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The Antichrist is a Nazarite

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posted on May, 4 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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We have undertaken a series of studies for the purpose of identifying the characteristics of the Antichrist.

In this study, I will prove than the Antichrist is likely not a Roman Catholic.

The support for this conclusion comes, oddly enough, from the meaning and role of the ancient Hebrew rite of the Nazarite.

What occasioned this study? The following verse from Matthew 2:23,

“And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.”

This verse is the last in a series of prophetic proofs grouped in Matthew 2 to validate the messianic authority of Jesus Christ. Matthew utilizes the phrase “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets” in verses 5, 15, 17, and 23.

Matthew 2 reads as follows:

[1] Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
[2] Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
[3] When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
[4] And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
[5] And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
[6] And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
[7] Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
[8] And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
[9] When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
[10] When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
[11] And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
[12] And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
[13] And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
[14] When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
[15] And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
[16] Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
[17] Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
[18] In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
[19] But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
[20] Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
[21] And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.

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posted on May, 4 2007 @ 04:21 PM
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[22] But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
[23] And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

Upon investigating the verses (5, 15, 17, and 23) attributed to the prophets, I discovered that:

Matthew 2:5, 6 corresponds to Micah 5:2 and/or 2 Samuel 5:2;

Matthew 2:15 corresponds to Hosea 11:1;

Matthew 2:17, 18 corresponds to Jeremiah 31:15.

Matthew 2:23, however, although attributed to the prophets, DOES NOT apparently correspond to any Old Testament passage. Neither the word Nazarene, nor Nazareth, the name of the city from which it is derived, is found in the Bible outside of the New Testament.

The closest word phonetically to Nazarene is Nazarite, a word that does occur 9 times in the Old Testament. Is it possible Matthew had this word in mind? No, and yes.

The New Testament, including the Gospel of Matthew itself, does not support the notion that Jesus was a Nazarite. Firstly, consider the Easton's Bible Dictionary entries for Nazarene and Nazarite:

Easton's Bible Dictionary: Nazarene:

This epithet (Gr. Nazaraios) is applied to Christ only once (Mat 2:23). In all other cases the word is rendered "of Nazareth" (Mar 1:24; 10:47; 14:67, etc.). When this Greek designation was at first applied to our Lord, it was meant simply to denote the place of his residence. In course of time the word became a term of reproach. Thus the word "Nazarene" carries with it an allusion to those prophecies which speak of Christ as "despised of men" (Isa 53:3). Some, however, think that in this name there is an allusion to the Hebrew _netser_, which signifies a branch or sprout. It is so applied to the Messiah (Isa 11:1), i.e., he whom the prophets called the _Netse_, the "Branch."

The followers of Christ were called "the sect of Nazarenes" (Act 24:5). All over Palestine and Syria this name is still given to Christians.

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posted on May, 4 2007 @ 04:22 PM
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Easton's Bible Dictionary: Nazarite:

(Heb. form Nazirite), the name of such Israelites as took on them the vow prescribed in Num 6:2-21. The word denotes generally one who is separated from others and consecrated to God. Although there is no mention of any Nazarite before Samson, yet it is evident that they existed before the time of Moses. The vow of a Nazarite involved these three things, (1) abstinence from wine and strong drink, (2) refraining from cutting the hair off the head during the whole period of the continuance of the vow, and (3) the avoidance of contact with the dead.

When the period of the continuance of the vow came to an end, the Nazarite had to present himself at the door of the sanctuary with (1) a he lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering, (2) a ewe lamb of the first year for a sin-offering, and (3) a ram for a peace-offering. After these sacrifices were offered by the priest, the Nazarite cut off his hair at the door and threw it into the fire under the peace-offering.

For some reason, probably in the midst of his work at Corinth, Paul took on himself the Nazarite vow. This could only be terminated by his going up to Jerusalem to offer up the hair which till then was to be left uncut. But it seems to have been allowable for persons at a distance to cut the hair, which was to be brought up to Jerusalem, where the ceremony was completed. This Paul did at Cenchrea just before setting out on his voyage into Syria (Act 18:18).

On another occasion (Act 21:23-26), at the feast of Pentecost, Paul took on himself again the Nazarite vow. "The ceremonies involved took a longer time than Paul had at his disposal, but the law permitted a man to share the vow if he could find companions who had gone through the prescribed ceremonies, and who permitted him to join their company. This permission was commonly granted if the new comer paid all the fees required from the whole company (fee to the Levite for cutting the hair and fees for sacrifices), and finished the vow along with the others. Four Jewish Christians were performing the vow, and would admit Paul to their company, provided he paid their expenses. Paul consented, paid the charges, and when the last seven days of the vow began he went with them to live in the temple, giving the usual notice to the priests that he had joined in regular fashion, was a sharer with the four men, and that his vow would end with theirs. Nazarites retired to the temple during the last period of seven days, because they could be secure there against any accidental defilement" (Lindsay's Acts).

