Hacking; now a Weapon of Mass Chaos ?!*

How efficient is the "American Way" ?

Everything that we have is in some way hooked up to the internet.
From the pentagon; to the very Traffic Lights you stop at each morning. This
morning as I was driving to work I noticed some old (50-60 year old) man standing
out beside this Concolidated Communication Truck waving his arms around like some fool
trying to direct the guy that is in the bucket raising his ownself up to the
Light. What he thought he was doing; was beyond me.

As I got into work this morning my internet was down. I called across town and
sure enough my other office on the other side of town was down as well. I can't
get into any company to take a payment or get into my own system to print off an
ID Card for my insured. Because we just switched to this "Enterprise System."
Which is supposedly so much more efficient. Well this morning I cannot even get
into my own files that normally would be stored on the system here. Yet,
with the "Enterprise System" everything is stored online.

This brought up alot of concerns for me and my business as well as America and
it's safety. As I have heard alot in the last couple of months about Company "A"
losing lots of information. Company "B" loses hundreds of thousands of peoples
information. If information is truly Power, then we are in a world of trouble.
The only one that I remember specifically this morning is Choicepoint, the only
reason that I remember that one is because I use them everyday to run "MVR"
(Motor Vehicle Reports) and Clue.

Anyways, I have been noticing little things about the internet changing, some that
may seem insignificant to most but to me it is alittle "ODD."

I noticed that the web site "Myspace" has been getting more and more popular and
as it has gotten more and more popular. Of course there has to be reprocuscions.
Such as, more advertising to be able to provide a better more efficient server and
so forth.

As all of the programs and hacking began to unfold on Myspace. It became a Tool
that alot of our soldiers used to communicate back home to thier loved ones.
Well, one day about 2 weeks ago that came to a screeching halt. I am sure that
someone else has noticed this as most of us have loved ones away at war.

Following the "Pentagon" shutting down the Soldiers use of "Myspace" over night. Three
days later they issued something that has never been proposed before. The right for the FBI
to "RAID" (at best) your computer; for any information that has ever been on your PC.

I am wondering if in all the Havoc of the war and trying to find ways for the soldiers to
communicate to the outside world. The US Government overlooked a possible way for the
enemy to infultrate the Pentagon's Mainframe and get information that even we do
not know that the government has on us.

This may all be alittle over the edge but why ask yourselfs why now ?? Why so fast ?
Why no debate about such a change in the way our information is kept safe ?

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[edit on 5/25/2007 by kinglizard]

I guess this thread is not very interesting .. Either that or it has not got the attetion that I assumed would be engaged here ....

These systems may seem like a good thing, but it can all go to hell in a matter of days. If a rival country were to hack into the US main computer systems, the results will be catastrophic. If someone were to attack our banking system, they could possibly make all money worthless. Now this is only if all money is digitized. Now I've read that there are plans to digitize all money in the US in order to have complete control over the money supply. That is a bad idea because of the reason I stated earlier. If someone were also able to hack into our military communication systems, we can literally become defenseless.

So what I mean here is that the internet can make things easier, but it opens doors to utter annihilation. So in essence, the American Way is not efficient.

You know it is funny ... I cannot even reply to this thread anymore as when I got and hit the button it says "BOARD ERROR" ... Weird stuff keeps happening to me on the web here lately especially with cookies and my Temp Internet Folder; They keep popping up old ID's that I haven't used in forever ... and I will go to a web site and hit a button and it will re route me to a web site I had been to last week ... Wierdest things ...

Anyways ... You are so right ... if the U.S. goes to digital money, we are on in for a big shock.

Not to mention the defenses that we have through our Internet Technologies. Much less how our troops on the ground communicate through GPS and Satellite Radios that are all plugged in ... that's right to the same INTERNET !!!!!!!!

My internet has been going in and out all morning long ... All I have to do is go restart my Router and it will come up again. The connection is never lost ... But there must be some sort of Prog ... Disabling peoples Cable Modems ... or Routers ... or There must be some sort of surges ... That is not allowing my computers to work right ... Anyways ... it is with CONSOLIDATED .... that may be the problem ... Although I sure hope not.

