Mystery Object Orbits Earth Now

Some minor research

From heavens-above.com:
Saturn S-IVB-507

Identification
USSPACECOM Catalog No.: 4226
International Designation Code: 1969-099-B

Satellite Details
Orbit: Cislunar orbit
Category: Rocket Body

Launch
Date (UTC): 16:22, November 14, 1969


Wikipedia on cislunar

Doesn't match the twice the lunar distance.

Someone else has been looking into this as I found this webpage

[url=http://mailgate.dada.net/sci/sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe/msg01968.html]newsgroup article[url]

I think those photos are deceiving. The object is not a long narrow object that is either a long term exposure which is common for nighttime photos and the squiggly line shows the track of movement and rotation of the object or it was added to point to the object.

If you watch the little movie clip from the nasa sight you will see it really looks like a small round object.

science.nasa.gov...

Still pretty interesting that it turned out to be a rocket from the sixties.

[edit on 4/23/2007 by Hal9000]

Bull#?

Utter bull#?

"Orbiting the Sun," answers Chodas. "I've traced the motion of J002E3 backwards in time to find out where it's been," he explains. Apparently, J002E3 left Earth in 1971, went around the Sun 30 or so times, and came back again. Chodas, a expert in planetary motion who has seen plenty of complicated orbits, says "I've never seen anything like this."

Are any of you capable of objective thought here? Or are you all looking to dismiss off hand?

Do you realise how incredibly unlikely it is that:
This object would orbit the sun without burning up.
This object would orbit the sun 30 times then return to earth orbit.
This object wouldn't fall into earth orbit after bouncing off the moon.
This object would have an orbit which is orbiting in an elliptic orbit of two lunar distances when it orginiated from the moon! The moon is at one lunar distance! Did the object gain energy in its 30 loop trip around the sun before returning to us?
In thirty loops around the sun, coming out far enough to get caught in earth's gravity well again, surely it would have encountered the inner two planets and been trapped by those.


So basically we have a 60 foot piece of tinfoil. Which (supposedly) was dropped onto the moon, bounced off, ignored earth's gravity well, floated into the sun, was not burnt up by the sun, ran circles of an elliptic orbit around the sun 30 times, then returned to earth with an elliptic orbit who's maximum is twice that of moon's and now is stuck there.

The probability of this happening is so astronomically low that I demand a better explanation.

wow, so it looks like there is indeed, still some mystery left surrounding the object.
personally i think the whole "third stage shuttle" theory is coverup.

Originally posted by Yandros
Do you realise how incredibly unlikely it is that:
This object would orbit the sun without burning up.

The earth orbits the sun without burning up now doesn't it ?

Eh, from the looks of it I'm willing to bet its just a simple piece of space junk. Perhaps a pipe of some sort. Piece of a satellite maybe.

Nothing more.

Originally posted by misterfantastic
Some scientits say its a ufo, because, indeeed they can NOT confirm what the object is.

Wouldn't that be an "Unidentified Orbiting Object"? Oh, wait, it is regardless

Originally posted by Yandros
Bull#?

Utter bull#?

"Orbiting the Sun," answers Chodas. "I've traced the motion of J002E3 backwards in time to find out where it's been," he explains. Apparently, J002E3 left Earth in 1971, went around the Sun 30 or so times, and came back again. Chodas, a expert in planetary motion who has seen plenty of complicated orbits, says "I've never seen anything like this."

Are any of you capable of objective thought here? Or are you all looking to dismiss off hand?

Originally posted by Yandros
Do you realise how incredibly unlikely it is that:

This object would orbit the sun without burning up.

Why would it burn up? It's made for space travel.

Originally posted by Yandros
This object would orbit the sun 30 times then return to earth orbit.

The object is locked in the Earth-Moon system and is orbiting the sun together with the Earth and Moon. The wikipedia article (link below) said in 2002, it was track backwards and found to have orbited the sun at least 31 times which tracked it back to at least 1971 (that's 31 years and 31 orbits -- no coincidence). The article goes on to say it may have actualy been orbiting the Sun longer than that -- since 1969. It's in a strange orbit around the Earth-Moon system which puts it in different positions relative to the Earth at different times (since the Moon itself is orbiting the Earth). BTW, being in a weird Earth-Moon system orbit is not technically the same as being in Earth's orbit.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Yandros
This object wouldn't fall into earth orbit after bouncing off the moon.

