posted on May, 16 2007 @ 11:20 PM
Lacking a clarifying response from the O.P., I'll clamber into my flame-proof suit (asbestos free, of course), and toss out a reply based on what I
think I read.
At risk of being branded a Fascist (or worse), I will contend that there is no such thing as a 'natural right', unless it's the 'right' of the
powerful to dominate the weak. In a society totally 'free' of government, there are no 'free' people. The weak are victimized by the strong, and
the strong live in fear of someone stronger. Doesn't that sound like FUN?
Wait one...I could blather on at length, but it just crossed my mind that somebody who was much wiser than I, and much more literate, already said
what I'm trying to say.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be
changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are
sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
There we go.
The purpose of government is not to *take away* freedom, but to safeguard it. We can (and probably will!) debate or flat-out argue about whether a
*particular* government does a good job of that, but the fact is that some form of government is needed, if for no other reason than to protect people
from the incredible disaster of unfettered democracy.
I think we could also have a long and colorful discussion about when and if a government crosses the line and becomes a despotic object that the
people have a right and a duty to replace...but until human nature changes well beyond the point of being human, to say that we can only be free by
being free of government is to argue the rather hopeless case for anarchy.
[edit on 17-5-2007 by Brother Stormhammer]