marriage and family values are"hate speech"

At the same time, those municipal officials for the city of Oakland, Calif., were allowing employees to exchange epithets such as the N-word, the appeal said.
"In fact, the lower courts' decisions could preclude a public employee from so much as mentioning the birth of one's child or the fact that they were just married because this might theoretically offend a co-worker,"
However, as the Pro-Family Law Center noted, the court "completely failed to address the concerns of the appellants with respect to the fact that the City of Oakland's Gay-Straight Employees Alliance was openly allowed to attack the Bible in widespread city e-mails, to deride Christian values as antiquated, and to refer to Bible-believing Christians as hateful. When the plaintiffs attempted to refute this blatant attack on people of faith, they were threatened with immediate termination by the City of Oakland. The Ninth Circuit did not feel that the threat of immediate termination had any effect on free speech."
Looks like only Christians,whites can be charged with "hate crimes"

A few comments:

1) Hate crime laws are a bane to justice regardless of whom they are aimed or benefit.

They should all be eliminated as essentially boiling down to thought policing.

2) Do you have any kind of reference for this? Hard to tell if you are getting some of your post from an article and if so which parts.

A bit more clarity would be nice.

3) Fairness and equity went out the door in America a long time ago. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by something like this.

World Net Daily is the source.

On further investigation, it seems 2 women put up this notice on the bulletin board at work:

Good News Employee Associations is a forum for people of Faith to express their views on the contemporary issues of the day. With respect for the Natural Family, Marriage and Family values. If you would like to be a part of preserving integrity in the Workplace call Regina Rederford @xxx- xxxx or Robin Christy @xxx-xxxx

Robert Bobb, then city manager, and Joyce Hicks, then deputy director of the Community and Economic Development Agency, ordered their notice removed, because it contained "statements of a homophobic nature" and promoted "sexual-orientation-based harassment."

Source


I'm not sure of the entire story, but I get the gist of it. The organization these women supported was clearly for people of faith to get together and slam homosexuals and even try to get them fired. Associating their prejudices with the workplace (calling themselves "Good News Employee Associations") and threatening to "preserve integrity in the workplace" makes the motives of these women all too clear.

KrazyJethro, I totally agree with you about hate speech and hate crimes.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The organization these women supported was clearly for people of faith to get together and slam homosexuals and even try to get them fired.

I didn't see anything in that article to support that statement.

Can you post some substantiation?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The organization these women supported was clearly for people of faith to get together and slam homosexuals and even try to get them fired.

I didn't see anything in that article to support that statement.

Can you post some substantiation?

well, obviously world net daily wouldn't have something about how truely horrid the group is, seeing as there's an agenda that they support (by whatever means necessary)

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, obviously world net daily wouldn't have something about how truely horrid the group is, seeing as there's an agenda that they support (by whatever means necessary)

What are you talking about?

Can you substantiate these statements or is it that Christians are horrid by definition?

Clearly, these women are on the attack against the gay people in their workplace. They filed suit against the city's anti-discrimination policy because it "promoted homosexuality".

They obviously feel that discrimination is the Christian way...

July 2003 lawsuit filed by Rederford and Christy claimed the city’s anti-discrimination policy “promotes homosexuality” and “openly denounces Christian values.”

Baltimore Reporter

When Christians stop attacking gay people, then gay people won't need the vociferous protection that we're seeing in this case.

I think the women should have been asked to re-word their flier (maybe they were) instead of taking it down. But they associated this group of theirs with the workplace and suggested that there was a need to gain integrity in the workplace.

It's pretty clear to me.


[edit on 6-6-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Well, it isn't so clear to me.

I'm certain their not fond of homosexuality, but their agenda seems to be the new law that will force churches to hire those whose lifestyle is in direct opposition to church doctrine.

This issue is a ticking time bomb.

Ultimately, this is a hot enough issue to engender rebellion.

Well, churches shouldn't be allowed to discriminate any more than anyone else. The law you're talking about prohibits discrimination based on race, gender, etc.

