Iran: US attack equals world war III

Time seems to be key, and there comes a point when its to late. Preemptive defense has always been difficult to explain to the general public. In the case of Iran, the western world has no choice but to put a stop to the iranian enrichment program, why, because they will use it for nuclear blackmail, for example they could pop a missile over the saudi arabian oilfields, what happens then, we all ride horses and bicycles. There are so many things they will be able to do us, (europe & north america), once they have enough enriched material in a few years. Well either this situation needs to be taken care of soon, or this world will really regret having waited to long. If russia and china dont understand, then it would only prove they always were an enemy anyways, its a shame the public dont understand whats really at issue, anyways, love the posts I just read, it seems like most agree we cant just sit back and wait for something terrible to happen because of what Iran could do to us in a few years. It will be to late by then. My personal opinion is that it will be to late by the end of the summer, they will be hiding uranium in lead boxes all over the place by then.

Does anybody know how long it will take the Iranians to produce enough uranium with there 1300 declared centrafuges to weapons grade standard? For a weapon? I was just wondering about the time frame.

[edit on 30-5-2007 by Id123]

No answers? Well if anybody has idears let me know please

I have been waiting for the US to attack Iran for almost 4 or 5 years now, once we streamrolled through Iraq, it would have been wise to move in to Iran, as well as Sryria. Less then 6 months into Iraq we had already started to send spy drones into Iran, and we have been preping for far too long.

Why would it be a good idear?

Well I'm looking forward to a full scale war between the U.S. and Iran. WW3 is overdue and all I can say to that is it's about time. Activity suggests that there will be a high probability that the U.S. will make a pre-emptive attack on Iran, and this would be a smart move for the U.S. because Iran is still in the moment of prepping itself for nuclear war and has made it a goal. The population of Iran by large despise the U.S. and this is demonstrated by their weekly anti-U.S. rallies their own government sponsors. I can't wait to see Iran on fire.

You might be right! Time will tell overdue? Maybe. Still its not the greatest of thoughts that I will even have BOOM

Originally posted by laiguana
You think it's stupid for the U.S. to take pre-emptive measures against a nation that is already determined to go to war with us?

It's in my opinion ALWAYS stupid to take pre-emptive action that involves a attack over sovereign borders. I do not want to live in a world where any cross border operation can ever be justified by means of some appeal to international 'law'

Why do you have this belief that Iran is determined to go to war with the US and how do expect them to win such a war? Does the people who know they have absolutely no chance of winning normally attack the people they can't beat and what in the historic record of humanity gave you this impression?

Of course they're only trying to build up their arsenal of nuclear weapons at the moment,

They have no nuclear stockpile to build on and if they ever required such the Russians could provide them however many they needed. It makes no sense for Iran , having a mutual defense pact with Russia, to attempt building nuclear weapons and as things stand there is no evidence that they are.

until then they have them, they'll try to stall a war as much as possible.

There is no way the Iranians could produce a nuclear and industrial infrastructure that could support enough nuclear weapons to confront the United States without still losing hands down.

Going to war with Iran promptly would be much more efficient for the United States then waiting for it later, when they are set and ready to launch nuclear attacks on our soil.

Why not rather invest in proper security procedures that could prevent nuclear weapons from ever being smuggled into the United States considering how long it will take the Iranians to develop A functional ICBM force? As it stands any number of nations could simply drive in the warheads to select locations all over the US without the aid of any missile technology and until such threats are addressed no one should take the accusations and 'logic' for invasion seriously.

Originally posted by laiguana
Well I'm looking forward to a full scale war between the U.S. and Iran. WW3 is overdue and all I can say to that is it's about time.

Well you must have your bunker ready then as the nuclear weapons will be coming from Russian silo's and aircraft/submarines and in overwhelming numbers. Why do you have such a interest in starting a war that will at best kill millions?

