Bible is a recent hack job mystery solved

like i've told you a hundred times before
do some proper research
your arguments are all straw man ones
e.g.
claiming that I said that the cylinder seal of adad is Sumerian
I didn't
claiming that I said that the texts were Sumerian
I didn't
claiming that the Sumerians were Ubaidians
they weren't
claiming that Sumerians made your lizard figures
they didn't

and the search for one decent confirmable fact in the rubbish you post goes on
this is the last time I am going to tell you this
start your own thread
you have trolled enough of your aliens did it hypothesis in this one and now it is ruined
So I am not going to bother postingany more relevant information in it
you really have no idea that you post complete crap that doesn't stand up to the lightest of examinations do you

You warning about trolling is like the pot calling the kettle black. Please let this be the last post, I can't stand this thread anymore.

like you can talk
every single one of your posts has been a personal attack against every one who doesnt agree with you
youve been shown up to be a bigot
a hippocrite
and a person who makes one ignorant statement after another
and now youre trying to tell me what I am
laughable

and one things trolls don't ever do
is start threads with verifiable information


[edit on 2-4-2007 by Marduk]

Well...

Looks as if that chap Marduk was put off. Taking his marbles and running.

I appreciate your posting undo, it certainly gets me to thinking. I can't stand being tied to one viewpoint, even if it means being all over the map.

And it also ties into my AI theory as well! There is another subject for another thread. But all the same, I enjoyed this one too!

Originally posted by Matyas
Well...

Looks as if that chap Marduk was put off. Taking his marbles and running.

I appreciate your posting undo, it certainly gets me to thinking. I can't stand being tied to one viewpoint, even if it means being all over the map.

And it also ties into my AI theory as well! There is another subject for another thread. But all the same, I enjoyed this one too!

AI theory? You gonna post it? Let me know if you do, U2U me or something.

Yeah, its a mutt. Cobbled together from many differing sources, loosly tied together with speculation, complete with assumptions and generalizations. I don't expect it to be accepted so I don't plan on promoting it, and detractors will find cause for criticism at every turn.

So that is why I have cold feet starting a thread on it, I don't want to see it degrade into attacks and infighting. Even I don't have a clear roadmap, so how can I lead anybody else?

It starts out innocent enough, a hypothesis that an intelligent species that posesses a strong survival instinct will try to reproduce, even artifically if it can. Then taking into consideration the age of the universe and the probibility of such intelligent species existing throughout for untold millions of years...

Enter the Biblical connotations, "to be the most high (as God)"

Enter the classic story elements like Frankenstein

Enter the conspiracies like the Disclosure Project

Enter the Transhumans (just for good measure)

As you can see, it gets quite complicated very rapidly! I would ask you to help, but you have your hands full with the Moon Thread, which in itself is one of the greatest anomalies on the Inet. I think I can sit on it for a while longer and wait for more to come out, as some did recently with the (highly controversial) Morgellons findings. Its just a matter of time before the people begin thinking about alternative realities like AI, and then that will be the right time.

feel free to post it on the living moon forum.

The problem is people treat the Bible as a destination. They worship writings without understanding them, praise the name of God while turning back on their neighbor. It is a collection of writings from Phoenician, Summerian, Ackaddian, Cannanite, and who knows what other cultures. It was assembled by scholars to create the foundation for the hebrew religion and beliefs, which is fine, but should not be confused as the sole record of humanity or of the relationship god has with humans.
There is ample proof it is not.

Fuego, I don't think you understand how biblical writers wrote. Just because a writing has Egyptian, Phoenician, whatever influences does not mean that it is Egyptian or Phoenician. I'm pretty confident that most if not all the writers of the books of the Bible were Jews, the only book I'm not reasonably sure about is Job, and no one really has a clue who wrote that. What the writers were trying to do is create works that were culturally relevant and appealed to a large audience at a place that was the center of several major trade routes.

Don't get too excited here - this has been basic Seminary teaching for over 30 years. Its called the Documentary Hypothesis and is the prevailing theory among Liberal Biblical Scholars. Its old news.

Originally posted by Thinker_1
Don't get too excited here - this has been basic Seminary teaching for over 30 years. Its called the Documentary Hypothesis and is the prevailing theory among Liberal Biblical Scholars. Its old news.

the documentary hypothesis is nothing at all similar to what I am saying in this thread
that theory claims that the Bible is made up of four main sources that all originate with Jewish scribes between the 8th and late 5th centuries BCE.
clearly many of the texts started as stories told in earlier civilisations and in different religions way before that time

posted by ubercanist
Just because a writing has Egyptian, Phoenician, whatever influences does not mean that it is Egyptian or Phoenician
you are clearly ignoring the facts
the two examples I have given are not influences
they are stories from a different religion written before Judaism existed
the Bible is plagiarised
and your belief in its sanctity is a statement of ignorance

This pretty much sums it up.

