Flood of noah came from rogue planet????

Your sarcasm is noted, madness, and your condescension is coming through loud and clear. Did you have anything intelligent, useful, beneficial or even mildly noteworthy to add?
As a myth, "Noah's flood" seems to be a globally shared one with all major cultures sharing some version of the same story. Even the Discovery Channel goes to various regions and tells of flood damage in areas we don't commonly associate with humid atmospheric conditions. I believe that the Sphinx in Egypt is also said to have erosion from flood damage. Sea shells can be dug right out of high mountain peaks. Several years ago, I watched a program about a mountain climber who was in Turkey who found what is clearly a very ancient boat on the mountains of Ararat. The Turkish government forbade any further explorations of the area.

Originally posted by whitewave
Several years ago, I watched a program about a mountain climber who was in Turkey who found what is clearly a very ancient boat on the mountains of Ararat. The Turkish government forbade any further explorations of the area.

For some, mystery is a far more powerful motivator than truth. Is this possible in the case of the Turkish government and their way of dealing with their citizenry?

Of course it's possible. I merely meant to point out that settling the matter once and for all is not being allowed. But the "mystery" does give us something to argue about on this site, eh? I'd prefer the Turkish government let at least one team of explorers go check it out, carbon date, etc. and then we'd all have something KNOWN not just speculated.

Originally posted by whitewave
Your sarcasm is noted, madness, and your condescension is coming through loud and clear. Did you have anything intelligent, useful, beneficial or even mildly noteworthy to add?

yes, that THE flood theories are all bunk because we can't find

As a myth, "Noah's flood" seems to be a globally shared one with all major cultures sharing some version of the same story.

ah yes, just because we all have myths for it, it is true.

were you aware that almost every culture has a myth in which a deity steals fire from the other deities and then gives it to humans? normally this isn't a prometheus style "here guys, have fire!" story, it's a relay race.

does that mean we stole fire from the deities?

are you even aware of the works of joseph cambell into archetypal myth?

Even the Discovery Channel goes to various regions and tells of flood damage in areas we don't commonly associate with humid atmospheric conditions.

yes, the discovery channel.... bastion of intellectual honesty that it is...

I believe that the Sphinx in Egypt is also said to have erosion from flood damage.

if it did... that wouldn't mean a worldwide flood. it's fairly close to the world's largest river, it would take a major flood to get all the way to the giza plateu... but it's still feasible without a worldwide flood

Sea shells can be dug right out of high mountain peaks.

yes, because mountains today used to be at the bottom of the ocean. it's called plate tectonics. read up on the geology behind it for some fun science.

Several years ago, I watched a program about a mountain climber who was in Turkey who found what is clearly a very ancient boat on the mountains of Ararat. The Turkish government forbade any further explorations of the area.

"clearly" an ancient boat. alright, old boat on a mountain therefore juedeo-christian flood myth. you're making a massive logical jump there.

Ok. You're right and I'm wrong. I hope when I grow up into a real human being, I'm as wise, kind, well-spoken and modest as you.
Feel better? I'm going to bed now. He maketh me to lie down on 500-thread count sheets. He restoreth my beauty sleep.
Oh wait. That one may be mistranslated negating all truth in it.

Originally posted by whitewave
Ok. You're right and I'm wrong. I hope when I grow up into a real human being, I'm as wise, kind, well-spoken and modest as you.
Feel better? I'm going to bed now. He maketh me to lie down on 500-thread count sheets. He restoreth my beauty sleep.
Oh wait. That one may be mistranslated negating all truth in it.

insult: the resort of those that cannot muster up a proper answer, rebuttal, or counterpoint.

the simple fact is that, in this particular case, all the available data points towards my position being correct and your position being incorrect. it's not that i'm right, it's just that i'm seeing the proper answer using all the available data and you might just not have looked into it as deeply as i have.

edit to add just one thing: modesty is something i reserve for human interaction, not typing things out in anonymity

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cyraxx, I have done some reading on Nibiru, but when the planet never came back when believers said it would I kinda lost faith in it.

If it is true and there really is a planet that comes close to Earth so many thousands of years I can imagine that it would effect our oceans just like our own Moon effects our oceans.

Originally posted by Byrd
Civilizations have been keeping written records (readable ones) for over 5,000 years. In that time, there has been no break in the records and no worldwide reports of a flood disaster.

What about the dark ages? There is very little recorded history during this time (roughly 476 to 1000 yrs ago according to Wikipedia).

Originally posted by Stari
What about the dark ages? There is very little recorded history during this time (roughly 476 to 1000 yrs ago according to Wikipedia).

that's only in europe. throughout asia we had a large amount of recorded history. in japan we have records uninterrupted for a massive amount of things (including receipts for ninja services... as hilarious as it sounds it's true)

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
throughout asia we had a large amount of recorded history. in japan we have records uninterrupted for a massive amount of things (including receipts for ninja services... as hilarious as it sounds it's true)

Ok, this is true. And that is funny about the ninja services. I didn't know that.

