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Japanese menace lay in a sinister twilight-WC

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posted on Jun, 2 2007 @ 05:50 PM
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I have been reading The Battle of Singapore by Peter Thompson and Vol 3 WW2 by Winston Churchill. And a new book Fantastic Pasts by M Wright which manong other things thinks about what would have happened to NZ in a Japanes occupation in the 1940s.
So if USA were occupied then from history we could say the results worldwide could be very dramatic.
I am looking at two different things here.
1. The historical mainstay of Japanese thinking about a WW2 that began 7/8 Dec 1941 is that once USABritianHolland cut off the oil in July 41 thus war was ineviable. So why then was the USA-British response to an highly probable war so inadequate when both British and US navies working together could have stopped it- footnotes Appendix K in Churchill vol 3 and page 164 Thompson where Navy Sec Knox and Roosevelt are on Dec 5 discussing at the White House the immenant invasion of Singapore
2. The extent to which US based authorities were deliberately intent on collapsing German French and British colonial empires to establish in it's place something that began to crop up in literature from 1942 onwards a "United Nations"

To conclude
Currently around the world there is maybe some offical activities and unofficial activities concentrating on the question of what happens when the "American Empire" comes to an end.....being dismantled or resturctured.
The history of the lead up to and the process of WW2 reveals a lot of clever oppotunism on the part of men like A Hitler and battles being fought in almost random circumstances often with suprising results...but behind it all are these plans for occupation and agendas which those planning to benefit from the conflict had (The two war time Hollywood propoganda films shown to US solidiers on Japan and Germany generally talk about historical fact when explaining in very simple terms the nature of those agendas and plans -unfortunately the Japanese and Germans did not have the intelligence and ability to make similar films about the US or British at that time...)
Thus once again as we head confidently towards a devistating WW3 there are those no doubt who have made plans and have agendas while once again there will be survivors for it is written "the righteous shall live by faith" I think Habbakuk said that in his prophecy.

Finally what gets me going so to speak- as a chinese language reader and student of Chinese communism is an article published in New Zealand in the Dec 05 investigate Magazine which comes from a Falin Gong source and is a translation of an internal highlevel PLA army discussion about the willingness of the Chinese ordinary soldier to kill off one to two hundred million innocent men women and children in USA and the (religious) enemies of the Chinese Communist Party.
So lets not hang around when maybe we should be doing things paul NZ



posted on Jun, 4 2007 @ 01:22 PM
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Pro Ernest May in his Lessons from History Oxford NY 1973 demonstrates how by using historical expereince from the imediate last/previous war politicians and military planners misjudged situations and thus the WW2 in Asia led directly into two military disasters Korea and Vietnam because comparisons had been drawn which did not equate with reality.
Thus in his Fog of War documentary The ex Ford Co Manager Macnamra who was resposnsible for the Vietnam war tells us that he never understood that the domino theory was nonsence- in other words all the time USA was in Vietnam the decison makers in Washington were operating on flawed logic and thus misinterpreting the reports of relaity (and fantasy) being fed to them.
The situation in respect of American and British responses to Japan in the late 1930s and early 40s are no different.
Lessons could have been learnt from the Japanese determination to fight a European power regardless of the cost both in money and human life from the attack on Russia in 1905... but instead the British were still fighting WW1 and fighting with the protype Talaban up on India's Northwest frontier and so they did not understand nor respect the Japanese as equals which is exactly what the Japanese were utterly determined to become.
As far as a conspiracy goes yes the failure in the Pacific so that by Dec 10th 1941 every British or US ship was either sunk or steaming for California... as far as a conspiracy goes there is a case to answer and thus there is serious elements of historical revisionism in what Churchill is saying in his account (as in the 1920s the Britsh nearly lost the Aust/NZ part of their empire and thus churchill is sensitive to justifable criticism that in letting Singapore fall he had abandoned that part of the empire)
But the other side of exactly the same coin of history is this miscalculation which allowed a potentially superior force (had it been well led) stationed in Malaya to defeat a seaborne invasion from Japan of half the number of men.
Incompetance or conspiracy.... I suggest that we are dealing with both.

Now who cares what happend in Singapore almost 70 years ago
History is bunk I couldn't agree more with you.
What I want to talk about is the current vulmerability of another current world empire- the one which has since replaced the British empire in terms of military world dominance and political power......
Can we learn anything about that empire as most people confidently worldwide see it as being in it's final days; it's inevitable collapse; and like the British in all their colonial racist glory (come on stand up and sing with me "Rule Brittania Britania rules the waves Britian never never will be slaves").....Can we learn anything from their history that could apply to us.

Conclusion: By going back several historical periods so that we are studying someone elses history and understand mentally and spiritually that the history cannot directly apply to us in a straight line situation... we can indeed "Learn Lessons From History".
By standing back and say for example reading and reading well a book like Persian Fire by Tom Holland 'the first world empire and battle for the west' we can see the scope of history the forces and determination that develops within human histroy and maybe see the spiritual side(as did
Daniel who lived at the time described in Hollands book) that is at work.

Japan did what she did in the first 50 years of the end of 19th and beginning of 20th centuries because she was driven to become a winner and by 1986-1990 had won all that she was wanting to win.
China now has a similar drive and determination and has already accepted that the 21st century is The Chinese Century (while the 20th is now called The American Century). therefore nothing as we now know it nothing at all will stay the same everything (to quote a book i read) Everything that can be shaken will be shaken,
We have history to warn us just how bad...no its worse



 
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