I don't believe that anyone ever said "it bounced off the Moon". I've never seen that source.

Originally posted by Yandros
This object would have an orbit which is orbiting in an elliptic orbit of two lunar distances when it orginiated from the moon! The moon is at one lunar distance! Did the object gain energy in its 30 loop trip around the sun before returning to us?

The Saturn V rocket originated from the Earth, not the Moon. The spacecraft was moving at a pretty good speed when the third stage was ejected...It seems obvious that it would keep on moving past the Moon and could conceivably go the extra lunar distance before the gravity of the Earth-Moon system grabbed it (scientists said the third stage did not have enough velocity to break free of the Earth-Moon system).

Originally posted by Yandros
In thirty loops around the sun, coming out far enough to get caught in earth's gravity well again, surely it would have encountered the inner two planets and been trapped by those.

Again, it never left the Earth-Moon system. The Earth, Moon, and this object have been orbiting the Sun together for the past 38 years (or for 33 years when the original observation was made in 2002). Refer to the above explanation regarding Earth-Moon system orbit.

Originally posted by Yandros
So basically we have a 60 foot piece of tinfoil. Which (supposedly) was dropped onto the moon, bounced off, ignored earth's gravity well, floated into the sun, was not burnt up by the sun, ran circles of an elliptic orbit around the sun 30 times, then returned to earth with an elliptic orbit who's maximum is twice that of moon's and now is stuck there.

read the answers to each of these above. BTW, it was never stated that this object "floated into the Sun". Please stop making things up.

Originally posted by Yandros
The probability of this happening is so astronomically low that I demand a better explanation.

Why do you feel that you need to debunk this perfectly reasonable explanation that this is a leftover part from an Apollo Mission? I think you're the one who's not capable of objective thought. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that this is "apollo space junk". Yes, it could be something else, but the evidence does suggest the "apollo space junk" theory could be true. Before you discard the "Apollo third stage" explanation, maybe you should get your facts straight regarding this story.


[edit on 23-4-2007 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by roadgravel

Originally posted by misterfantastic
Some scientists say its the third stage of a space shuttle.

That description does not fit with the way the shuttle works. Guess if you want to call the SRBs stage one and the fuel tank stage two, where is stage three? Now that's a coverup!

I think he meant the old Saturn Rockets.


TheRanchMan

Maybe it's an extraterrestial vehicle orbiting the Earth watching us. I've seen pics on the net of long tubular ships everywhere in the solar system -- even russian fighter jets (Out of the Blue UFO Doc) chasing them as they pull away at mach 5.

What about it being the tether from the tether experiment that they ended up losing? Just a guess.

Originally posted by greatlakes
For a thread like this one that is legitimate and has more or less been SOLVED (see above), what are the chances that ATS can implement a new policy of labeling solved threads SOLVED in the title.

This would be similar to the labeling of HOAX to a proven hoax thread which is done by the moderators.

Perhaps I will U2U Dulcimer or others. Or if a mod see this post please let me know. I think its a great idea to keep further posts from being sent and prolonging the thread, not knowing its solved.

great idea

science.nasa.gov...

Chodas inventories the mission: On Jan. 31, 1971, a Saturn V rocket blasted off from Florida with Al Shepard, Ed Mitchell and Stuart Roosa inside. Two stages of the rocket fell back to Earth when they exhausted their fuel. A third stage, the S-IVB fuel tank and rocket engine, which propelled the crew from Earth-orbit toward the Moon, was likewise discarded. The S-IVB, however, did not fall back to Earth; it hit the Moon. Ground controllers guided it there on purpose to provide an impact for lunar seismic monitoring stations. The lunar module Antares was also deliberately crashed--more data for the seismic network. The command module Kitty Hawk returned the crew to Earth.

What part of 'hit the moon' do you not understand? And floating into the sun is a correct expression for what they are proposing with this.

The reason I feel the need to debunk it is because it is nonsensical. Simple as that. When things fall into the SUN without a stable orbit and sufficient angular momentum then spiral inward and burn up, like space junk falling back to earth except on a much much larger scale.

Let it also be known that earth sits in the atmosphere of the sun. Ever heard of the ion wind? Good. The closer you get the denser the atmosphere of the sun becomes, and, as a flimsy piece of tin foil, I think you'd find yourself being ripped apart pretty quickly.