Mars had a polar shift that altered its poles by 50deg. It would take a pretty significant object to make that sort of a change. And such an object could easily have affected earth at the same time.

Originally posted by jtma508
Mars had a polar shift that altered its poles by 50deg. It would take a pretty significant object to make that sort of a change. And such an object could easily have affected earth at the same time.

may i ask when? and my i have a source for further reading?

and again, there is absolutely no evidence to show that there was ever a global flood

Originally posted by Stari
cyraxx, I have done some reading on Nibiru, but when the planet never came back when believers said it would I kinda lost faith in it.

If it is true and there really is a planet that comes close to Earth so many thousands of years I can imagine that it would effect our oceans just like our own Moon effects our oceans.

Actually, no. The last time something like that happened was 4 billion years ago, and the object smacked into the Earth and created the Moon ... which was captured by Earth's gravity. We'd have noticed something like that.

What about the Dark Ages?

Records and histories didn't disappear then, and you have to remember that the Dark Ages was a condition that was only in Europe. Elsewhere, life went on and people kept on writing and exploring. This period saw the rise of the Japanese cultures and was also during the flowering of the Muslim cultures when advances in science and math were made (including several important theoretical discoveries.)

Originally posted by whitewave
As a myth, "Noah's flood" seems to be a globally shared one with all major cultures sharing some version of the same story.

That's an urban legend perpetuated by some sites. If you go into the old archives and check original stories, you'll see that flood myths around the world aren't that close to the Bible account. In the Egyptian "flood" account, the "flood" is only knee deep and is of red colored beer (to get the goddess Hathor drunk enough to calm her down and stop her from exterminating mankind.) In many other cultures, the flood myth isn't original and came instead from the Christian missionaries. Many cultures don't have flood tales.

Sea shells can be dug right out of high mountain peaks.

That's another argument put forward by some sites. What they don't tell you is that if you follow the layer of rock down the side of the mountain and do a little searching, that it was actually pushed up from an ancient sea floor.

And fossilization doesn't occur quickly. Fossilization is where the material in an animal/plant body decays and is replaced by rock. We have lots and lots of tombs with dates on them, and none of the bodies in them (or dug up from sites) has ever turned into rock in 4,000 years or 8,000 years or 30,000 years. Fossil shells are from millions and millions of years ago.

Several years ago, I watched a program about a mountain climber who was in Turkey who found what is clearly a very ancient boat on the mountains of Ararat. The Turkish government forbade any further explorations of the area.

Ah, the Ron Wyatt stuff. The program left out some information including that Turkey's set up a tourist site in the area.

And the structure's been investigated many times. It's rock, and not a ship.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
lostinspace, there isn't even any GEOLOGIC evidence of a worldwide flood. and byrd said that we've had UNINTERRUPTED records for about 5000 years.... if there was a massive flood we'd have INTERRUPTED records

It was about 6000 years ago. Plus there is records in many civilizations telling of a great flood. This includes the Jews, asian tribes, and even the American indians. Are you saying they all got together to create a mass conspiracy?

Originally posted by Ironside
It was about 6000 years ago.

How do you know that? If one accepts that veracity of the Bible then 6,000 years ago the world had only just been created! (per Bishop Usher's calculation of creation in 4004BC)

Plus there is records in many civilizations telling of a great flood. This includes the Jews, asian tribes, and even the American indians. Are you saying they all got together to create a mass conspiracy?

Considering the huge differences in the stories, and given the fact that large regional floods do occur for a variety of reasons, what do you think?

People like hearing stories about an ancestral hero escaping a great calamity. It make them feel special. Large floods are the only major natural disaster which affects all parts of the world. Flood stories also act as good 'just so' stories to explain the presence of fossils.

[edit on 15-6-2007 by Essan]

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Ironside
It was about 6000 years ago.

How do you know that? If one accepts that veracity of the Bible then 6,000 years ago the world had only just been created! (per Bishop Usher's calculation of creation in 4004BC)

Plus there is records in many civilizations telling of a great flood. This includes the Jews, asian tribes, and even the American indians. Are you saying they all got together to create a mass conspiracy?

Considering the huge differences in the stories, and given the fact that large regional floods do occur for a variety of reasons, what do you think?

People like hearing stories about an ancestral hero escaping a great calamity. It make them feel special. Large floods are the only major natural disaster which affects all parts of the world. Flood stories also act as good 'just so' stories to explain the presence of fossils.

[edit on 15-6-2007 by Essan]

Touche, I beg my leave.