1. You find a web site name Kevin W. Davison's home page that states he has consulted many manuscripts and sources to determine the dates various Bible books are published. You decide to cut and paste this en total with zero research as to who Kevin is or what his credentials are. There is no itemization or biblipgraphy on Kevin's site to remotely substantiate anything there

I'm trying to figure out why you are posting this false, unproven garbage over here and not in the religious forum.

If anyone else posted a Bible thread in here you would be the first one complaining.

Lol. Is it your life's work to discredit the bible, even when it takes such extensive writing and research, only to prove something most already know, that the Tanakh was written throughout the 1st through 10th centuries B.C.

They tell stores of a time before, but werent written in a time before.

Remember the worldwide, or at least Mediterranean cataclysm that took place around 1400 B.C. which destroyed the Minoans & their culture, and their isle of Santorini. Any Volcanic eruption of such size has been computer estmated to spread ash through the surrounding atmosphere, blocking out the Sun for the Jews, Egyptians, Canaanites, Greeks, and others, anyone near the Med. It also caused desolation of crops and the falling of cultures, and the rising of others.

The Myceneans came and conquered the weakened, pacifist Minoans.

And the "Sea People" of the Bible were like Cilician Pirates from Anatolia. Or Greeks from the Aegean. Nevertheless, the Tanakh is an account of all this.

If there was a major disaster in the area, and there has been a few (such as the Santorini eruption circa 1400b.c., earthquakes, particularly one that seperated Yemen and Arabian coast from Somalia. Another disaster that destroyed the 'cities on the plain', who's remnants are deep below the "dead sea". I wonder why they call it.. DEAD sea..

My point is, you couldnt hope to find written manuscripts and texts of these books older than 1 millenium BC because the texts either didn't exist at that time and it was oral traditions (alot of cultures to this day keep their myth lore in oral spoken form non written, ever), or the texts have deteriorated beyond use or into a pile of dust. How could paper survive major catacylismic events.. did they even have papyrus scrolls in 1,000 BC?

Anything before 1400BC is GONE .. in that area. Strangely, you can dot the entire Globe with cultures that fell into ruin, hardship, and died out or assimilated with other peoples in that time period. It's actually quite creepy.

The evidence is clear that a world changing, human changing event occured in our history during the time of 1400ish BC. This is why theres no bible texts before that time, because had they existed prior to 1400BC, certainly they were lost, which left only oral traditions, which were passed along the grapevine of history. This changed the stories around considerably before they were put to text, and the difference can be seen between the Jewish version Tanakh and the Christian version Old Testament, as well as the Qu'ran when it speaks of the same events. All slightly different.

[edit on 4/5/2007 by runetang]

Originally posted by runetang
Lol. Is it your life's work to discredit the bible, even when it takes such extensive writing and research, only to prove something most already know, that the Tanakh was written throughout the 1st through 10th centuries B.C.

the Tanakh is not what i am talking about here
did you read any of the previous posts ?
you seem to be unable to comprehend what has been discussed in this thread so far
at no time have I tried to discredit the bible
I have in fact proved that it contains stories far older than the reliion that wrote it
is it your idea to claim that every story in the bible didn't exist until the religion was made up by the Hebrews in the first millenium bce
thats discrediting it imo

Originally posted by runetang
They tell stores of a time before, but werent written in a time before.

er yeah whatever
they just happen to be practically word for word the same as stories written 1500 years earlier
are you blind or being deliberately obtuse ?

Originally posted by runetang
Remember the worldwide, or at least Mediterranean cataclysm that took place around 1400 B.C. which destroyed the Minoans & their culture, and their isle of Santorini.

ah i see you are an advocate of lets twist history to fit the bibical perspective
fyi Thera erupted around 1600bce and the bibical claim of Israelites slaves in Egypt has no supporting evidence whatever
in the original version of the Bible translated by Rabbi's into greek they claimed that while they were in egypt they built Heliopolis
however this claim vanished from later versions when it was discovered that Heliopolis was predynastic
any reasonable explanation why that happened have you ?

Originally posted by runetang
Any Volcanic eruption of such size has been computer estmated to spread ash through the surrounding atmosphere, blocking out the Sun for the Jews, Egyptians, Canaanites, Greeks, and others, anyone near the Med. It also caused desolation of crops and the falling of cultures, and the rising of others.

I don't remember reading that in the bible
are you making this up as you go along or are you now just posting in complete ignorance of the facts ?

