re-arming Iraq

right now the US is in the process of rearming Iraq
and have just about armed 2000+ with M-16s

so what goodies will the US give to Iraq
fully knowing in a couple years that the country will most likely stab the US in the back like all others before it

[edit on 18-5-2007 by bodrul]

You said it, every one I talk to about Iraq, I tell that very same thing, Ive said it before and I still stand by it, I supported the Invasion and the ousting of a "potential" threat (Saddam and his regime).
I do not however support the occupation and re-armament of that country, for the very reasons you stated, IMHO after we completed our primary goal (which we accomplished in mere days) We should have pulled out of the country, and instead of continuing the never ending cycle that is the middle east, Let them spend the next decade rebuilding there own country, Instead of focusing all there man power on attacking us..
And when they finally do come back out of the stone age, And try there # again, Bomb em right back to the stone age. repeat as many times as necessary until these morons quit dicking around and get with the program.

They live in an area and civilization that is older than any other, Yet after all this time, they have yet to change there ways, while cultures much younger have grown far beyond the ways of barbarism,

Screw em.

[edit on 18-5-2007 by C0le]

Originally posted by C0le
Screw em.

[edit on 18-5-2007 by C0le]

Well that's not re-arming them is it.

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Hey one question comes to my mind, and it's a bit more from the economic perspective....

Which of these would be the better financial choice for the US;

a. Supplying the Iraqies with purchased "russian" made weapons and tech It's cheap and widely available for sale from many countries.

OR

b. Supplying Iraq with American weapons. This could be a profit for the US.


regards,
Maestro

Simple, they want middle east to explode into World War 3, as planned long ago and all is going according to this master plan, since people are unaware of it and ignorant too much anyway. In World War 3 most victims will be in among Arabs and Israel. USA will use Iraq since they are already there, for oil, geostrategic position and Babylon.

Right now main objective in Iraq is NOT to finish the war but to divide people as much as possible and push them into civil war. This way aggression is redirected and later UN and USA will offer solution to this problem.

Edit: sorry for deviating off the topic, i described my theory why stones are used while you are talking about shape and colors of them.

[edit on 20-5-2007 by 64738]

AGH. Stick to the subject guys. Whatever the US has in mind in the future for Iraq and the middle east, and weather you justify the invasion or not IS IRRELEVANT. The US is tasked with re-arming Iraq atm weather they like it or not, and they are doing it atm. Now we are trying to discuss what it would take to re-arm it; resources, $$$, procedures, etc.

Regards,
Maestro

Here is a very good, in depth article on Wiki about the new Iraqi Army...

Seems it is to have 9 infantry divisions and 1 mechanized infantry division consisting of 36 brigades and 112 battalions. They have refurbished T-72's from Hungary, as well as donated APC's and IFV's from Jordan and other States.

Doesn't look like they're getting anything fancy from the US.

Their Air Force is entirely made up of Helicopters. They do not have a single Fast jet or Transport aircraft in service, although some are reported to be in storage. Future contracts appear to primarily helicopter based as well.

Their navy is alot of small, fast patrol boats and that's about it. Not worth mentioning as they'd get creamed in 5 minutes against Bolivia, let alone anyone else.

Originally posted by stumason
Here is a very good, in depth article on Wiki about the new Iraqi Army...

Seems it is to have 9 infantry divisions and 1 mechanized infantry division consisting of 36 brigades and 112 battalions. They have refurbished T-72's from Hungary, as well as donated APC's and IFV's from Jordan and other States.

Doesn't look like they're getting anything fancy from the US.

Their Air Force is entirely made up of Helicopters. They do not have a single Fast jet or Transport aircraft in service, although some are reported to be in storage. Future contracts appear to primarily helicopter based as well.

Their navy is alot of small, fast patrol boats and that's about it. Not worth mentioning as they'd get creamed in 5 minutes against Bolivia, let alone anyone else.

What do you expect? We went in and destroyed their military completely. Twice.

While I dislike Saddam Hussein, he did retain some good features. One of these features was that he kept an iron fist over his military, and during Desert Storm is military was probably one of the most powerful in the region.

The Iran-Iraq war caused saddam to build up his military greatly. Here is a chart that shows weapons of iraq pre and post Iran-Iraq war:

en.wikipedia.org...

Wait what do you mean Jordan and other nearby countries donated APCs. You don't just donate APCs and such...do you?

By the way are any of the old miltary officers and generals and such allowed back in the army? if yes do they keep their rank?

Regards,
Maestro

Originally posted by maestro46
Wait what do you mean Jordan and other nearby countries donated APCs. You don't just donate APCs and such...do you?

By the way are any of the old miltary officers and generals and such allowed back in the army? if yes do they keep their rank?

Regards,
Maestro

Yes and Yes to both questions.

First, if you happen to have equipment your not using, then why not donate it? Or, if you have to, sell it to them at an "affordable" price... Britain usually offloads old warships to other countries at budget rates, so why not a few tanks? Iraq did have, prior to the invasion, quite a stockpile of Chieftains and other British tanks.. Not sure what happened to them though. Probably got destroyed in the invasion.

Secondly, provided the former officers aren't accused of crimes, then they have been allowed back in. I remember one such Major-General being put in charge of a Falluja brigade of the Iraqi Army a couple of years back.

Oh cool.

I didn't think Jordan had military tech to spare like that though, or countries surrounding it. If it's old tech it would probably be something like some old BTR or a bmp-1 right?

Airforce consisting only of helos - is this because of a low budget or because the US wants total air domination? I was just thinking they must have some planes lying around somewhere...they can't have all been destroyed to the last one right?

Regards,
Maestro

Military gear donations are pretty common among friendly nations. For example Finland gave estonia a battalions vehicles and a battery of field guns when they gained independence during the early 1990s. They had to built their army from scratch, so we helped them in order to stabilise the region. It's the same thing happening here with Jordania hoping to stabilise its surroundings.

I see. Thanks.

Regards,
Maestro

Good source about New Iraqi Army (NIA) Equipment

www.globalsecurity.org...

Old, good AK's and T's mostly.
Some HMMWVs and M-113 as well.
M4 and M24 for spec-ops only.

M16 doesn't work well there in desert conditions. 2000 of M16
They are buying tens of thousands of AK-47 from former WP countries.

The mistake is they actually teach arabs how to shot them

www.army.mil...

"Previously, trainees fired only four rounds in a month to get the feel of their AK-47. Now trainees may fire 48 rounds in a day as they go through the steps of zeroing the rifle, adjusting the rifle's sights to their personal use, and qualifying from distances of 50, 100 and 200 meters. A few months ago, most Iraqi army units didn't have the tool or know how to zero their rifles."

I think the US should rearm them but not with top notch equipment so that if theres trouble again it will be easy to put them down.

"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime”

I'm not sure on this one. I can admit that I have never backed the war in Iraq, but you should have let them rebuilld the country themselves. I agree with C0le, you can't keep spoon feeding countries weaponry and the tools to do everything, sometimes they just have to fend for themselves.

Look at how dependant the Janjaweed and Sudanese government depend on China for arms. It's ridiculous and only further fuels anti-American views over there. Because you're backing certain country's enemies, and therefore see you as an enemy.

They will be armed with Chinese Type-56-II assault rifles