Iran to Release 15 UK Sailors/Marines

Poor chickenhawks. I guess it's back to pounding the false nuclear scare tactics and next Hitler nonsense.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
No they weren't. Even the first statements out of Iran had their position well within Iraqi waters. FACT is .. they were illegally kidnapped from Iraqi waters. Period.

That can be proven can it?

I mean, you know for sure they were in Iraqi Waters? Even the story the British press has been publishing has changed time and time again. I've seen about 5 different reports and stories, so I seriously doubt if anyone knows beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened.

Fact is, equipment can go wrong.
Fact is, if these guys are safe than we should all be happy. If Iran illegally took them, it is a shame but it'd be worse if they had died.

Hi agit, I could maybe meet you half way here lol as the waters between Iran and Iraq have always been indispute.
After watching the images of the Uk troops talking to the Iranian president, do you believe he thinks this shows him in more of a good light?? I know there is a lot of opposition to him in Iran, do you think this is propaganda for his own people more than the west. I know he's a fruitcake but does he feel he is portraying a better image of himself by broadcasting these images.



[edit on 4-4-2007 by Kurokage]

The entire wolrd was basically just bent over and told by Iran that we can do whatever we want, whenever we want to whoever we want. Still, however, you people criticize the US and praise Iran.


If the US kidnapped 15 IRanian soldiers from Iran, this would be a musch different situation, with everyone calling the US the monster. Once they are home, the UK should show somes balls and strike something, anything, that way Iran knows not to ever do something like that again.

despise the events today ... I consider the move that President Ahmadinejad a clever move.

its very clever and not most that would put Iran in a different position. Other country might start to view Iran in different way. And probably put Us in the role of a the big bad wolf.

by releasing British soldiers he gain favor from Uk or any country who prefer the diplomatic way.

About the proof about British soldier were in Iran territory will be of no matter.
Iran has a different view how they perceive their sea territory border, then the worlds own view at Irans border.


Sincerely

Viperion

Originally posted by AwakeAndAllSeeing
Poor chickenhawks. I guess it's back to pounding the false nuclear scare tactics and next Hitler nonsense.

So you'd rather they were "big and tough" and killed these people? Yes more blood, more death. Yay! Go World!

Originally posted by esdad71
If the US kidnapped 15 IRanian soldiers from Iran, this would be a musch different situation, with everyone calling the US the monster. Once they are home, the UK should show somes balls and strike something, anything, that way Iran knows not to ever do something like that again.

Havent we effectivley done that?
Arent embassies and so forth considered territory on who's ever embassy or consulate it is?
I mean, we have just refused to release iranian diplomate we kidnap.... detained from Iraq.

We justify it through the war on terror...
Even though we are the illegial occupier...

Originally posted by esdad71
The entire wolrd was basically just bent over and told by Iran that we can do whatever we want, whenever we want to whoever we want. Still, however, you people criticize the US and praise Iran.

Who wants a war? And where is the praise of Iran coming from?

If the US kidnapped 15 IRanian soldiers from Iran, this would be a musch different situation, with everyone calling the US the monster.

What do you mean "if" There is no disputing the US kidnapped Iranians.
There is no situation of it being on a disputed border. The US has no moral high ground when it comes to grab and bags. Sorry champ, the Iranians can make a case that the Brits were in their waters. (AGAIN) The US can't.

Once they are home, the UK should show somes balls and strike something, anything, that way Iran knows not to ever do something like that again.

Yeah, show em how big our penis is. Just ask all the Iraqi's we've killed who has the biggest pecker in the world.

Originally posted by Kurokage
Hi agit, I could maybe meet you half way here lol as the waters between Iran and Iraq have always been indispute.
After watching the images of the Uk troops talking to the Iranian president, do you believe he thinks this shows him in more of a good light?? I know there is a lot of opposition to him in Iran, do you think this is propaganda for his own people more than the west.

I think he's mocking the west in those images.

'gift' ? c'mon... its more false image being put onto the world.

the masses really buy into this media crap.. its only people on this board that scurtinize and discuss the REALITY behind those images.

IT makes you wonder,

Were they in the wrong? and figured the best way to resolve it, by saving face is appearing to be the good guy? and release them?
OR
Has a deal been made behind doors, I mean the british have been responding rather kindly to them..
And I hear the Americans are letting iranian officials visit the detained iranians.
We cant appear to be dealing with them, it'll open the door for everyone.
But I definately think there's something behind the works here.
he wouldnt just release them, after kicking up all this fuss...

The only thing I know, is that NO ONE knows where those British were taken from accept the british sailors, and the iranians who took them.

Luckily, we only accept guilt under duress when it helps us!

So anyone who comes here accusing Iran of being in the wrong, or accuses the British from being in the wrong is jumping the gun.

Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by AwakeAndAllSeeing
Poor chickenhawks. I guess it's back to pounding the false nuclear scare tactics and next Hitler nonsense.

So you'd rather they were "big and tough" and killed these people? Yes more blood, more death. Yay! Go World!

What in the hell are you talking about? And how does my statement have anything to do with it?

Originally posted by Souljah
So,

Despite the fact, that these marines were violating Iran territory;

Despite the fact, that this was not the first incident of this time;

Desptie the fact, that MoD faked the maps to proove the location;

Despite the fact, that MoD faked the photo, to show the GPS data;

Despite the fact, that there are numerous western supported guerrilla groups operating in Iran;

People are still not satisfied with the ending of this "Drama"?