Illinois churches are protesting a new state law that bars them from "discriminating" against homosexuals, contending it robs Christians of their First Amendment freedoms.

Oh, for Christ's sake!

The measure adds "sexual orientation" to the state law that bars discrimination based on race, religion and similar traits in areas such as jobs and housing.

This is what these sweet Christian ladies are fighting. It's the the 21st Century. Discrimination is NOT LEGAL.

Originally posted by rdang
Alliance was openly allowed to attack the Bible in widespread city e-mails, to deride Christian values as antiquated, and to refer to Bible-believing Christians as hateful.

I guess the truth hurts? That's all I can say.

Looks like only Christians,whites can be charged with "hate crimes"

No, anyone who performs a hate crime will be prosecuted by the hate crimes laws. There's no difference or so-called 'special" rights. Unfortunately, it's mostly white Christian males who commit hate crimes. Don't like the statistics? Well too bad.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
What are you talking about?

Can you substantiate these statements or is it that Christians are horrid by definition?

well, benev's proven nothing but reliable. i'm just pointing out the horrible pile of crap that is the "news" site called worldnetdaily

and rdang, bible-believing christians ARE hateful because they believe in a hateful book.

As Jews and Muslims also follow a religion which condemns homosexuality, I'm wondering why only Christians are singled out for condemnation in the following quote?

originally posted by madnessinmysoul 'and rdang, bible-believing christians ARE hateful because they believe in a hateful book.'

Originally posted by Dock6
As Jews and Muslims also follow a religion which condemns homosexuality, I'm wondering why only Christians are singled out for condemnation in the following quote?

originally posted by madnessinmysoul 'and rdang, bible-believing christians ARE hateful because they believe in a hateful book.'

and here's your ANSWER:

Originally posted by rdang
Alliance was openly allowed to attack the Bible in widespread city e-mails, to deride Christian values as antiquated, and to refer to Bible-believing Christians as hateful.

if someone had said that koran-believing muslims were hateful in those e-mails, i would have also stood by it
same with jewish scriptural literalists.

i was just pointing out that everything the alliance was saying was... well, correct.

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"In fact, the lower courts' decisions could preclude a public employee from so much as mentioning the birth of one's child or the fact that they were just married because this might theoretically offend a co-worker,"

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50 years ago, the NWO folks had already targeted the destruction of the robustness of the American family as a key way to weaken and destroy our Democratic Republic.

They have achieved far more than any of us would have imagined in a relatively short time. OUTRAGEOUS.

God have mercy on us in spite of the idiocies we have allowed and participated in.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Oh, for Christ's sake!

The measure adds "sexual orientation" to the state law that bars discrimination based on race, religion and similar traits in areas such as jobs and housing.

This is what these sweet Christian ladies are fighting. It's the the 21st Century. Discrimination is NOT LEGAL.

I guess the question is, are the churches really being prevented from discriminating?

Aren't private organizations allowed to set restrictive guidelines for membership?

Do churches qualify as private organizations?

Hating, though distasteful, is not illegal.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Oh, for Christ's sake!

Why would you, of all people, invoke the name of God in response to an opposing view on this matter.

Me, of all people? Why "me, of all people"? Because I'm not religious? Are only religious people allowed to "invoke the name of God"?

Grady, that's how I talk.

And I didn't say that in response to an opposing view. I said that in response to the fact that people are protesting a law that prohibits them from discriminating against homosexuals! I said that in astonishment at the idea that people want to discriminate. "Christian" people! I just can't believe it.

I was just curious.

It just seemed odd that someone who is so critical of "Christian people" would care about Christ's sake.

By the way, I'm not a Christian, even though I do consider it a compliment to be considered one.

[edit on 2007/6/9 by GradyPhilpott]

The only people I'm critical of in this instance are hypocritical people. People who claim to be Christian and act nothing like Christ. People who use their religion as a means to discriminate and spread hate.

And why are you getting so personal, anyway? Chill out.