New theory of Stonehenge--ancient crop circle

I was intrigued at one time by crop circles when I was younger, but I've seen people on television construct beautiful circles, and people come forward admitting that they were doing it just for hoaxes.

I believe in ETs as much as you fellas, but I haven't really seen anything to lead me to believe that they aren't constructed by men.

Originally posted by realyweely
If you lived in the UK you would be well aware of the 2 old men who openly admitted they were the first to make the geometric cropcircles and they even demonstrated on camera how they did it and how they got in and out without detection. You would also be aware of 4 university students who were prosecuted for criminal damages in the 90's.

I quite agree that many, if not most, of circles were faked. I wonder if you could address the crop circle in the first message that looks very much like a Mandelbrot set. It's very detailed and symmetrical. I should imagine the surveying necessary to create such precise patterns would be a trick in itself, not to mention the beauty of the thing. Surely two old men with a couple of planks couldn't create THAT circle in a night of darkness? That's a lot of work! Any idea how it was done?

Originally posted by nidhogge
I was intrigued at one time by crop circles when I was younger, but I've seen people on television construct beautiful circles, and people come forward admitting that they were doing it just for hoaxes.

I believe in ETs as much as you fellas, but I haven't really seen anything to lead me to believe that they aren't constructed by men.

this is basically how i am. i used to think they were cool, but now that you don't see them that much anymore, it makes you wonder if it was just a hot, and common hoax that has gone out of style.

^You don't see them anymore because they're not in the mainstream media.
Doesn't mean they're not still happening. In fact they are getting more complex every year.

2006 Crop Circles

These hoaxers seem to travel a lot, circles are appearing all over the UK...

Such an elaborate hoax and no one has been caught, or come fwd to admit it?

Crop Circle Alphabet

Originally posted by ANOK

OK how do you bend the stalks at the node without breaking them? One at a time I can maybe see, but a complex 'circle' that has many other anomalies? C'mon, what reality do you live in?

And again I'm not saying they were done by aliens, did you actually read my post? I have no idea and no theory on how they're done. As I said before, don't dismiss something because you think somebodies theory of their origin is 'silly'.

Weaving...



More here

If you all think it's so easy go replicate this then...



And remember we need bent nodes, not broken, we need no sign of human involvement (and no, walking between the plants don't work lol). We need to see the weaving and the the 3D effect, and the other anomalies associated with real crop circles. Can you do that?

[edit on 20/5/2007 by ANOK]

Ok you call it weaving I call it overlapping lol.

And how are you so sure the nodes will break? Personal experience?

Yes if I had the time I could replicate them, might be hard but im sure I could if I tried hard enough.

We are very capable of anything.


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Im not dismissing this im just saying its silly to think aliens are doing this.

And you must be saying aliens are doing some of them because you

argue humans are not doing all of them, what gives.

Earth2^

Those supposed crop circles are publicity stunts and photoshop. The Indian in particular surely never even existed--look at the road wrapping around it--it's photoshop. You have CGI crop circles popping up in advertising fairly commonly these days.

On one level you are right, crop circles can be man-made and no doubt hoaxers have done some very elaborate and convincing fakes. But they can be detected as fakes by the lack of the anomalies ANOK has listed.

Like UFOs, the fakery provides a safe haven and useful tool for skeptics/debunkers. It's easy to casually glance at the subject and dismiss it because of them.

But also like UFOs, there is a dedicated group of researchers who study them, and who can provide solid evidence, a profile of physical proof left at the site that is based on decades of research and which is consistent from case to case, that easily separates the fakes from the real ones.

Originally posted by earth2
Why in the world would an ALIEN use crop circles as a way of communicating or whatever??
Wouldnt they use simpler means of communicating?
They have to be very inteligent and I dont think they would tease us with cryptic messages. Its just so silly.

They give foreign messages to visitors here.A lot of what they imprint into the fields is heiroglyphic imagery of stored images in the back of the brain.The subconscious is there for a reason.A lot of those holographic designs illuminate the subconscious into the conscious brain.It is the 'Universal language' printed out into writing.We all understand it, its just the physical body gets entangled into trying to decode it.Just viewing it opens up cellar images of a times past.A lot of them are to illuminate the light body/spirit.Its like it opens up avenues of the brain that were laying dormant, the spiritual helix in humans.It helps decode your past.