Not to mention the defenses that we have through our Internet Technologies. Much less how our troops on the ground communicate through GPS and Satellite Radios that are all plugged in ... that's right to the same INTERNET !!!!!!!!

A couple years ago, almost the entire US military and government network was hacked all because they had no password.

Pretty sad for a superpower if you think about it

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
You know it is funny ... I cannot even reply to this thread anymore as when I got and hit the button it says "BOARD ERROR" ... Weird stuff keeps happening to me on the web here lately especially with cookies and my Temp Internet Folder;


I recently made a thread that contained possible proof that ATS has been comprimised by the shadow government. And it got deleted less than 18 hours after it was made.

Now that just makes me wonder....

cyber terrorists


At first it would be no more than a nuisance. No burning skyscrapers, no underground explosions, just a million electronic irritations up and down the land.

Thousands of government web pages suddenly vanish to be replaced with the Internet's version of the Testcard - that dreaded screen '404 - Not Found' or, more amusingly, some pastiche or parody.

Then the Labour website starts to promise a wholesale renationalisation of the railways. The popular response this generates turns to amusement then bemusement as everything from Jaguar to BT is, the sites claim, to be taken back into state hands.

When conservatives.org.uk starts to promise compulsory repatriation and the return of capital punishment, bemusement turns to alarm.

The disruption continues: thousands of popular websites, from eBay to YouTube, start malfunctioning or are replaced by malicious parodies.

Tens of millions of pounds are wiped off the share price of companies like Amazon as fears grow that the whole Internet credit card payment network is now vulnerable and insecure.

Eventually, reports start to flood in that hundreds of thousands of personal bank accounts have been raided overnight.

Panicked bank chiefs and PR men go on TV to try to reassure, promising that this is no more than an electronic glitch, but thousands of anxious citizens take to the streets, many in tears, and pour angrily into the banks to demand their savings in cash.

When the ATM system goes down, the government steps in. A task force is appointed. There is a rush on hard cash that leads to a shortage of notes and coins.

Soon, it is clear that the United Kingdom (and much of Europe) has been subjected to a sustained and effective cyber-terrorist attack. Disaster is narrowly avoided when a series of sophisticated viruses disrupt the workings of the National Air Traffic Control System.

Slowly, the computer network is disinfected; the viruses, botnets and worms that are the electronic versions of bombs and bullets are defused and rendered harmless. No one has died, but the attack has cost Britain £10bn, and share prices take months to recover.

Such a scenario, say some experts, is not only possible but likely in the near future.

If you bank online, best keep an eye on your account.

read the rest here
www.prisonplanet.com...





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Downfall or not ?!?

Hmmm these scenario`s are a real threat to national security`s in the USA and Europe because we are so far developed that we only can fall instead off rising and iff you have an army off hackers ready to destroy the economy off your enemy`s then it is quit a danger.

Recently the Estonian goverment sites where strucken hard by simple virusses send by some Russian hackers.

Iff Russia or China has a proffessional army off Hackers then they disrupt the entire western economy and possibley crash it harder then the 1930 crash. Imagine the uproar casused by simple bits and bytes....

WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF A GLOBAL WAR, WHETHER IT BE INTERNET HACKING AND PIRACY, TO MANUAL TERRORISM( CAR BOMBS AND ETC..) TO THE BREAKDOWN IN POWER AND TYRANNY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THE WORLD ON THE VERGE OF A GLOBAL COLLAPSE AND IF YOU BRING IN THE IDEA OF GLOBAL WARMING WE COULD ALL BE DEAD BY THE YEAR 2015. HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT WHEN YOU CANT GET ON THE INTERNET IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU ARE DISASSOCIATED FROM THE REST OF THE POPULATION, OR IF YOUR CELL PHONE DOESNT HAVE A SIGNAL FOR YOU TO TEXT AND RECEIVE CALLS? WE HAVE BEEN MIND#ED BY THE INTRODUCTION OF THE INTERNET AND NEW TECHNOLOGY TO THE POINT WHERE WE FEEL VIRTUALLY HELPLESS IF THE FORM OF COMMUNICATION WE ARE USED TO SUDDENLY IS UNAVAILABLE.