As to the duration of a Nazarite's vow, every one was left at liberty to fix his own time. There is mention made in Scripture of only three who were Nazarites for life, Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist (Jdg 13:4,5; 1Sa 1:11; Luk 1:15). In its ordinary form, however, the Nazarite's vow lasted only thirty, and at most one hundred, days.

This institution was a symbol of a life devoted to God and separated from all sin, a holy life.

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posted on May, 4 2007 @ 04:23 PM
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[Ironically, the Hebrew form Nazirite, or “Nazi” when shortened, brings to mind the modern horrors perpetrated against European Jewry under the Third Reich.]

The Easton’s entries indicate there is a distinct difference in meaning between Nazarene and Nazarite. This conclusion still leaves us with the puzzling question, Why did Matthew attribute Nazareth to a fulfillment of prophecy when, evidently, it was not?

Is it possible that Matthew meant to conclude from the prophets that the messiah would in fact be a Nazarite, and, further that Matthew was led to believe from his first-hand witness to the lifestyle of Jesus Christ, that Jesus did not practice according to the Nazarite vow? The vow requires:

1. Abstention from alcohol;

2. Growth of hair for the duration of the vow; and

3. No contact with the dead.

Jesus Christ was not a Nazarite. In John 2, Jesus turned water into wine. At the Last Supper, He took from the cup of wine and commemorated His then forthcoming Passion: “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom” (Matthew 26:27-29).

In regard to John the Baptist, Jesus said, “John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children” (Matthew 11:19).

Jesus made contact with the dead when He raised Lazarus again to life. John 11.

Is it possible to reconcile the concept of a Nazarite messiah with the life and ministry of Jesus Christ? Yes, in a second, complementary messiah, the Antichrist.

Those familiar with my writings knows that I advocate the true Antichrist as the solution to the world’s problems. I teach that the Antichrist is the second of the two messiahs prophesied in the Bible as part of God’s redemptive plan.

Prophecy, in whole or in part, remaining to be fulfilled thus befalls to the Antichrist. Since Jesus Christ was not a Nazarite, this characteristic should naturally accrue to His successor, the Antichrist.

Perhaps we can learn clues in regard to the forthcoming Antichrist messiah from the most prominent of the biblical Nazarites: Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist.

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posted on May, 4 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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SAMSON

The narrative of Samson’s life is given in Judges 13-16.

The events connected with Samson’s conception and youth as noted in Judges 13 are remarkably similar to those of Jesus Christ in Luke 1.

Judges 13:

[1] And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD delivered them into the hand of the Philistines forty years.
[2] And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not.
[3] And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
[4] Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:
[5] For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no rasor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.
. . . .
[24] And the woman bare a son, and called his name Samson: and the child grew, and the LORD blessed him.
[25] And the Spirit of the LORD began to move him at times in the camp of Dan between Zorah and Eshtaol.

Luke 1:

[26] And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
[27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
[29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
[30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
[31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
[32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
[33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
. . . .
[80] And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
[1] [chapter 2] And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

There is no doubt that Samson was a messianic type. Under the superintendence of God, he appeared at Israel’s darkest hour to deliver the people from foreign oppression.

Samson was known as a riddler. Judges 14:12. It is important to bear in mind the possibility of riddles when interpreting Scripture, including prophecy.

Samson means “his sun; his service; there the second time”, according to Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary.

SAMUEL

The story of Samuel begins with the first chapter of 1 Samuel. After Samuel was weaned, his mother Hannah brought him to Shiloh and consecrated him to the Lord as a perpetual Nazarite (1Sa 1:23-2:11). Under the care and tutelage of the women who served in the tabernacle and the priest, Eli, "the child Samuel grew on, and was in favour both with the Lord, and also with men" (1 Samuel 2:26; see also Luke 2:52).

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posted on May, 4 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Samuel was given the gift of prophecy at a time when the Philistines posed a threat to Israel. Samuel dwelt in a place called Shiloh, where the Ark of the Covenant rested (under the watch of Eli and his profligate sons), until the site was over-powered by the Philistines. Samuel removed to Ramah and undertook a campaign to revive Israel through exhortation and repentance. Samuel led Israel to victory over the Philistines, followed by a long period of peace for Israel. He established the schools of the prophets. He exercised the functions of a circuit judge and prophet; he, thereby, “being the friend and counsellor of the people in all matters of private and public interest. He was a great statesman as well as a reformer, and all regarded him with veneration as the ‘seer,’ the prophet of the Lord.” (“Samuel”, Easton's Bible Dictionary).