Originally posted by menguard


They give foreign messages to visitors here.A lot of what they imprint into the fields is heiroglyphic imagery of stored images in the back of the brain.The subconscious is there for a reason.A lot of those holographic designs illuminate the subconscious into the conscious brain.It is the 'Universal language' printed out into writing.We all understand it, its just the physical body gets entangled into trying to decode it.Just viewing it opens up cellar images of a times past.A lot of them are to illuminate the light body/spirit.Its like it opens up avenues of the brain that were laying dormant, the spiritual helix in humans.It helps decode your past.

It is a universal language I agree, its called Art.
I think they are very beautiful but they don't open up any "past" feelings when I see them. Feelings yes.
Why not just draw a picture of a man and a UFO.
Now that would open up some deep cellar images in the back of my brain I bet.

Originally posted by earth2

Originally posted by menguard


They give foreign messages to visitors here.A lot of what they imprint into the fields is heiroglyphic imagery of stored images in the back of the brain.The subconscious is there for a reason.A lot of those holographic designs illuminate the subconscious into the conscious brain.It is the 'Universal language' printed out into writing.We all understand it, its just the physical body gets entangled into trying to decode it.Just viewing it opens up cellar images of a times past.A lot of them are to illuminate the light body/spirit.Its like it opens up avenues of the brain that were laying dormant, the spiritual helix in humans.It helps decode your past.

It is a universal language I agree, its called Art.
I think they are very beautiful but they don't open up any "past" feelings when I see them. Feelings yes.
Why not just draw a picture of a man and a UFO.
Now that would open up some deep cellar images in the back of my brain I bet.

Its 'Spiritual Networking' on a world wide basis.Their up there on the big screen for a reason, many will view it.These crop circles help open energy circuits.Its always done in stages, because the masses would be overwhelmed, it would be like getting to much voltage/information in one outlet, eventually it would short circuit or malfunction.There has been a picture of an extraterrestrial being on two crop circles.But yes that is the gist, we are headed to the final frontier space/consciousness.

Originally posted by earth2

It is a universal language I agree, its called Art.
I think they are very beautiful but they don't open up any "past" feelings when I see them. Feelings yes.
Why not just draw a picture of a man and a UFO.
Now that would open up some deep cellar images in the back of my brain I bet.

I must say I look at them and find many quite beautiful and impressive, and indeed they are art, but what I find most fascinating and disturbing is the lack of any coherent explanation about their meaning.

A few--the ET portraits--carried specific messages, but frankly I don't know if they are considered real or hoaxes. And most sites I've visited are little more than photo galleries.

I've yet to come upon any thoughtful study of what these images mean. if anyone has a link, it would be much appreciated.

I'm sure you can find what you're looking for here...

Crop Circles

Originally posted by earth2
Im not dismissing this im just saying its silly to think aliens are doing this.
And you must be saying aliens are doing some of them because you
argue humans are not doing all of them, what gives.

Again with the aliens. READ MY POST. I have not said I believe it's aliens.

Just because humans are not doing it, it doesn't automatically mean I believe aliens are..

It could be some kind of physical anomaly we know nothing about.

And again it's rediculase to dismiss something because you think the theories about it are silly. Especially when there is evidence they can not be man-made without the use of extensive layout work and tools, which would be impossible to do in the middle of the night in a few hours with boards and flashlights.

At the end of the 1998 season they were commissioned by Yell to construct a simple roulette of 100 circles (left), which became part of a debunking programme by the BBC, who stipulated that they should make this in a popular area of Wiltshire to prove that humans cannot get caught hoaxing crop circles. As it turns out, they were caught within the first few minutes of their endeavour, proving just how hard it is to hoax patterns in the English countryside. Even in the dark.
The final design, based on straighforward ninefold geometry, failed to reproduce any of the unusual biophysical and electromagnetic features already proved to exist in the real phenomenon; even the geometry itself is flawed. Despite the hit-and -miss result, this is Team Satan/the circlemakers best attempt at generating a pattern that almost fits the unalterable laws of sacred geometry, although it has taken them five years to get this far.

Source

People who claim to be making the crop circles are the hoaxers.

ANOK^

Interesting site debunking the debunkers.

These two paragraphs are relevant as well:

Further evidence uncovered by researcher Lucy Pringle adds to the scam. The originator of the article, reporter Sam Taylor, appears not to exist. Queries to Ms. Taylor are re-directed to the Daily Mirror, specifically the desk of Graham Brough. Long-time followers of crop circles will know this man as the creator of Doug and Dave, another crop circle scam story. Readers are encouraged to ring up both newspapers and demand to know why this obvious deception has been perpetrated at the expense of the public.

Doug and Dave were the two retirees who supposedly had started the crop circle phenomenon as a lark. The Daily Mail has been promoting the hoaxers.