I wonder when was the last time a Gift of this kind was given by the Coalition in their mighty War on Terror.

Anyway - let us not rejoice to quickly and firstly wait for them to really get home.

1) Who's territory they were in si still up in the air!!!!
2)Thats right, it is NOT the first time Iranian Musliums have KIDNAPPED westerner's.
3)The proof is shaky at best-frankly not believed by most.
4)How many Iranian terrorist groups are in Iraq, Lebanon and many other area's
5)People are happy the brave lads and lady are -hopefully- going home.
The problem that is failed to be seen is that if you kidnap people in other countries water's and then release them after god only knows what.... most people won't forget the kidnapping part.
6)The gift that NATO gave Iran was not to flatten it and and send it back 100 years in time.
I am sure they don't appreciate that at all.

The last point is the only true and accurate one.
All the rejoicing need to be held up untill the brave people are safely with the UK.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
The last point is the only true and accurate one.
All the rejoicing need to be held up untill the brave people are safely with the UK.

Correct: It is strange that they would wait until tomorrow before flying out, I expect to hear some more on the Iranian detainees in Iraq before the plane takes off.

There are other threads talking about this huge dispute. This thread is about the release of the PRISONERS (not HOSTAGES).

I am very thankful that they are being released!

I am convinced that its a VERY smart move on Iran's part. They appear to the world as being very reasonable. They treated the prisoners very well. I look forward to hearing more from them.

An interesting point was made on a news channel by a guest "professional" that the UK sailors were shown in Iran as an invading force (yeah 15 sailors take on Iran, dont make me laugh) and that the Iranian president is showing a "warm and caring side" to both his own people and to the rest of the world by releasing these prisoners (hostages), and that it will show him in a better light to less hardliner Iranians.





[edit on 4-4-2007 by Kurokage]

New report saying plane departs tomorrow just posting FYI

British crews to leave Iran tomorrow

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iranian state television says the 15 captured British sailors and marines will leave Iran on a plane tomorrow.

I have a theory on this: Iran is big and brave because they believe they have the backing of the Russians. The Russians have been vocally against any military action against Iran, because of its investments in Iran (Weapon sales, nuclear tech).

My guess is that a deal was brokered with Russia behind the scenes, to the effect that the Coalition would recompense the Russians for lost investments in Iran, should the situation in Iran become a military confrontaiton. Without so much to lose in Iran, the Russians -still behind the scenes - either cut back or cut off their backing of Iran, and suddenly the Iranians aren't so brave and up for the fight.
Saying that the release of the Sailors is a 'gift' is just a way of saving face with his own people and trying to maintain some sort of diplomatic high ground.

Originally posted by Paul
I have a theory on this: Iran is big and brave because they believe they have the backing of the Russians. The Russians have been vocally against any military action against Iran, because of its investments in Iran (Weapon sales, nuclear tech).

My guess is that a deal was brokered with Russia behind the scenes, to the effect that the Coalition would recompense the Russians for lost investments in Iran, should the situation in Iran become a military confrontaiton. Without so much to lose in Iran, the Russians -still behind the scenes - either cut back or cut off their backing of Iran, and suddenly the Iranians aren't so brave and up for the fight.
Saying that the release of the Sailors is a 'gift' is just a way of saving face with his own people and trying to maintain some sort of diplomatic high ground.

thats a good theory,
Have the russians made any drastic moves or anything in regards to sales/support to iran?

JacKatMtn, there is no mention of "hostages" in your news source, yet the title uses that loaded word.

These prisoners were taken for invading Iranian water space (whether or not that's true, and we don't know yet if it is). There were no demands set for their release and as far as we now know, there were no "exchange of hostages" or demands met that triggered their release, so they were not hostages.

Hostage
1 a : a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement b : a person taken by force to secure the taker's demands

The Bush administration and the MSM are beating this word into the public and unfortunately, some are sucking it up it like pablum for a fried, non-thinking brain. :shk:

I'm just sayin...

Edit: I see the title has been changed... In my best Emily Litella voice... "Never Mind"

Emily Litella

[edit on 4-4-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Paul
I have a theory on this: Iran is big and brave because they believe they have the backing of the Russians. The Russians have been vocally against any military action against Iran, because of its investments in Iran (Weapon sales, nuclear tech).

My guess is that a deal was brokered with Russia behind the scenes, to the effect that the Coalition would recompense the Russians for lost investments in Iran, should the situation in Iran become a military confrontaiton. Without so much to lose in Iran, the Russians -still behind the scenes - either cut back or cut off their backing of Iran, and suddenly the Iranians aren't so brave and up for the fight.
Saying that the release of the Sailors is a 'gift' is just a way of saving face with his own people and trying to maintain some sort of diplomatic high ground.

Interesting speculation. But I don't think that has happened. I mentioned earlier in the thread the opinion articles from Russian media that I have read that show that the Russians are desperate to keep the Americans out of the Middle East because they think the Americans want to conquer the Middle East and then Russia. So I don't think based on that that Russia would assent to a deal that would put the Americans on their border.

Demands were set for their release. Firstly, all of the hostages had to 'confess'. They all did. Then the Uk Government had to apologise and say that it won't happen again. Whether they did that in secrecy, I don't know. But maybe that peace loving, caring Mahmood decided that they could be released as a 'gift' without the Brits having to apoligise.

If the government did apologise, and it comes out that they did, despite still insisting we were in Iraqi waters, there will be uproar, and the Conservatives will walk all over New Labour and will win the next election.