Schools ban cross

Ok for other faiths to wear religious jewellery. Blatant anti-Christian action. Who is running these schools,Bin Laden? Even the Muslim Council of Britain says they are nuts.

Oh dear, this one again.

I thought it had gone quiet on the religious apparel front. Trust the Daily Express to drag this one back up from the dredges of the journalistic gutter.

The guidance, issued to headteachers in Croydon, south London, has echoes of the row...

So it isn't a UK-wide issue.

And no, Bin Laden isn't running Britain's schools. In the same article:

Guidance recently from the Department for Education on school uniform policy reminds head­teachers to be sensitive and considerate towards the culture, race and religion of their pupils.

It gives them the right to ban Muslim girls from wearing full-face veils following a High Court decision in favour of a Buckinghamshire school which refused a 12-year-old pupil permission to wear one.

By law, full-face veils (such as the niqab) can be banned from schools.

Thus, this seems to be an issue raised by the local authority in Croydon since - if it came from the Department for Education - it would affect all schools in England and Wales, which it doesn't.

I think the stance is that if a follower of a certain religion is required to wear a piece of clothing or jewellery then they should be allowed to do so, but if they are not required to wear it by their religion (as is the case with the niqab, the chastity ring and the crucifix - all of which are optional) then local authorities and/or schools may choose to prohibit the items.

It's difficult to form a real opinion about this considering the source (a tabloid newspaper - they're all as bad as each other, using issues like this to sell their paper) and the fact that a lot of elements are left out... for instance, why it was decided to ban the crucifix, who decided to ban it ('officials' is a very vague term) and so on.

rdang, christians aren't opressed right now. they haven't been oppressed for over a thousand years.

bad christians, you can't have a persecution complex... not yours.

Seems outragious, that someone cannot wear a cross or crucifix because it is deemed as jewerly, but it is fine for muslim girls and other faiths to wear their symbols of their religion.

Something is way far wrong...

Until some compromise is agreed on, all forms off symbols of which ever religion should be banned from schools permantly.

Would mean one, group of religion is not discriminated against.




[edit on 14-5-2007 by spencerjohnstone]

This may be taking the thread slightly off topic and if so rdang, let me know I will remove this post and start a new thread.

Begs the question, why have religion and education together. The last place that should be teaching education is any kind of religious establishment. They all have an agenda to promote.

school should be devoid of any kind of religion. It should be up to the parents to decide if and when any child is exposed to religion, not a school.

I had to endure a Church of England based education and say prayers and the Lords Prayer every day.

Simple answer to this one. Ban religion from school and ban the wearing of any item considered religious, and yes this means a cross as well.

And yet my taxes are spend of giving money to religious establishments to teach children in an religious environment, and promote their views to young and impressenable minds.

I think the real question is why would these schools take it upon themselves to ban the cross? It seems no one was offended,but they did this anyway.As far as Christians not being oppressed,well depends what country your in.In Iran,you might have problems,in Iraq you will have problems,and in Saudi Arabia,you will be arrested.Now in Saudi Arabia,Islam is the main religion,but isn't Christian the main religion in the UK? As far as religion in schools,well,if you do only for one,thats discrimination,no? Now a reality check,what would happen if they did this with Muslims? Yes, they can ban haed coverings,but thats common sense,Try walking in a bank with you head and face covered.If you are so religious you have to cover you head and face,maybe public school isn't for you,maybe home or private school. Remember ,this isn't Saudi Arabia.

I assume you all missed this bit:

But even Muslim leaders have join­ed the condemnation, arguing that all religious groups, including Christian­s, should be treated the same.

Well what do we have here? Yes it'd be the Muslims saying that they should be treated the same as Christians. I'm sure you can go place that in your agenda and smoke it Rdang.

Now a reality check,what would happen if they did this with Muslims?

If you'd read the article you'd know they say to treat everyone the same.

Lovely agenda driven post you've made.

Duh,yes I did read the article,I said no was offended,so why did they do this? My "agenda" is to point out the unfairness of this action. I wonder what their "agenda" is.

Originally posted by rdang
Duh,yes I did read the article,I said no was offended,so why did they do this? My "agenda" is to point out the unfairness of this action. I wonder what their "agenda" is.

Your agenda is easy to see. Your signature. The fact you've said:

Now a reality check,what would happen if they did this with Muslims?

When it has already been answered. (High Court decision and that's mentioned in the article.)

The fact you even go as far as to mention Bin Laden to try and get a response from people. I am sure if people do a quick search through your threads they'll find this common agenda.

Take your thread: Islamonazis in NY?

Where you single out Muslims, but make not a single mention of the Neo-Nazi compounds, Christian Compounds and so on and so fourth which limit entry to the public.

You even go as far to claim that radical Islam is the number one problem in the World. Yet everyone knows more people die due to poverty, aids and so on and so fourth than they do radical Islam. You are a bigot for all to see.

The members of ATS can go through the rest of your posts themselves.

Yes,there are bigots here,you can see it their posts.They apologize for the terrorists,they rant their anti-Jew talk. The only ones I rant against are the terrorists. But there are losers who constantly say it's against all Muslims.There are the bigots. And it's true,everybody with a brain knows what would happen if this was done,for no reason, to Muslims.Just look how many were killed over cartoons. But to even ask the question is bigotry? Islomofacist/Islamonazi is not offensive to call someone who says I'm an infidel and must be converted or killed. Do you think thats ok? Please save you rant for the gullible jr high kids who might but it.

Clearly this is just another case of any old distorted tale will do to further the anti-Islamic agenda.

The root that this thread has been based upon is false - as is so typical in these kinds of stories.

There is no 'anti-Christian agenda' at work in this example at all.

[edit on 19-5-2007 by sminkeypinkey]

No anti Christian agenda,ok then please explain why did they do it.And why only to the Christians.Anti Islamic agenda? Please.

Originally posted by rdang
No anti Christian agenda,ok then please explain why did they do it.

- It was about 'jewellery'.

As was pointed out right at the start of this thread.

And why only to the Christians.

- It isn't.

Anti Islamic agenda? Please.

- Oh I'm sorry, is it a more general form of xenophobia or sectarianism?

jewellery, right christian jewellery. Seems a little funny that the only "jewellery" banned just happens to be the cross....you were saying something phobias.

Ste2652 answered the questions and covered it quite nicely.

Rdang, you seem to have ignored his concise and informative post there.