benefit even if I do win.

How do you know if it's rubbish if you've never even looked into Scientology in any way, shape, or form ?

What if the people you knew personally actually found something that interested them, and helped them in their lives ?

You're not presenting yourself as being very open minded.

A reminder to all...

This is a "Breaking Alternative News" thread that is discussing a single tragic event. Please confine any and all discussions in this thread to that single incident, and not Scientology as a whole, and especially not any particular ATS member.

There are several ongoing threads that discuss Scientology... That would be an excellent place to undertake any broad discussions regarding that subject.

Thanks.

Originally posted by anxietydisorder

I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that Hubbard was insane ?

"Xenu (sometimes Xemu) is introduced as an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living."

These are the words of a sane man ?, better yet let me guess this info is also fabricated to discredit Hubbard ?. But since you asked not only was Hubbard a fruit cake but he was the ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE. The Church of Scientology does not allow the use of "psych drugs" but at the time of Hubbards death Vistaril was found in his system A BLOODY PSYCH DRUG.

Please people if you believe the garbage that Hubbard spills out i'm currently selling the moon for only $500, i accept Paypal.

[edit on 10-7-2007 by helium3]

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
A reminder to all...

There are several ongoing threads that discuss Scientology... That would be an excellent place to undertake any broad discussions regarding that subject.

Mirthful Me has spoken.

The original story is certainly a tragedy, and I don't think Scientology is to blame.
If anyone wants to debate this topic in another thread you can u2u me so that I can read your post.

Over and out.
anx..........

well if she had recieved proper medical attention then maybe this would not have occured - its not limited to 1 sect though ; Jehovah's Witnesses forbid blood transfusions so people have died for there beliefs before and will do again.

Originally posted by anxietydisorder
How do you know if it's rubbish if you've never even looked into Scientology in any way, shape, or form ?

I never said I haven't looked into Scientology in "any way, shape, or form".
I've done research looking at both sides of the perspective, and what my insinct tells me, I go with. You may say I was fooled by the 'biased media', but I know I went in with a neutral state of mind -- not knowing anything about the cult/religion until after.

When looking into these sorts of things, I prefer to take the safe, distanced approach first; and than decide if I should continue further (attend a Church session, read a book etc).

Anyway, I agree -- time to go back on topic. I guess this case is a little too trivial to decide whether Scientology is to blame, wihout anymore information. Certainly questionable though, especially when taking into consideration the history of similar -- or even more "disturbing" stories.

The Scientologists have reponded to the deaths today:

The Australian Church of Scientology says there is no link between its beliefs and a double murder in western Sydney.
...
The Vice President of the Australian Church of Scientology, Cyrus Brooks, has outlined his position on the matter to ABC 702's VirginiaTrioli (audio)

rest of article here

Bull#, L.Ron Hubbard was a nut case, I read his 10 books, absolute crap. Full stop. He's an example of a fkwit with too many followers. If you are a scientologist, if mental illness does not exist, why are there so many of you? Or is Scientology Modern Day Illuminati?

P.S if a scientoligist pins you, tell them you smoked your purple socks for breakfast. Instead of embracing you like one of hubbards aliens they'll treat you like a crack addict.

"The original story is certainly a tragedy, and I don't think Scientology is to blame."
Go on enlighten me. Leave the BS at he door. Go on then......



[edit on 10-7-2007 by DuncanIdahoGholem]

I think I'll go start a thread on the evils of Christianity, Lord knows there's enough evil in their past to fill an encyclopedia.

At least christian faiths, have apologised for past atrocities caused by their predecessors. I have yet to see anyone from the
cult of scientology come out and apologise for the, murders that they have caused.

Are you afraid that your mind is so weak that reading something, or having a conversation with someone will brainwash you.

Im sorry i would have to disagree, if they had let this woman, get help before it was too late, then maybe her parents would still be alive. Either way you look at it, this has all the hallmarks of Scientology on it....

His original books surround santanic verses, not religion, he invovled in an occult before he even started up Scientology.

Damn dude, maybe you should stop reading ATS. Some of the ideas presented here could seriously mess with your fragile mind

Most of the things Scientology does to peoples, serious screws peoples minds up, not ATS. I will take that as an insult. Now I can harrass, stalk you family just the same way as Scientology does (Sacarsm).

Or are you like everyone else that just read something on the web ?

But isnt that what the cult of scientology does, try and control everything that is said or posted on the internet about it?

The original story is certainly a tragedy, and I don't think Scientology is to blame.

Im sorry i would have to disagree, if they had let this woman, get help before it was too late, then maybe her parents would still be alive.



[edit on 10-7-2007 by spencerjohnstone]

I can no longer reply in this thread without going off the topic of this particular case. The subject is much broader than the restrictions applied to "Breaking Alternative News".
The Mods set the rules.......

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
A reminder to all...

This is a "Breaking Alternative News" thread that is discussing a single tragic event. Please confine any and all discussions in this thread to that single incident, and not Scientology as a whole, and especially not any particular ATS member.

There are several ongoing threads that discuss Scientology... That would be an excellent place to undertake any broad discussions regarding that subject.

Thanks.

I will answer questions in this thread:
Scientology, Ask Me A Question And I'll Try To Answer
www.belowtopsecret.com...

I'll see you there if you're interested.

Scientology is for sure bad news. The thing is I can help but to wonder about the drugs she was given three weeks ago...

They denied her the treatment she wanted, then dosed the 25-year-old with their own medicine, specially imported from the US. Finally, as her mental health worsened three weeks ago, they crumbled and let her take anti-psychotic drugs she had been prescribed.

Maybe whatever she was prescribed threw her over the edge? Seems that before the anti-psychotic drugs she was not committing murder, then three weeks on these drugs she then did commit murder.

This story is sadly too familiar. Jeremy Perkins, an undiagnosed schizophrenic, stabbed his mother to death. Jeremy Perkins
A collection of articles regaring Perkins

FWIW I have read quite a few $cientology books (as I like to have 'both' sides to something) and I stand by my opinions of them...which aren't very high. I don't think $cientologists are bad people, I think the organization itself that is the real problem.