What if the World never had Religion ?

Out there thought, but I do wonder about it. No Bible to swear the truth on, no essential commandments for a majority of the religious to follow in life. No religious fanatics..

2006 Est World Population: 6,525,170,264

Est Religous Human Numbers:
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Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jinism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

Would there have been total world chaos long before now? Seems to me there would be a some serious repercussions ions ago without religion as a form of self-governing.

Dallas

...religion as a form of self-governing.

Yes, what would the world be like if Hitler never existed? Religion is an energy sapping mind controlling force.

There would have been no Holy Wars. The Middle East would be peaceful. The Vatican would not have accumulated enormous wealth and power and pitted the nations of Europe against each other time and time again.

Rome would not have collapsed and the Dark Ages would have been avoided.

The world would be so much better without religion.......think of all the wars and useless killing religion has caused. When Satan created the Babylonian religion that spead all over the earth he knew exactly what he was doing. Satan is Lucifer........the bringer of light.......and yet he brought lies to the world.

Think what the world would be like if everyone loved God and obeyed him.........No illegimate children.....no theft........no divorce.....no homeless children......no murder........no lies........ no deception....no starvation.....limited disease

If people just obeyed God this world would be a pleasure to live in. Since they don't we have a big mess. And Satan bringing religion from Babylon is the culprit.

Thats what starts wars in the first place Sun Matrix. All religions are evil.. except mine of course which is the only true religion, how ignorant is that.

To be honest we probably could never predict what may have happened if there was no religion, where on Earth right now is there a place where religion has no meaning? I don't really know of such a place but that I expect would give us an insight to what it may have been like. I doubt it would have ended all wars, people would most likely still fight over land however if religion did not exist im fairly sure would would currently be hundreds of years ahead of where we are today technologically and scientifically.

Originally posted by Edn
Thats what starts wars in the first place Sun Matrix. All religions are evil.. except mine of course which is the only true religion, how ignorant is that.

I have no use for religion Edn.........only the truth. The fact that Satan brought religion to the world to keep it in blindness is a fact that will have to be dealt with.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by Edn
Thats what starts wars in the first place Sun Matrix. All religions are evil.. except mine of course which is the only true religion, how ignorant is that.

I have no use for religion Edn.........only the truth. The fact that Satan brought religion to the world to keep it in blindness is a fact that will have to be dealt with.

i notice that when you tell someone that you have no use for religion and then tell them that its because satan created religion....i dont think they understand. most of them are thinking that if you believe in satan you must be following a religion..christianity..but you are not. not the christianity they are lead to believe... you know where religion was birthed and of course stay far away from it.
columbus said religion is an energy sapping mind controlling force. this is a true statement. you have to understand where religion started and why it was started and who started it...then you can understand why its such a mind controlling force.




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Originally posted by Columbus

...religion as a form of self-governing.

Yes, what would the world be like if Hitler never existed? Religion is an energy sapping mind controlling force.

There would have been no Holy Wars. The Middle East would be peaceful. The Vatican would not have accumulated enormous wealth and power and pitted the nations of Europe against each other time and time again.

Rome would not have collapsed and the Dark Ages would have been avoided.

Columbus,

You may/may-not like what I have to post in this thread. That is your opinion...and believe it or not...I respect your opinion, as well as others.

I 'assumed' Past tense -('may or may not have made an ass out of you or me) (I'm not attacking you personally).

Past tense:
"That you are an egotistical know-it-all, that has been spurned by beliefs that has debunked any belief systems that you 'might' have held dear, and are in the (present time exploring what remains of social acceptable sanity at present and portrays beliefs to others in the context that you are familiar with).

I don't think that concept about you now.

Look at my signature. Yes...I have my beliefs

So friggin what? WHAT?

I'm very THANKFUL... that my parents showed me right and wrong (to the best of their abilities in order that I may post an intelligent conversation in here. Nature vs. 'what ever word you want to apply here'.

Understand me well: Even though I can't comprehend 'rocket science', or portray my self as being 'eloquent in speech', I'll find a way. (Rosetta Stone of Human Interpretation...I'll find a way)

I see you as an individual who has questioned the very existance of our being".

Remember...Columbus...YOU, yourself started out with 'such misgivings'. Did you not?

I give you credit in this respect:

That you incite people to think for themselves and have them question themselves in order to develop a back bone of (good judgement?)

Be mindful of others on their paths to enlightment.

It's not so much 'WHAT' you say, as to 'HOW' you say things that makes all the difference.

I appologize for any rantings and any misgivings.

Now back to the topic at hand:

Religion is manmade.. but faith comes from...

