The New I.D.

The New I.D.

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What does that mean for me?
Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States, you\'ll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver\'s license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards.

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I\'ve always heard that \"Big Brother\" is watching us. I just never paid attention. I am not a Montel Williams fan by a long shot, however a few weeks ago on his show he talked about how electronic devices such as printers, cameras, mobile phones, are being used to \"track\" its consumers. His gusests seemed reliable witnesses. I\'m \"new\" to this. I\'m sure most of you aren\'t. I don\'t mean to sound \"niave\" however, I can\'t imagine our government would place chips inside merchandise just to \"track\" us let alone our bodies. But I came across this website and it shocked me. I realize \"fighting\" crime is a 24/7 job. But to stake our civil liberties which have been diminsihing over the years, it\'s not worth it. I donot think that any I.D. card would keep illegel aliens or terrorists out of our country. The card has a commonable readable machine technology inside that allows \"whomever\" to read the card. They say with this card, no one will be able to steal anyones identity again. No one can defraud you or me and it will be able to keep unwanted visitors out of our country. I remember the old adage, \"If it\'s too good to be true, it probably is.\" I can\'t imagine anyones information on one of these cards let alone my own. I wish America would stand up and ban this thing. What\'s next, a machine that we walk through that really makes sure we are who we say we are? This is ridiculous and absurd. And if these cards can really keep illegal aliens and terrorist out, how so? How can the card alert the \"higher ups\" they are around? I think there\'s more to this card than what they are letting on. I don\'t mean to sound paranoid about it, I was just htinking before it\'s too late, before another civil liberty is squashed, Can\'t we all just get together and ban this thing?

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I googled and found this.....


Last year, Congress passed the Real ID Act in an effort to curb terrorism.

That means by May 2008 all states must issue drivers licenses and ids that meet tougher federal standards laid out by the Department of Homeland Security.

Information on a 'Real ID' would include a person's full name, date of birth, home address, physical features and arguably the most controversial aspect, some sort of bar or chip that can be read or scanned, much like a credit card.

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I wonder why this wasn't picked up more in the news realm?

I find it strange that you guys haven't heard of this before. It has been all over the news here for awhile now. Our state just rejected it, so I wouldn't worry about this coming to pass any time soon. Here's a link to the newspaper article... Charleston.net

You should check and see what actions your individual states are taking to enact this. South Carolina can't be the only place this has made news coverage and been rejected.

Awesome!!!

I can't wait to get my new I.D.

I'd like to see it go one step further and your I.D. is also your Debit Card and credit card and everything that you need, just one card.

Then we can just go to the Chip.

Thank you guys for all the helpful information concerning this controversial issue. I know this subject may sound simple but honestly for me, red flags are everywhere. I will check into my state and see what can be done about rejecting it since I am against it and hopefully many others will be too.
There's more to this than meets the eye.

I don't know if you guys read the article or not but it's also suggested that a retinal or fingerprint scan which ever they choose would be on this I.D. too.

Another thing about it, someone mentioned on the board, is the credit and or debit system allowed on the card. I know it may sound convenient to have that on the card but for me it spells double trouble. I just feel there's too much at stake and at risk here for any government to bring on to its citizens.

There are other ways to keep illegals or terrorists out of our country than to punish its citizens and make them get an I.D. card which by the way houses all of our private information, which could include medical and everything else.

My mother told me that when she was young, having a social security card was an option but a law was passed making it mandatory. Now, we're not given an option.

Thank you for responding.

Most states' current licenses have info strips on the back of them as it is. Nothing new about that. My license already has a physical description, date of birth, and other personal info. There's nothing new to this. I used to live in Alabama, and they used to put our SSN on the driver's license in that state until the late 90s. (maybe a year or two later than that) If they want to put a chip into our skin, that is one thing. There's nothing much more to this than the info that is already coded into your card. Putting a little more info in is no big deal. You already have to show proof of id to get a loan, car, house, apartment, medical care, etc. It doesn't seem like it will change too many procedures that are already in place. When they decide to imbed chips into our bodies for all of this, and go to credits rather than currency, that is when I would worry.

arguably the most controversial aspect, some sort of bar or chip that can be read or scanned, much like a credit card.

