The Grey Matter....

The semi-morbid (but interesting) thread on When Is It OK To Kill A Gray? has sparked some interesting questions and theories, so I thought I would start another thread to explore some of these and get input thats more thread specific and NOT about throttling a small child-like creature from BEYOND.



A.) Of all the "alleged Photos or video" of the greys which do YOU think are GENUINE,if any.....



B.)Does technological superiority give you "the right" to subjugate and/or manipulate a being or animal for any purpose you deem necessary?



C.)Does the FACT of superior intellect suggest that concepts such as ETHICS or MORALITY are common universal ideals OR is it a purely HUMAN ideal and therefore has NO bearing on a being not from earth or should they be accountable for our CUSTOMS?

I want to encourage FREE THINKERS here... and EVERYONES opinion matters.

I will start off by answering these questions from my perspective....

A.) Of all the "alleged Photos or video" of the greys which do YOU think are GENUINE,if any.....

Only one photo do I believe is accurate. Call it a gut feeling...call it an obscure recollection.... but I believe this photo actually depicts a grey (there a supposedly several different species)

B.)Does technological superiority give you "the right" to subjugate and/or manipulate a being or animal for any purpose you deem necessary?

Well, humans do it everyday so why would it be wrong for a more advanced superior race of beings to do it to us. I personally follow a code of ethics which states that : It is the responsibility of the enlightened to conduct ones self in a fashion that is peaceful and non invasive, respectful and mindful of others wishes and or opinions whether they conflict with my own beliefs or not. So, were I the alien scientist exploring a new culture I personally would try my utmost to apply these principals while doing so as to cause no harm to the subject(s) of study.

C.)Does the FACT of superior intellect suggest that concepts such as ETHICS or MORALITY are common universal ideals OR is it a purely HUMAN ideal and therefore has NO bearing on a being not from earth or should they be accountable for our CUSTOMS?

When entering another country on earth, we are responsible to adhere to that countries customs and are therefore subject to their laws and judicial system and punishments therein. I surmise that this is applied galactically and followed or recognized by all structured and peaceful civilizations. (If any exist)

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
A.) Of all the "alleged Photos or video" of the greys which do YOU think are GENUINE,if any.....

None.

B.)Does technological superiority give you "the right" to subjugate and/or manipulate a being or animal for any purpose you deem necessary?

No, but that does not mean it will not happen. Humans experiment on monkeys altough they are a lot more intelligent than rats.

C.)Does the FACT of superior intellect suggest that concepts such as ETHICS or MORALITY are common universal ideals OR is it a purely HUMAN ideal and therefore has NO bearing on a being not from earth or should they be accountable for our CUSTOMS?

They might have morals but might not apply them to us Most intelligent species including other apes do care for other members of their species and especially those that are genetically close, same for humans. This is due to natural selection. So I guess there's a good chance aliens would also have morals, but since we do not apply them to other species they might not apply theirs to us.

[edit on 3-6-2007 by DarkSide]

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
B.)Does technological superiority give you "the right" to subjugate and/or manipulate a being or animal for any purpose you deem necessary?

I don't think it gives anything the right to subjugate or manipulate other beings for any purpose... however it didn't stop white people five hundred years ago using 'primitive' Africans for slave labour. It took a long time for the world to be convinced black people should be given the same rights as everyone else.
Perhaps we are in a similar situation and must convince the rest of the galactic population we aren't just animals and deserve the same rights as them.

C.)Does the FACT of superior intellect suggest that concepts such as ETHICS or MORALITY are common universal ideals OR is it a purely HUMAN ideal and therefore has NO bearing on a being not from earth or should they be accountable for our CUSTOMS?

I think concept such as ethics and morality are a fact of superior intellect. It would be a beneficial ideal to have while evolving and would ensure that one's own species would be more likely to survive, as well as the environment around you.
However should one of the species allegedly visiting us be on the brink of extinction these concepts will be less of a factor as survival would be the main objective.