Activity suggests that there will be a high probability that the U.S. will make a pre-emptive attack on Iran, and this would be a smart move for the U.S. because Iran is still in the moment of prepping itself for nuclear war and has made it a goal.

Such complete nonsense... A pre-emptive attack on Iran will have nothing to do with their nuclear industry and everything to do with their oil industry and how they have now decided to trade with the world.

The population of Iran by large despise the U.S. and this is demonstrated by their weekly anti-U.S. rallies their own government sponsors.

Please provide me with the sources that led you to believe this lunacy as fact.

I can't wait to see Iran on fire.

It's a good thing that you have a minority view as humanity would be better off without minds that comes to such conclusions.

Stellar

[edit on 3-6-2007 by StellarX]

Originally posted by widukindHH15gran
Time seems to be key, and there comes a point when its to late. Preemptive defense

Pre-emptive 'defense' being one of those oxy-moronically ideas that arises from watching too much Fox i suppose? How can you attack someone in 'defense' and them claim it was a response to a attack they never made? I do not want to live in a world where countries invaded each other based on the notion of pre-emptive defense and i do have the suspicion that those who advocate it believes they are too strong to be attacked anyways which raises obvious and interesting contradictions.

has always been difficult to explain to the general public.

Might we presume that such is due to the public having minds of their own knowing full well that they are the one's who suffer the consequences of such expansionist policies? It's 'difficult' to explain because it makes absolutely no sense.

In the case of Iran, the western world has no choice but to put a stop to the iranian enrichment program, why, because they will use it for nuclear blackmail, for example they could pop a missile over the saudi arabian oilfields, what happens then, we all ride horses and bicycles.

There is yet no evidence that Iran is actively pursuing a nuclear arsenal or even a nuclear weapon and there are far easier ways to shut down the Saudi-Arabian oil fields than using nuclear weapons and turning the world against you. It also happens to be a fact that the US has enough domestic oil supplies in just three of four states to last another three hundred years which they have chosen not use for imperial purposes( what better excuse to attack others than for vital resources you pretend not to have) that might be slightly believable.

The country that is now going around the world attempting to restrict oil production is not Iran but in fact the United States.

There are so many things they will be able to do us, (europe & north america), once they have enough enriched material in a few years.

There is no evidence that they could have in fact have nuclear weapons in 'a few years' and even less that they could effectively change geopolitics with it. Both France and Britain have the capacity to destroy Iran so there really is no threat.

Well either this situation needs to be taken care of soon, or this world will really regret having waited to long.

Speak for yourself please. The generally sane population of the planet are rarely in favour of attacking people that has never attacked them.

If russia and china dont understand, then it would only prove they always were an enemy anyways,

They are allied with Iran and will only exploit a American attack for their own strategic ends. Russia and China are very much enemies of the American national security apparatus and it's foreign policy goals.

its a shame the public dont understand whats really at issue,

The 'public' do but i suppose a rabid keyboard warrior like yourself do not.

anyways, love the posts I just read, it seems like most agree we cant just sit back and wait for something terrible to happen because of what Iran could do to us in a few years.

Talk about selective reasoning; are we reading the same thread?

It will be to late by then.

Possible too late ( if they say somehow get nuclear weapons) for the US national security state people to intimidate Iran into giving up it's oil exports or national sovereignty without risking some Iranian retribution. They still will not be able to do much to Europe or anyone else but they wont be the sole victims they are likely to be at this time.

My personal opinion is that it will be to late by the end of the summer,

And as with most opinions that are devoid of factual content it's a pretty damn ignorant one...

they will be hiding uranium in lead boxes all over the place by then.

Right! It's always interesting to note how 'enemies' of the US can stage elaborate conspiracies while the US government are never to be distrusted when it comes to these life and death issues.

Stellar

I won't address any of your opinions...however...A minority view? I must disagree with that. Assuming the U.N. represents the will of the people then this cannot be ignored:

The United Nations Security Council unanimously votes on Saturday at U.N. headquarters to approve a resolution imposing sanctions against Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Not like it matters, this war will happen, just like Iraq happened.

