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'Massive and Systematic Violations' of Human Rights'
By Marcel Rosenbach and John Goetz
In his second report for the Council of Europe, special investigator Dick Marty will say that he has "enough evidence to state" that the CIA operated secret prisons in Poland and Romania. SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained a copy of the report, which is due for release this afternoon. It documents a "series of illegal acts" on the part of the CIA.
New report cites proof of CIA Black Cites.
In his report, Marty cites anonymous ~ sources as the basis for his claims.
he was sharply criticized for his early conclusions due to the weakness of the evidence at the time.
Originally posted by makeitso
New report cites proof of CIA Black Cites.
While the reading is interesting, his proof is as follows:
In his report, Marty cites anonymous ~ sources as the basis for his claims.
How can anyone reasonably consider this proof? They can't, because it isn't proof at all. Thats why, in his previous report:
he was sharply criticized for his early conclusions due to the weakness of the evidence at the time.
While I don't doubt that there were secret prisons, until hard evidence and non-anonymous sources come forward, this report and its contents is just speculation, not proof.
I seems unfathomable to me that the full weight of the EU council can only come up with unverifiable information, if these renditions and secret prisons were as common place and horrible as claimed.
To Spiegel, I say, let me know when the real proof comes out, so that we can review verifiable facts.
Both prisons were "run directly and exclusively by the CIA," according to Marty. In Romania, the president knew of the existence of the black site, but not even the prime minister had similar knowledge. The CIA deliberately cooperated with military rather than civilian intelligence agencies because the military agencies are not under the supervision and control of parliaments, Marty states.
The "series of illegal acts" carried out by the CIA was either tolerated or supported by the member countries of the Council of Europe, according to Marty. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) provided the necessary international backing through resolutions passed on Oct. 4, 2001 -- which allowed what Marty describes as "blank check" overflight permits, for example. Marty suggests that secret protocols, to which he does not have access, record additional concessions the Europeans made to the United States. During the negotiations over the secret prison in Romania, for example, the US promised Bucharest its support for the Eastern European's country application for full NATO membership, the report alleges.
Earlier this week, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against aviation service Jeppesen Dataplan before a county court in San Diego, California. Jeppesen Dataplan is a subsidiary of US airplane manufacturer Boeing. The ACLU has accused the company of having rented out at least 15 airplanes for a total of 70 prisoner transfers -- transfers that violated US law and fundamental American values.
Both prisons were "run directly and exclusively by the CIA," according to Marty. In Romania, the president knew of the existence of the black site, but not even the prime minister had similar knowledge. The CIA deliberately cooperated with military rather than civilian intelligence agencies because the military agencies are not under the supervision and control of parliaments, Marty states.
The "series of illegal acts" carried out by the CIA was either tolerated or supported by the member countries of the Council of Europe, according to Marty. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) provided the necessary international backing through resolutions passed on Oct. 4, 2001 -- which allowed what Marty describes as "blank check" overflight permits, for example. Marty suggests that secret protocols, to which he does not have access, record additional concessions the Europeans made to the United States. During the negotiations over the secret prison in Romania, for example, the US promised Bucharest its support for the Eastern European's country application for full NATO membership, the report alleges.
Maybe you don't want to verify any facts at all. That's just my personal guess. Just because many of the high-ranking sources remain anonymous to the public, doesn't mean that their statements are not valuable.
Just because you manage to show us two minimal oddities from this news report, like Marty's report being called inevident at an EARLIER point in time. Doesn't mean that we can ignore all the other facts, which certainly are prooved, to the highest possible extent.
The problem is; You don't want to see any proof. Even if it lies there in front of you, with numerous critical facts. You prefer to deny reality.
The only question which remains for me is, why do people like you prefer to blindly trust the governments and or secret service?
Would this shatter your endless trust in a world.. which is probably a lie?
Or why else can't you accept the high probability of governments ignoring the most basic human rights?
Maybe you should start disprooving the other, and more obvious facts presented in this article, before describing this article as pure speculations.
Originally posted by junglelord
the USA has no constitution any more, no more due process, no habius corpus.
it operates as a terrorist dictatorship that can wisk you away and torture you with no reprecussions.
ask some canadians citizens