Genuine crop circles contain traceable electromagnetic energy (in the mid to high MHz range), which ally with biological and brainwave states (these would be responsible for the changes in chromosomes in crop circles plants, and for the range of physiological affects on visitors); microwave however operates in the GHz range and tends to leave plants and soil sterile. Technology capable of transmitting coded information at such a range was recently switched on in Alaska, under the U.S. military's secret project HAARP. Not yet provable, but it's just a thought...

I speculated earlier about HAARP and Tesla technology as being involved in their production, and was fascinated to come across this.

Originally posted by gottago
I speculated earlier about HAARP and Tesla technology as being involved in their production, and was fascinated to come across this.

That is interesting. I have always thought they might be something to do with HAARP or satellite technology or something, but I have no idea how they could make them using that technology. I think that 'chemtrails' might have something to do with HAARP also (weather modification).

HAARP

It would make sense why the authorities want the public to think they're hoaxes.

They (Doug & Dave) have since became media celebrities despite not being able to produce any of the anomalies associated with genuine crop circles. Researcher George Wingfield eventually traced their original story to a company in Somerset that carries out research on top secret military projects.

Doug & Dave

[edit on 22/5/2007 by ANOK]

Originally posted by ANOK

It could be some kind of physical anomaly we know nothing about.

And again it's rediculase to dismiss something because you think the theories about it are silly. Especially when there is evidence they can not be man-made without the use of extensive layout work and tools, which would be impossible to do in the middle of the night in a few hours with boards and flashlights.

Thats a little silly and easy calling it a physical anomaly. What exactly are you talking about? Dont you think these anomalys would be elsewhere on this planet besides crops if they (physical anomaly) existed?

Im using real life experiences to make my determination that they are manmade.

And your evidence is silly. One group " satans whatever" is your evidence they are not manmade?

You should give man a little more credit. We are very capable of doing this in one night.

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Im not dismissing anything because I realize anything is possible however I try to use a little common sense also.

Treat it as a CSI, just because its evidence doesnt mean its fact.

Originally posted by earth2
Thats a little silly and easy calling it a physical anomaly. What exactly are you talking about?

Give me a break, I'm just pointing out that not everyone assumes it is aliens making circles...

What I meant was it could be something physical, of this planet, that's making them, not aliens.

And actually 'circles' have been found all over the world and on different surfaces like ice for example. Maybe you need to read some more before insulting people for their opinions?

And you still haven't explained how the physical anomalies of the circles can be done by guys with string and boards. If it's so easy lets see the one you made.

International Crop Circle Database

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by gottago
I speculated earlier about HAARP and Tesla technology as being involved in their production, and was fascinated to come across this.

That is interesting. I have always thought they might be something to do with HAARP or satellite technology or something, but I have no idea how they could make them using that technology. I think that 'chemtrails' might have something to do with HAARP also (weather modification).

HAARP

It would make sense why the authorities want the public to think they're hoaxes.

Tom Beardon has been a proponent of the Russians having developed Tesla's scalar principles into a functional system since the 70s. In theory, such an array has the ability to pinpoint EM waves to any point on the globe and could easily create a crop circle.

Pure speculation (but hey, that's why we're here) but it could be that the first circles were simply tests to see if the system was functioning at distance, and the English crop fields provided a convenient sketch pad for verification. It worked, and they also got the bonus of creating the crop circle controversy, and so they kept at it, a kind of cold war game that took on a life of its own.

Beardon also claims that scalar tech has become more widespread, has even fallen into private hands, and HAARP/ELF is one verified variant/offshoot and that we have secret weather wars going on as well.

There are a number of sites including Beardon's with screenshots of pure geometrical figures--circles, hexagons, etc--popping up in cloud formations caught by weather tracking satellites.




Oh, and here's a link to an article in the Indianapolis Star for those who won't believe this sort of thing unless it appears in an MSM newspaper.

[edit on 23-5-2007 by gottago]

Is it just me or does that look like a typical radar anomonly.
My weather man here in florida always has them on his screen.

I think that weather screen you have is a patched network and that local channel had a radar problem. Not a radr expert.

Originally posted by earth2
Is it just me or does that look like a typical radar anomonly.
My weather man here in florida always has them on his screen.

I think that weather screen you have is a patched network and that local channel had a radar problem. Not a radr expert.

Well, these "anomalies" come in various shapes and sizes, not just circles.

You also have linear sweeps that then alter moisture/front patterns recorded afterward, often on a continental scale. Obviously not a glitch, since it actually does change weather patterns.