Will Russia involve itself?..Most likely in an indrect manner. They would much rather observe the ability of their sponsored arsenal against U.S. forces; but if or when they do...it would bring WW3 to a full circle. And then we will get the surprises.

If the U.S. goes to war with Iran, I am going to move to Sweden. Thank god for dual citizenship!

Originally posted by laiguana
I won't address any of your opinions...however...A minority view?

Sure.

I must disagree with that. Assuming the U.N. represents the will of the people then this cannot be ignored:

It does not....

The United Nations Security Council unanimously votes on Saturday at U.N. headquarters to approve a resolution imposing sanctions against Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

And the article above ( and the UN resolution) is perfectly logical as it only seeks to prevent Iran from exporting/importing nuclear materials which they as far as i can tell do not intend to do.

Not like it matters, this war will happen, just like Iraq happened.

And if it does it will be a even bigger disaster for both the US army and the Iranian people.

Will Russia involve itself?..Most likely in an indrect manner. They would much rather observe the ability of their sponsored arsenal against U.S. forces; but if or when they do...it would bring WW3 to a full circle.

They already know what the US armed forces are capable of ( you can watch CNN after all ) and the benefit they derive stems from the ever more isolated US who is fast losing it's force projection abilities.

And then we will get the surprises.

The American people already are and i think it's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

Stellar

I gotta agree with your last post StellarX, we are in for a whole lot more in the US

Ohh and as i have said in other forums, if i detract from a serious argument with my posts i apologize. The reason most of my posts dont contain a useful opinion or facts ( most not all of them ) is because i dont know enough about the topic at hand, but i read it because i find it enlightening and intriguing. Thanks to all at ATS for your time.

I agree its like seperating the wheat from the chaff! Dammed if we do dammed if we dont?

Hey y'all

First i would like to state that everything HAS to be done to insure that a other WW doesnt happen. We have evolved to a point that there is bound to happen something somewhere. I grew up in Belgium we were right in the middle of ww1 and ww2 . I ve always been interrested in both wars. Looking at both sides of the wars its seems clear to all of us that every country involved had benefits from a war. But losses were massive to, from all sides.

But....
If you ask me , today if we move on in a new WW losses gonna be huge
Most of u guys see Europe as a lame duck sitting to be killed, but i hope u see the benefit of: Every EU country hold specialized forces ( like us Belgians are used by US to clean up landmines and those sea mines). I'm pretty sure the alliance between EU countries will stay for quitte awhile and maybe even until SitX. And i hope 1 day we will together with US ,Asia and Russia will form a solid front an clean out al Evil in the world.
Call it the NWO or call it NATO in dont care . It seems clear were nowhere on finding a solution, as this thread has clearly shown opinions are bound to be different.

I do hope something is gonna happen in the near future in the middle east but i hope it wont be its destruction. Maybe something like a invasion by the alliance i proposed above. They could invade every country in days resistance would be minimal if it was happening that massive .

As far as I know the US has done many great deeds for the world, Still is this a case of give with one hand take with the other. I get the feeling this really could be the big one, Lets hope I am wrong

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[edit on 14/6/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Now, I won't get into whether or not I believe everything that is said here but the person who wrote this does make a good point.

"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?

If you are fighting a war on terror why aren't US forces in Spain fighting ETA?

Why didn't the US fight the IRA?

Why aren't you taking on the Tamil Tigers?

Why is the US discouraging Turkey from carrying out operations in Northern Iraq against Kurdish terrorists who are killing its people?

Why aren't you fighting terror acts in Angola, Chad, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe and Sudan?

What makes your version of God any more superior than anyone elses?

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

What if you are an atheist?

And what if you live outside the US? What about British forces, Soviet Forces etc?


[edit on 14/0607/07 by neformore]

I have know idear why, I bet we will fine out though