Just a curious note, why is this the only "third-stage" Floating around. What was special about this one Saturn V. These things are made for space? um these things where built to be flying gas cans in a tube pointed at the moon. The science is how to make all the fuel burn out the ass without blowing up. on top of the major calculations and "precise" timing need to establish orbits..not to mention a Saturn V Rocket stage was "designed" to burn up ( you know a big falling object isn't nice) , so why did this "One" rocket out of what 15-20? rockets? survive 31 years of space exposure (Radiation, sun, gravity, ET, and small rocks)

I'm new here and my logic may be flawed but, thats just how I see it.

Originally posted by carewemust
Orbiting the earth at twice the distance of the moon. Can we see
something only 60 feet long at that distance from earth? I don't
think an Apollo third stage rocket, or any part of the Space Shuttle
engine could end up that far away from Earth...could it?
.

guys this guy makes a good point!!! something so small, so far away would simply drift away unless if it was, oh i dont know a space craft of some unidentified origin...

Just sayin

The object is most likely a S-IVB from either Apollo 8, 10, 11, or 12, with Apollo 12 being most likely, the UA researchers conclude.

Source article.

I don't think they crashed all the S-IVB's into the Moon. Just the one. I think they are clearly saying it could have been from any of 4 different missions. A couple of the linked articles omitted the full text and only mentioned one.

Until someone gets a clear enough image it is all guesswork. Could be a Soviet leftover from the same period as well. The use of titanium white paint to reflect heat is probably common on objects intended for space.

Originally posted by Aiden07
Just a curious note, why is this the only "third-stage" Floating around. What was special about this one Saturn V.

Here is a list from heavens-above.com

Saturn S-IVB-203 Disintegrated
Saturn S-IVB-501 Decayed
Saturn S-IVB-204 Decayed
Saturn S-IVB-502 Decayed
Saturn S-IVB-205 Decayed
Saturn S-IVB-503N In Solar orbit
Saturn S-IVB-504N In Solar orbit
Saturn S-IVB-505N In Solar orbit
Saturn S-IVB-506 In Solar orbit
Saturn S-IVB-507 Cislunar orbit
Saturn S-IVB-508 Lunar impact
Saturn S-IVB-509 Lunar impact
Saturn S-IVB-510 Lunar impact
Saturn S-IVB-511 Lunar impact
Saturn S-IVB-512 Lunar impact
Saturn S-II-13 Decayed
Saturn S-IVB-206 Deorbited
Saturn S-IVB-207 Deorbited
Saturn S-IVB-208 Deorbited
Saturn S-IVB-210 Decayed

It's not alone....

Solarskye

Thats what i was thinking, it looks very similair to the object that had "swarms" of UFo around it after breaking of from one of the shuttles....

I dont know the date so will watch the "smoking gun The Nasa Footage" which if anyone hasnt seen it basically proves the existense of UFO's in space to check if it was pre 2002....

Looks just the same as that (I thik 19km teather) looked but further away...

What do the rest think about that one?

Regards

Elf

Hi Guys, to add a fresh direction on this topic, I thought you ought to see this:

www.youtube.com...

Around 2mins into this NASA video, you will see a long, white, 'rod' shape made by this object, that look suspiciously like the orbiting object.

Also, I thought the origional photo looks like deep space, so the object in this video might be what was captured, but I can´t see this doing an orbit of 30 odd times, then returning to orbit earth...

You decide.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by deaman88]

[edit on 23-4-2007 by deaman88]

LOL

This is funny, the sources you guys are providing is using words like "most likely", and "could well be", and "may have been solved", because they are still not sure what it is. And you people are STILL calling it solved, and actually agreeing that it is a Saturn V rocket component, because of what NASA said.


--Do you guys see what you are doing?--

You are actually agreeing with NASA, based on guesses, and not 1 ounce of proof. Right? Crazy.

A rocket component, lol, thats to easy for NASA. Heck, NASA can call everything in the galaxy a rocket component and people would have to believe them. For 1, the people don't know what every rocket component looks like so NASA gets advantage, and 2 they don't have to prove it, and 3 there is no way to prove it yet.

LOL. Unlimited excuses that people will believe is what NASA has.