Here is what I discerned from what you tell us A.T.S.'rs so far:



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Possibly going off topic but if I could ask you TheDuckster & Sun Matrix, would you honestly never preach any of your beliefs to anyone who doesn't want to hear them?

No one asked what you believe is in this thread Sun Matrix yet your first post was to tell everyone there wrong and that they should all believe in your god. The question wasn't 'what would it be like if everyone only believed what you believe?'

It doesn't matter if you don't regard your self as following a religion the fact is your own beliefs in god means you believe in a religion, your religion and you don't keep it to your self either, if this were only a thousand years ago people would easily go to war/arrest/hang/kill (assuming you have more than a few followers) (against) you to shut you up.

faith and religion come hand in hand, you have faith in what you believe and what you believe is your own personal religion.

Belief in Satan is a religion, Sun Matrix. You are religious no matter how much you deny it.

Why is it that the most religious god-believers pretend that they are not religious because they are so certain that what they believe is absolutely true, but then go out and kill because they have a desperate need to reinforce their secretly weak faith?

Originally posted by Edn
Possibly going off topic but if I could ask you TheDuckster & Sun Matrix, would you honestly never preach any of your beliefs to anyone who doesn't want to hear them?

No one asked what you believe is in this thread Sun Matrix yet your first post was to tell everyone there wrong and that they should all believe in your god. The question wasn't 'what would it be like if everyone only believed what you believe?'

It doesn't matter if you don't regard your self as following a religion the fact is your own beliefs in god means you believe in a religion, your religion and you don't keep it to your self either, if this were only a thousand years ago people would easily go to war/arrest/hang/kill (assuming you have more than a few followers) (against) you to shut you up.

faith and religion come hand in hand, you have faith in what you believe and what you believe is your own personal religion.

I'll try to answer this question (the best of my abilities) and these abilities 'stem' from my 'beliefs'.

I DO NOT in any way want to give bad advise: "Steer persons in the wrong direction".(Certain persons can miscontrue ANY topic including my own post and stipulate it 'according to their own reasonings")

Disclaimer: I personally will not subject any topics to the subject of "Occam's Razer". This concept is too confining and does not allow for 'other' factors.

There is plausiblity in this concept, but too much friction as to what confines the concepts of what is 'real' (tangible or on another scale). and not enough discussion room for 'other plausibalities'.

"What can be true"
"What IS true"
"What has been true"

I don't want to give people the wrong idea about anything...HOWEVER...

You asked me the question: "Whether I would I honestly 'NEVER' preach to others that would not like to 'the message'?

Myself, personally, and according to your question, here is my answer:

I would, like anyone else, go forward to society, and preach my 'so-called-message.

There are those that would lend an ear, and others who would 'slough' the messengers off - according to what was acceptable within their 'safety/belief' tolerances.

To those that don't want to hear; I move on.

P.S.
Bring on your sophisticated words/theories/and Non-emotional Intellectual jibberish (last I heard, you are not in the running for any 'Humanitarian or Nobel Prize Award lately).
Each




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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
The world would be so much better without religion.......think of all the wars and useless killing religion has caused. When Satan created the Babylonian religion that spead all over the earth he knew exactly what he was doing. Satan is Lucifer........the bringer of light.......and yet he brought lies to the world.

Let me guess; Your branch of Christianity, Islam, Pastafarianism etc wasn't created by Satan/Lucifer? Also how did the 'Babylonian' religion spread across the world?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Think what the world would be like if everyone loved God and obeyed him.........No illegimate children.....no theft........no divorce.....no homeless children......no murder........no lies........ no deception....no starvation.....limited disease

Thanks for dodging the O.P's question and trying to impress your religious rhetoric on us.

Anyway if there was no religion the entire world would be different. I mean, as much as I hate to say this, most laws in the Western world have come from Christianity.

That's all I've got for now.

I think that if there were no religions, then some civilizations would have taken a little longer to start up because there would not be the 'wrath of god' to scare people into doing what you want.

Most religions is based on the fact that there is a creator, so in a way, if there were no religions, there probably would be no god, if there were no god, we wouldnt exist, if we wouldnt exist, we couldnt have the chance to have wars in the first place lol.

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs

dictionary.reference.com...

How would civilization exist as we know it without a some sort of fundamental belief system? Religion doesn't have to be organized. It doesn't even have to be the same. For example look at the Native Americans. I wouldn't neccesarily say that there was an organized religion there but a belief system did exist and it varied from tribe to tribe.

Science can be a religion. Materialism can be a religion. They may not be organized but they are still something that people can place their beliefs in.

To say that wars would not have existed without the major organized religions is false. Wars are often started under the auspice of religion but rarely is religion the cause. Human desire to be superior and conquer those who differ from us is the root of all wars. Religion is the scapegoat.