I received my current license in January 2005, and it already has this. My previous one did also. (from another state)

[edit on 6/26/2007 by venom79x]

Hi
In your post "when they start embedding chips under our skin, that's when to worry," That's what I think it's all leading up to. I can not remember which news media reported on this but there is a bar over seas that already does this type of technology for its V.I.P.'s. The manager of the club stated that everyone in the near future at birth would be implanted. Another thing, I had stated earlier how a SS card was voluntary at first but then it was made manditory. I have a feeling it will be madatory, these chips. And in an essence this is what it is leading up to.
For example, in Florida, this family got implanted and I think if I'm not mistaken one of the members has a chip with his medical condition on it to alert physicians. I'm not saying this is bad however, I wouldn't want it and everyone should be given an option whether they want the device or not. But the thing is if they keep upgrading technology, for instance, "Oh we don't do that anymore so you'll have to get the chip," kinda thing. I know it sounds a little far fetched but I really do think the chip is where technology is headed. And I do not like it not one bit.

I dont know why people are freaking out about this. Personally...i think it would be awesome to just have to swipe my drivers license to fill out a job application or to get on a plane and not have to wait hours to be scanned by secruity. If I was in a car wreck and unconscious the EMS people could just swipe my ID and know about any health conditions they need to know, immediately. South Carolina and Illinois are both places that i have lived and both have "bar codes" on the back of their drivers licenses, but they havent put anything on them and arent currently using them on any scale that i know of.


I assume there will some sort of redundant secruity with them like with credit cards today...photo, signature..etc...


There is nothing about you that cant be found out by the government if they really want to know about you anyways.

Chips under my skin is when I start burning buildings down.

[edit on 27/6/07 by Pfeil]

I just wanted to add that yes, most licenses have a bar code or magnetic strip on them already, and yes, information is programmed into them. I believe it was my old Ohio license that had a strip like a credit card on it, but I only ever saw it used once. I stopped somewhere to purchase "age-restricted" beverages and the cashier just swiped the id as opposed to checking the birthdate. In that regard I do believe id's should be updated so that they can not be easily forged.

Has anyone found any information on what exactly would be different about the new id's? Such as, what new information would be required to be on them? I was just wondering because it might change people's opinions on them if they knew what exactly was going to be involved in the change.

Originally posted by beneatiahCan\'t we all just get together and ban this thing?

In a tribal society definately.

In a democracy possibly.

In the oligarchic republic we now live under. Never.

I am,

Sri Oracle

There is some recent news concerning the new I.D. that I posted on a different page. It seems that the immigration bill is stopping the new I.D.'s and I can only say that I am elated. I was reading one of you guys posts about how to them it would be cool to have all this on their I.D. I have lots of different reasons why I am opposed to the new I.D. For one, convenience is one of the reasons why our country is in the mess its in. Now, don't get me wrong I can name alot that's wrong with America. I just think that America has laid down long enough. It has let other countries rape her and not complain. America has been too lenient for too long and I feel that the new I.D's having the bar code and the other "convenient" mess on it, would only lead up to more sophisticated technology such as embedding chips under our skin.
Secondly, another reason why I'm opposed: Our private information on this card. I feel that it infringes on our civil liberties.
But one of you guys hit it on the nail that if our government wants to find out anything about us, it could and you are absolutely right.
Third reason why I don't like the card: It's almost like an advertisement like highly defined sales pitches. It's like a scam to me. They talk about the advantages of the new I.D. card and say it will stop identity theft which I can't see that ever happening. Stealing and Theft will continue regardless of a new I.D. card.
Fouth, I don't want a debit or credit card built into my I.D. I don't care how convenient it is.
Fifth, too much is on the new I.D. card to steal from anyway.
It's just too much about it that hollers out, "I really can't stop what I claim to stop and I'm too good to be true."

My opinions,

God Bless
Beneatiah

Sounds like the military smart card, they have issued in the armed forces, I member mine having my full basic info with a gold chip with a geometric design, Like this




pretty interesting, as this would be considered the "mark".

I wouldnt want this cuz it can still be abused, and used by non-related persons.
Over the net. you cant scan it at home. you still type in info. I dunno we should just go back to bartering, hell at least that way people cant make money for doing nothing an flooding our worlds economy with free money an make thoes rich even richer.

New Hampshire passed a law today saying that they would reject a national ID card.

Although, frankly, I don't how this is much different from everyone having a license of non-driver's ID. The license network seems so integrated that it may already have become a national ID.