The Antichrist will likely promote the study of prophecy (Daniel 8:25) and reconstitute the Schools of the Prophets.

JOHN THE BAPTIST

Like Samson and Samuel, John the Baptist appeared during a time of crisis, when the Israel was under the Roman yoke.

John was the "forerunner” of Jesus Christ. He warned of Judgment. The sum of John’s preaching was the necessity of repentance. “John's special office ceased with the baptism of Jesus, who must now ‘increase’ as the King come to his kingdom. He continued, however, for a while to bear testimony to the Messiahship of Jesus”, according to Easton's Bible Dictionary.

Like John the Baptist, the Antichrist will act as a forerunner of Jesus Christ prior to His Second Advent. The Antichrist will advocate reform, repentance and revival. He will bear witness, especially to the Jews, of the messiahship of Jesus. The Antichrist will diminish as Jesus Christ “increases” upon His return.

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posted on May, 4 2007 @ 04:26 PM
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COMMENTS

Perhaps the Nazarite identity of the Antichrist gives us insight into the meaning of the passage,

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son” (1 John 2:22).

The Antichrist denies the Son only in so far as the Antichrist refuses to drink the alcoholic wine of the Mass!

This argument does not invalidate the possibility that the Antichrist is a Jewish adherent of Jesus Christ and participates in a Protestant version of the Mass, in which grape juice is substituted for alcoholic wine.

SUMMARY

Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist foreshadowed the messiah and His mission. In so far as Jesus did not fulfill the Nazarite vow, this duty befalls to the Antichrist.

Consistent with the Nazarite vow, the Antichrist will have long hair, abstain from alcohol, and refuse to have contact with the dead.

In conclusion, the Antichrist is not a Roman Catholic because he does not consume any form of alcoholic beverage, including the wine of the Mass. This argument subsumes that the wine used by traditional Roman Catholicism has alcohol.



posted on May, 4 2007 @ 06:17 PM
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Cool stuff about alcohol, i don't like it. Alcohol is for losers. Antichrist is from EU, from little horn, born in 70s.

Second coming of Jeshua is not exactly physical but end result of your personal Armageddon. Still you may see interesting things in near future.



posted on May, 4 2007 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Neron Kesar
In this study, I will prove than the Antichrist is likely not a Roman Catholic.


Other than bigoted anti-Catholic fundies who live in the deep south of America .. I don't think that there are many people who think the Anti-christ will be the pope.

The fact is that the anti-christ is to have a large following and be widely adored - but only 10% or so of Catholics actually completely follow church teaching and listen to the pope - and the rest of the world definately doesn't listen to him.

I always :shk: and
whenever any one says that the pope will be the anti-christ. It doesn't fit.



posted on May, 4 2007 @ 07:19 PM
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detonator,

Have you considered an American descendant of European emigrants?



posted on May, 4 2007 @ 07:27 PM
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FlyersFan,

The Antichrist does not start out as a Roman Catholic, but he is a Christian (and a Jew, and a Muslim) so he probably heralds from the Protestant sect.

As the successor Christ, the Antichrist has the authority to claim the Chair of Peter as his own. His title is Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman) or Peter II.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 05:49 AM
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You missed what I said. NO ONE listens to the pope anymore. Not even Catholics. IF the anti-christ was to find his way to the Chair of Peter, he could blather all he wanted but no one would listen to him.

The anti-christ would have a much better shot at running the world and being admired if he were in a political position and if he had royal blood from some middle eastern or euro country as backup.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 05:57 AM
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I don't know about your proof but Antichrist doesn't care that much about prophecy as Christians do. Also, almost every religion expects someone, Antichrist, Mahdi, Maitreya and others... In every religion message is clear -- Savior from future will destroy oppression and injustice and bring greater understanding and world peace.

So, how can you draw exact description and conclusions from prophecies of one religion only? If you want to be as accurate as possible then start reading prophecies from other religions too. You will see Jerusalem is NOT center of the world, at least not for the Antichrist, and his origins are irrelevant. If you believe otherwise you will be just fooled for more time.

After all this is what religion really is - global fooling thorough history in order to seed fear of God in you, so civilization is guided more easily. Now it's time man start to rule and this you can see in advances of science and rational thinking and humanism.

Soon time will come when religion will be recognized for what it really is, global manipulation based on fear of hell or karma and people will be a bit more free and without conflicts.