NOW I'M SAYING THE WORLD WILL END TOMORROW, BY NO MEANS CONTINUE TO GO TO WORK CONTINUE TO DO ALL THE NORMAL THINGS A PERSON IN THIS CIVILIZATION WOULD DO. BUT I WOULD DEF START STOCKPILING CANNED FOOD, SUGAR, OIL AND BREAD BEFORE THE COLLAPSE OF CIVILIZATION IS UPON US AND THE GOVT. ISSUES AND ORDER FOR MARTIAL LAW!

well i know that the government shut down soldiers acces to myspace overseas, because younger soldiers were posting how they did rounds....when they did them...what they looked for .....and just daily life...

also they shut it off at the workplace....because it's a workplace and not a mingle on the internet place.....

the airforce has also recently stood up the very first offensive hacking squadron....

In the military there should DEFINATELY be a formal form of censorship, just for OPSEC standards to be maintained. The governmental agencies (CSIS, CIA, NSA, FBI, NRO etc. etc.) need to have better security in place. If a 16 year old Spanish kid can get into the mainframe of a nuclear naval base, what can a truly experience hacker do?

I wouldn't say Hacking is a weapon of mass chaos, so some teen gets "hacked" or keylogged and can't play his game, boohoo, there are few instances where people are actually able to wreak havoc on systems because as soon as they do get in, they're almost instantly located and hunted down.

Originally posted by DigitalPirate
In the military there should DEFINATELY be a formal form of censorship, just for OPSEC standards to be maintained. The governmental agencies (CSIS, CIA, NSA, FBI, NRO etc. etc.) need to have better security in place. If a 16 year old Spanish kid can get into the mainframe of a nuclear naval base, what can a truly experience hacker do?

I wouldn't say Hacking is a weapon of mass chaos, so some teen gets "hacked" or keylogged and can't play his game, boohoo, there are few instances where people are actually able to wreak havoc on systems because as soon as they do get in, they're almost instantly located and hunted down.

oooh...somebody knows the opsec word!!

sometimes it frustrates me tho that we have no myspace...cause none of my friends use email anymore...so the time that i'm gone, i only talk to my wife and me mum.....

can i get a refrence on the 16 year old kid thing?

Ah, my mistake, he was 18 years old.

edition.cnn.com...

Originally posted by DigitalPirate
Ah, my mistake, he was 18 years old.

edition.cnn.com...

it happens...i cant hack...but i sure can mess with people...on a lan....i'm still learning......

thanks for the link by the way.....

What happens when those people that are hacking use "Proxy Servers" that are in another location. Of course it is trackable but ... not as near as easy ....

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Of course it is trackable but ... not as near as easy ....

Its hard to track if you are a civilian. International 'Cyber-Terrorism' Grade Hackers...as well as the Government hackers, can back track or by-pass proxy systems in seconds to days...depending on who is doing the backtrack.

It is a 'sniper' situation... the "I see you, you see me..."

Hacker->Proxy1->Proxy2->Proxies->Final-Proxy->Hacked Server
Hacker sends AND receives through the proxies. The 2nd and so on Proxy only knows where the to and from on a one to one basis is. However, if you back-track...

Server says F-Proxy hacked me. F-Proxy points to the previous Proxy. That Proxy points to the next...etc... back to the Hacker.

OR Govt. can use the Govt-Back-Door system of finding a hacker


Don't forget Internet 2 may or may not be released in 2015. This brings out infinity IP numbers and beyond-Government Grade speeds to the common user....

Originally posted by Foxe

Don't forget Internet 2 may or may not be released in 2015. This brings out infinity IP numbers and beyond-Government Grade speeds to the common user....

the government is already using internet 2....so they will have some other network by then...

True, True...but still. More power to common folk.