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
I will start off by answering these questions from my perspective....

A.) Of all the "alleged Photos or video" of the greys which do YOU think are GENUINE,if any.....

Only one photo do I believe is accurate. Call it a gut feeling...call it an obscure recollection.... but I believe this photo actually depicts a grey (there a supposedly several different species)

B.)Does technological superiority give you "the right" to subjugate and/or manipulate a being or animal for any purpose you deem necessary?

Well, humans do it everyday so why would it be wrong for a more advanced superior race of beings to do it to us. I personally follow a code of ethics which states that : It is the responsibility of the enlightened to conduct ones self in a fashion that is peaceful and non invasive, respectful and mindful of others wishes and or opinions whether they conflict with my own beliefs or not. So, were I the alien scientist exploring a new culture I personally would try my utmost to apply these principals while doing so as to cause no harm to the subject(s) of study.

C.)Does the FACT of superior intellect suggest that concepts such as ETHICS or MORALITY are common universal ideals OR is it a purely HUMAN ideal and therefore has NO bearing on a being not from earth or should they be accountable for our CUSTOMS?

When entering another country on earth, we are responsible to adhere to that countries customs and are therefore subject to their laws and judicial system and punishments therein. I surmise that this is applied galactically and followed or recognized by all structured and peaceful civilizations. (If any exist)

You structure the questions and then answer them yourself?
Jesus! what happening to this site?

I have raised similar thoughts in other threads. Here my current take.

A.) Of all the "alleged Photos or video" of the greys which do YOU think are GENUINE,if any.....

I doubt if any are real, but would accept with better evidence.

B.)Does technological superiority give you "the right" to subjugate and/or manipulate a being or animal for any purpose you deem necessary?

My personal belief is that is does not. The situation does bare on this.

C.)Does the FACT of superior intellect suggest that concepts such as ETHICS or MORALITY are common universal ideals OR is it a purely HUMAN ideal and therefore has NO bearing on a being not from earth or should they be accountable for our CUSTOMS?

I would like to think as life evolves that ethics become part of awareness. I wonder if it is just something earthly if indeed the greys are real. Maybe good and evil exist with all forms of life in the universe. It could be a concept brought on by religion. (but then where did religion get it?) I do suspect that the intelligence and thought process of life is not 100% unique on earth. I would think there are common and different traits in all life although the universe.

edit: fixing quotes

[edit on 6/3/2007 by roadgravel]

I'd like to adddress one of those issues, and that is the "right" of a superior civilization to subjugate/pick on/treat badly members of an inferior civilization. Whle it is quite obvious that we humans have done this over and over again in a sytematic manner, my feeling is that most of us here would say we DO NOT have this right. In other words, we do it, but we say we should not from an ethical perspective. Ideally, we should treat other races, including inferiors ones, with respect.

If you will accept for the moment Strieber's 'Communion' at face value, there is a scene in that book that is relevant. If you can't accept 'Communion,' then accept it as a fictional version of what the Greys in fact do to us. In that scene Strieber is sparring with the Greys. He says something to the effect that "You don't have the right to kidnap us like this." Their reply:

"We do have the right."

Strieber goes on to analyze how shocking this matter-of-fact reply was to him and how it shook the foundations of his belief system (Well, he always talks like that.) But from the perspective of what we like to say is an ethical way of living, it IS shocking. What this tells me is either a) There's something big about this issue that we do not understand, or b) The Greys are no more advanced from an ethical standpoint than we are.

Now, I'm sure we'll hear the usual anti-ethnocentric disclaimers about us not understandng them so how can we make a moral judgement, blah blah. I get that already. That's covered in (a) above, okay? In which case, don't judge ourselves on ethics either. Given that it's my body, in theory, that they want to experiment on, I'm not wanting to give up the feeing that they have no right to do it. And I think the entire issue puts them in a fairly bad light.

or b) The Greys are no more advanced from an ethical standpoint than we are.

or c) they don't care.