This is 'second coming of Christ' -- new global understanding not some hippie preaching love in some temple. Wake up.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
You missed what I said. NO ONE listens to the pope anymore. Not even Catholics. IF the anti-christ was to find his way to the Chair of Peter, he could blather all he wanted but no one would listen to him.

The anti-christ would have a much better shot at running the world and being admired if he were in a political position and if he had royal blood from some middle eastern or euro country as backup.



I agree. In this day and age you need to show RESULTS not just some mystical texts in order to convince people. So if you want to know who Antichrist is keep that in mind. Some fool saying he is AC and gathering more fools around him will never create any big global change. Also i doubt people would trust another politician. Too many deceit and lies and corruption from them.

Antichrist will use internet and he will start with simple things in order to attract people. He will be anti-prophet, he will use rational thinking and real solutions, this is how he will attract the masses - with results not promises.

For the first time in history someone will show results without bloodshed and mysticism.


[edit on 5-5-2007 by detonator]



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 06:36 AM
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How do you know he'll use the internet?



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 07:59 AM
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I know how he thinks and what his plans are. A lot of people won't even think he is the Antichrist. He got a lot of help with all movies and books which portray him as political figure possessed by Satan. It's not that simple, he is representing dark side and he is very intelligent, he will appear as multiple solutions to multiple people at same time.

To accomplish this, logically, he may work on multiple (internet) projects at same time, spreading the net of his influence to all social segments and religions. He doesn't care what your beliefs are, even if you genuinely hate him or want him killed -- if he sees you as useful he will cooperate with you and even help you, if that would mean faster progress.

He is Ahrimanic (Satanic) force -- cold calculating power. Think about computers. Emotions, including fear and morals are out. On brighter side, he has no complexes or emotional problems which makes him ideal, maybe even ego-less, leader.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 08:00 AM
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Neron/
Again, are these your OWN Prophecies/predictions?
Or are these the work of others, that you have you gathered and put them according to what you see as you know?
You claim that you are the Antichrists Advocate!



The Antichrist does not start out as a Roman Catholic, but he is a Christian (and a Jew, and a Muslim) so he probably heralds from the Protestant sect.


You say he Probably comes from a protestant sect!
If you say that you are the Antichists Advocate, should you not know where he heralds from?


IX
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posted on May, 5 2007 @ 03:15 PM
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I am going to have to disagree with you on the antichrist being a Nazarite.

First off, the Nazarene Way is "The Way," the name which gentiles gave Jesus/Yeshua's followers.

There are no impure followers under this as you must have a belief in God and practice certain rights to be considered a Nazarite.

You my friend are misquoting bible passages, but I do not blame you.

The way it sounds sure it'll be some guy from Israel. You have to understand that no offense or anything, but Palestine is not that special. Neither is the US, never said that, but no one place is "God's" land or not God's. It just is what it is.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 06:34 PM
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detonator,

I agree, the message is clear throughout the religions.

But the big thing here where some of you may be falling astray is,

The one that comes to destroy the evil and oppression will not be the same as the antichrist, necessarily, as the antichrist is defined in THIS thread.

the antichrist as defined in this thread to me would be the second coming of Yah'shua, indeed he will have a new name as it says in the Gospel but still the same he did say he would return.

if one takes the Apocalypse of John authentic, one can't deny that it states one will come first, performing wonders but will be a false one, intent on evil control. Then it states a second one will come, a "real" one, to save the day and kill all the evil.

Let me ask, if Jesus' spirit had to die permanently when it returned as Meshiach to save the day for mankind at the end of the Earth, would it be worth it? I don't know if I could say yes. Thankfully this isn't written.. but the details of the battle are left unwritten.

There will be a man that controls the world through a political or religous mechanism collectively called 'the beast', which oppresses on a mass scale, but also has signs of great wonders and greatness, and good things are there. physical good things, sensually good things. fleshy things. and there will also be a whore riding 'the beast', which I interpret as a nation that will be heading 'the beast', the political or religous mechanism or alliance of world nations which through the 'antichrist' as most christians think of the definition controls most of the world.

But in this thread the antichrist is actually the 2nd coming of christ.

So in the context of this thread, what would the 1st, false messiah be called?

*Light Bulb Goes Off in Head*

THE FALSE PROPHET!

yea, that could make sense. but this would also mean that the current version of Revelation is written with a bias towards the antichrist being a badf and evil man. I think this could be grossly miswritten over the millenia as the story was slighty molded into an understandable one for the people of the time, who may not understand something too complicated.

hmm..




posted on May, 5 2007 @ 06:46 PM
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Who says the antichrist has to be a man or for that matter a person. How about a country or the government of a country, like mabe the U.S. of A.



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