Religion is an energy sapping mind controlling force

Its funny how subtly that quote contradicts itself.

It's sad that most people believe the world would be better without religion. Sure there would be no holy wars, but there would be more wars for territory and other things like that.

Without religion we would have no rules and no set of morals, beyond that, we would have nothing to live for.

If we have no rules or morals that religion aids to, does it really matter if I kill a person? does it really matter if I steal? You get the point.

Without religion, there would be no morals or foundation base, which would create more crime, more war, more fighting, more wasting of lives.

what is religion, religion is a label. the foundation of a religion, is a belief relating to something spiritual. What that really mean is you can believe in anything, create some fancy name for it, and call it a religion. So even if religion did not exist, people would find other beliefs to replace it, and label that crap something else. (Just think of the south park episode, where religion was eliminated and science and logic rose the new religious power!!)

overall religion is how you make it out to be really. like an object, it could be use for good or bad. Some peopel exploit religion and use it as a weapon of fear as a mean to gain political, social, or economic influences. The Crusades was merely an expansion of land and a display of power for the European nation. The Radical Islam group located in the Middle East, are using religion to gain political rights, without regards to people's lives, fabricating and corrupting the image of Allah to suit their needs. The Evangalist are no better from the Radical Islamic groups, using fear as key factors to draw people in to their beliefs "with tales of the DEVIL and the End Times," and producing product to "protect them" from their doom, only for economic purposes.

I believe there are alot of good potential in religion, well philsophically, most religion teach the basic foundation for what it is to be a "good" person, and methods to spiritually be attune with god. I just felt that these day people felt so disconnect with religion because of the lack of guidance, since some of the "leaders" are corrupted!!

And no I'm not atheist, I'm actually christian. But am I a true Christian? (refering back to that thread I saw, who stole the slogan from a radio comerical) I guess not, I'm more of the esoteric catholic.

Originally posted by skyblueff0

And no I'm not atheist, I'm actually christian. But am I a true Christian?

(refering back to that thread I saw, who stole the slogan from a radio comerical) I guess not, I'm more of the esoteric catholic.

um if this is the thread your talking about www.abovetopsecret.com... i started it and i have no idea what you are talking about with the radio slogan thing. so no i didnt steal anything. if thats not the thread your talking about then sorry.

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what a wonderful place we would be living in if there were no religion.

anyways... ;-P

and yes im still sure that people would have warred and more with out the excuse of religious reasons. They just would have found another excuse for war and hate i'm sure .

anyways...;-P

Originally posted by Columbus
There would have been no Holy Wars. The Middle East would be peaceful. The Vatican would not have accumulated enormous wealth and power and pitted the nations of Europe against each other time and time again.

Rome would not have collapsed and the Dark Ages would have been avoided.

Eh, you are stating some mighty words there my friend. Unfortunatly the Holy Wars were never truley about religion. It was a land grab, pure and simple. The individuals fighting the war may have been fighting for their religion but those in power knew how to use religion to control an army.

Religion gives a man something to fight for and is the perfect motivating force if you want to amass and move an army into a difficult and long fought conflict.

And your statement about Rome never falling...I am sorry but there is to much evidence to the contrary. In fact, Eastern Rome (in Constantinopel; present day Istanbul) was a deeply religious state unto itself. It survived long after the fall of the classic Western Rome.

The debate as to why rome fell is a deep seaded one among historians but most agree that it was a combination of barbaric preasures (many tribes/clans being forced west by other, more powerful tribes/clans) and internal decay.

The empire had grown to large to support itself and while fighting war it would leave vast sections of its north eastern boundries relativley undefended. The barbarians (especially the Visagoths at the very end) took advantage of this. The city of Rome itself was blockaded by the Visagoths and the citizens literally starved to death for some time before the barbarians came in.

This combined with internal conflict (emperor after emporer being killed off by their peers/their peers individual armies who remained loyal to sucessful commanders) led to Romes ultimate fall...Religion had a, if any, very small contribution to this.

And if we want to take it one step further: The Italian (and all other subsequent European) renaissance(s) came about on the grace of religion. Islam was a religion focused on learning and understanding. Until the internal schism led it in a direction of sectarian violance and defacement it was a institution that led the world in knowladge at its time.

The Islamic rediscovery and translation of ancient Greek/Roman texts led to the 'return' of culture, education and the arts to the European world.

History is a wonderful thing when you get past what you learn in grade school.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
... if there were no god, we wouldnt exist...

Then you believe in God.

And tell me, why is there the need of a God to Exist? Did God need a God to Exist? Then why do you think that we do?

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