North Korea... A nation afraid?

I urge you to watch these two short clips from YouTube...

Inside North Korea Part 1
Inside North Korea Part 2

Having watched these, I believe that the older generation of North Koreans are aware of the lies being told to them on a minute by minute basis. However, I think the current generation have been indoctrinated by the propaganda machine.

They seem to be a people who have genuine fear for their lives, should they question their leader. Surely anybody on this entire board who holds communist ideals should immediately rescind the notion.

Even worse is the thought that this nation that creates so much fear to control its own people posseses nuclear weapons in a time where its people are starving to death. How long before revolution? And then how long before this retarded pit of a country lashes out?

Originally posted by boyg2004
Surely anybody on this entire board who holds communist ideals should immediately rescind the notion.

I'm realy getting tired of having to explain this to people.

N. Korea is NOT a Communist state, it was originaly based on a kind
of Lennism/Stallinism, but has changed to become a quasi-theocratic
authoritarian dictatorship monarchy.

Would that qualify as 'communism gone bad'? Sounds like an american TV show!

So it started out as communism and ended up a dictatorship demanding deification of the leader. Is it just me, or has this happened before?

USSR

CUBA

CHINA

and it's happening in Venezuela under Hugo Chavez.

Communism demands a dictator to hold together the human nature that tears it apart. It is a failed philosophy.

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Russian: Влади́мир Ильи́ч Улья́нов, IPA: [vlʌˈdʲimʲɪr ɪˈlʲitɕ uˈlʲanəf], better known by the alias Lenin (help·info) (Ленин)) (April 22, 1870 – January 21, 1924), was a Russian revolutionary, a communist

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Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (help·info) (Georgian: იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე ჯუღაშვილი, Ioseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili; Russian: Ио́сиф Виссарио́нович Джугашвили, Iosif Vissarionovič Džugašvili) (December 18 [O.S. December 6] 1878[1] – March 5, 1953), better known by his adopted name, Joseph Stalin (alternatively transliterated Josef Stalin), was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union's Central Committee from 1922 until 1953.

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The above is to clarify that stalinist / leninist would actually qualify as communism, before it reverted to the disaster that it was pre-determined to become.

Both quotes are from the first paragraph on each subject from Wikipedia.

I do agree that it has morphed from traditional communism.

Back to the point. It is a dangerous nation playing dangerous games with a dangerous population. Do a search on North Korea in YouTube and have a look at the way the nation is misled. And we wonder why Mr. Bush considers this as part of the 'Axis of Evil'?

It is the worst of the lot!!!!

[edit on 2/4/07 by boyg2004]

Mod Edit: Added Links To External Sources.

[edit on 2/4/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by boyg2004
Would that qualify as 'communism gone bad'? Sounds like an american TV show!

No, because it was never based on Communism in the first place.

Lenninism is based for the most part on Marxist Communism, but believes in vilent revolution.

Stallinism really onyl has a few Communist ideologies in it, and is more
of an authoritarian state.

Is it just me, or has this happened before?

USSR
CUBA
CHINA

No, waht has happened ina ll those cases is a system based on
Stallinism.

USSR was never really based on true Communism, and ended
up becoming Lenninist, than Stallinist.

Cuba was and is based on a kind of Lenninist Stallinism.

China is a mix of Lenninist, Stallinist Maoism with a capitlaisitc
market being created.

and it's happening in Venezuela under Hugo Chavez.

No, it is not, Venezuela is a Democratic Socialist state, and while it may have some negative aspects, it is not Communist.

Communism demands a dictator to hold together the human nature that tears it apart. It is a failed philosophy.

No, true Communism advocates a leader during the initial revolution,
but than transfers power to the people after that, and advocates an
eventual anarchic state.

Treu Communism has never been tried.

When the defenders of Communism fall back to "it hasn't been done right" excuse when it comes to defending the failures of their pet ideology. The comedic value skyrockets like next hot IPO when they further their assertions by using current "Democracies" and "Capitalistic Economies" to demonstrate the flaws in those philosophies.

The common denominator? The foibles and follies of the single common element... Mankind. Eliminate the human factor and I could live with any system.

Communism by any other name is still the mechanism of suppression and misery... I'll take my chances in a free market system operation with some form of representative government (regardless of how little is represented).

That is until the apes rise up and make this planet the utopia it was all intended to be.

General Thade Monkeys, not just for the subjugation of all the filthy humans anymore...

Originally posted by boyg2004
Communism ... It is a failed philosophy.

Yes it is. And Mirthful Me said it beautifully.

It HAS been done. Many times. It always fails.

I'll take my Republic with it's capitalistic economy ANY DAY over the failures of Communism.