Abug gharib guard admits to rape of 15 yr old girl.

Video here.

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This video comes in from Infowars 'IraqSlogger.com'. The U.S. Army's Criminal Investigation Division has opened an investigation into this video, which was first posted on their site last week.

This video purports to show a former guard from Abu Gharib talking about torture techniques employed at the American-run prison. The man also recounts the gang rape of a female teenage detainee, in which one guard "pimped" the girl to others for $50 each. As he recalls, "I think at the end of the day he'd made like 500 bucks before she hung herself." (more)

At first i considered the possibility that this was fake, but after listening to the end, i became convinced of it's legitimacy.

"why did they let the pictures come out?"

"no one expected, compared to what we where doing everyday, to a couple of hadji's, making them walk around and bark like a dog, what's the big deal? .... never expected anyone to get all upset."

I had asked my self why they let the pictures come out many times, and never was i able to come up with an answer like this, but it makes perfect sense. It takes a very particular kind of mind, to know something so hateful as this.

He hides his face. As criminals often do, he wants people to know what he has gotten away with, and what he will most likely continue to get away with. Because despite all the fact and evidence that has come out, there are some who still refuse to believe.

Well, just about anybody can take a video of themselves and post it on YouTube just to push their own agenda. I take stuff like this with a grain of salt until an official investigation comes out. You can't just believe everything that's on the internet.

Unfortunately when stuff like this comes out, people start posting it as fact and pretty soon everybody is judge and jury before any real facts are even stated about whether or not the video is even legitimate.

I personally hope I am right in assuming this is someone trying to push an anti-war, anti-soldier agenda rather than being true. I hate to think that our soldiers would rape a 15 year old girl.

Originally posted by closettrekkie
I hate to think that our soldiers would rape a 15 year old girl.

Me too, but unfortunately history has proven otherwise. Vietnam is all I have to say. Of course, my information is all hearsay, so I have no proof.

well they have been convicted of raping a 14 year old one, shooting her and her family and then burning the bodies, last year.

That's been proven.

I'm not condoning this in any way, but our soldiers are only human. Joining the Army or any other service suddenly make you a better person than anyone else. Yes, they are supposed to be the "Good Guys" but there's no screening process to catch someone who would do something like this. Many times this is a crime of opportunity, where the person doing it doesn't even realize they're going to until the opportunity comes up, and there was no warning for anyone to see.

I hope ANYONE caught doing this gets the maximum penalty, and is thrown in Leavenworth and the key gets "lost".

Yes, Zaphod - I do have to agree with you. Sometimes I can get caught up in Hollywood's "romantic" portrait of a soldier and what he/she represents, but in real life there are good and bad people and soldiers are not immune to that. A lot of people that have screwed up lives tend to join the service just for the purpose of straightening out their lives - to get some discipline, but if you put them in a stressful situation like a combat situation it can be very easy to go back to the easy way of your old life and habits.

Originally posted by closettrekkie
A lot of people that have screwed up lives tend to join the service just for the purpose of straightening out their lives - to get some discipline, but if you put them in a stressful situation like a combat situation it can be very easy to go back to the easy way of your old life and habits.

Also, there are alot that had a choice. Jail or the army. Just the sort of people I want representing me in another country, war or not.

Griff
Just the sort of people I want representing me in another country, war or not.

Nice, so unsubstantiated internet video offers up the opportunity to slam our troops?

The U.S. Army's Criminal Investigation Division is looking into the video, perhaps they have to find evidence that will point to the identification of the young man in the video as a been in the military first then to his time in Iraq and around Abu Graib.

That will not take long. We may have to wait and see what happen next.

Originally posted by marg6043
The U.S. Army's Criminal Investigation Division is looking into the video, perhaps they have to find evidence that will point to the identification of the young man in the video as a been in the military first then to his time in Iraq and around Abu Graib.

That will not take long. We may have to wait and see what happen next.

It's a nice thought... but the military has an annoying habit of only ever preforming internal investigations.
Because it's not a public process, it's entirely their discretion as to actually investigate or to sweep it under the rug. Unless they can't. Like when some dumb ass leaks a bunch of photos.

As for the vid itself, it struck me as seeming perty legit. The tone of voice, the way he lowers it a bit when he's talking about his own actions, body language... it all fits.

If this is a fake vid, the dude is a very good actor.
If it's legit, the dude deserves to be in a pine box along with a whole bunch of other evil F:censored:k heads.

Don't give me that "they're only human" BS, either.
There is NO excuse for that crap.

Don't give me that "they're only human" BS, either.
There is NO excuse for that crap.

Agrees, How would members feel if it was their daughter that he had raped or pimped out to his fellow colleagues.. If it is proven he is no worse than a Pedophile who prays on young girls. If it is proven I hope he either gets castrated for it or imprisioned for life.

Doesnt bring that young girls back though does it...

Just the sort of people I want representing me in another country, war or not

I do hope that you are joking.... Why would you want someone like that to represent your country in war or not, makes me sick to my stomache (if it is true), they he anothers have gotten away with this for so long...

Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar

Griff
Just the sort of people I want representing me in another country, war or not.

Nice, so unsubstantiated internet video offers up the opportunity to slam our troops?

So how does that confirmed story of the troops raping a 14 year old then killing the family sound? Can I say the troops then

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Sntzaow]

by Sntzaow
So how does that confirmed story of the troops raping a 14 year old then killing the family sound?

Those criminals have been brought to Justice, as per the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Can I say the troops then

If you're talking about those particular troops from that situation, then it is totally understandable! But if you're trying to paint ALL of the troops by the actions of a few Criminals, then I sincerely disagree. However, my original statement was dealing with the Unsubtantiated nature of the allegations from this situation, not the one to which you refer, and therefore this strays a bit off topic.

[edit on 23-6-2007 by HimWhoHathAnEar]

Here is an interview about new details emerging about the abuse and how early it was known, it also includes an interview with Seymore Hersh who originally broke the story about the torture in the first place, and also about a general confirming they had video of an American soldier sodimizing a female detainee. There is a full transcript of the interview or you can download the interview if you want to watch it.

www.democracynow.org.../06/19/1433252
AMY GOODMAN: New details have emerged in the Abu Ghraib scandal and with them new questions that reach right to the top. In his first interview since leading the Pentagon's investigation into Abu Ghraib, Major General Antonio Taguba has revealed he disclosed key findings and photographs of the abuses as early as January 2004. That’s months before Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and President Bush say they first learned of what went on at the Iraqi prison. Taguba also says he was forced to retire because his report was too critical of the US military.

He says the military has unpublished photographs and videos that show the abuse and torture was even worse than previously disclosed. That includes video of a male American soldier in uniform sodomizing a female prisoner and information of the sexual humiliation of a father and his son. Taguba says he was blocked from investigating who ordered the torture at Abu Ghraib.