Originally posted by runetang
The Myceneans came and conquered the weakened, pacifist Minoans.

the pacifist Minoans ?
do you have any grasp of real history at all ?
the minoans had the most powerful navy in the whole of the mediteranean
are you thinking they were pacifists because they didn't have a standing army
thats a bit dense don't you think when their navy annihilated any hostile ship that encroached in their waters

Originally posted by runetang
And the "Sea People" of the Bible were like Cilician Pirates from Anatolia. Or Greeks from the Aegean. Nevertheless, the Tanakh is an account of all this.

no it isn't
your idea of what the Tanakh is seems laughable
do you actually know what the Tanakh is or are you just attempting to redact history because of a personal belief here
laughable attempt imo

Originally posted by runetang
If there was a major disaster in the area, and there has been a few (such as the Santorini eruption circa 1400b.c., earthquakes, particularly one that seperated Yemen and Arabian coast from Somalia. Another disaster that destroyed the 'cities on the plain', who's remnants are deep below the "dead sea". I wonder why they call it.. DEAD sea..

you might wonder but only because you haven't got a clue really
its called the dead sea because it has a high salt content
it can't support much marine life
hence dead sea because not much lives in it
doh

Originally posted by runetang
My point is, you couldnt hope to find written manuscripts and texts of these books older than 1 millenium BC because the texts either didn't exist at that time and it was oral traditions (alot of cultures to this day keep their myth lore in oral spoken form non written, ever), or the texts have deteriorated beyond use or into a pile of dust. How could paper survive major catacylismic events.. did they even have papyrus scrolls in 1,000 BC?

I think you need to go back and read the first post then don't you
I have found written clay tablets which contain biblical stories which date from 2300bce
is there in fact anything you do know about this subject ?
apat from your personal belief which isn't relevant ?

Originally posted by runetang
Anything before 1400BC is GONE .. in that area. Strangely, you can dot the entire Globe with cultures that fell into ruin, hardship, and died out or assimilated with other peoples in that time period. It's actually quite creepy.

its actually a fact you made up to infer something happened when it didn't
in 1400bce there were plenty of cultures worldwide that were flourishing
the Babylonian empire for instance was at its strongest during this period
which is how it managed to pass on the stories that this entire thread is talking about
the Phoenecians also seem to be blissfully unaware of this catastrophe you are talking about and rose from strength to strength in this period
once again I'm gonna have to ask you
did you actually read the first post or are you just posting non event facts to support your fragile hold on reality

Originally posted by runetang
The evidence is clear that a world changing, human changing event occured in our history during the time of 1400ish BC. This is why theres no bible texts before that time, because had they existed prior to 1400BC, certainly they were lost, which left only oral traditions, which were passed along the grapevine of history. This changed the stories around considerably before they were put to text, and the difference can be seen between the Jewish version Tanakh and the Christian version Old Testament, as well as the Qu'ran when it speaks of the same events. All slightly different.

the Christian version old testament ?
now that really is funny
you see they wrote their own testament and kept the old testament intact
you really haven't got a clue what youre talking about have you
there were no Oral traditons passed along the hebrew culture in 1400bce
the hebrew culture didn't exist at this period

during this time they were all living in Canaan and worshipping an assortment of Gods who have no similarity to anything found in the Bible (or the Tanakh :lol at all
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Marduk
there were no Oral traditons passed along the hebrew culture in 1400bce
the hebrew culture didn't exist at this period

during this time they were all living in Canaan and worshipping an assortment of Gods who have no similarity to anything found in the Bible (or the Tanakh :lol

at all
en.wikipedia.org...

First your link proves absolutely noting date wise about the Hebrews. What it does do is shoot down your past agrument that BAAL was not a god as your link clearly shows that BAAL is a god.

The Hebrews were not in Canaan in 1400 bc they were in Egypt just as the archaeological evidence proves.

www.cynet.com...

There is not much question about the timeline. The problem with the timeline occurs earliar with attempts to conceal the timeline of Babel and the start of Religion and false gods in Babylon.

I can see you posting in this thread sunmatrix from the main page but as I put you on ignore some time ago for always talking crap I can't read what youre saying
no doubt though it will be more unsubstantiated crap about how your lord and master Satan is everywhere like you said several times before
so thanks but no thanks I rreally have no interest listening to what a self confessed satanist has to say about anything

I don't blame you for putting me on ignore as you constantly get your "ahem" handed to you as I continually prove you wrong.

Nothing has changed.............except now you are hiding from me.

No sweat

I did see a nice post that you made on another thread with the sparkplugs.

Come on..............do it...........Put me on your foe list.

Maybe they could start a new category. Foes that you're afraid of....

[edit on 6-4-2007 by Sun Matrix]

edit by spiderj, no circumventing t&c

[edit on 4/8/2007 by Spiderj]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix


The Hebrews were not in Canaan in 1400 bc they were in Egypt just as the archaeological evidence proves.

www.cynet.com...

There is not much question about the timeline. The problem with the timeline occurs earliar with attempts to conceal the timeline of Babel and the start of Religion and false gods in Babylon.

Did you take the time to check out the other timelines on that site?

FRom this timeline it seems as if the US is already destroyed

Oh and apparently the Antichrist has also been revealed. Must have missed that in the news

Originally posted by Fett Pinkus


Did you take the time to check out the other timelines on that site?

I only looked at the timeline in question. It was close enough to be used. I can find plenty of timelines that put the Hebrews in Egypt at this time.

Originally posted by Fett Pinkus

Oh and apparently the Antichrist has also been revealed. Must have missed that in the news

Not that I agree with the timeline in this time period.......... But did you check the litte box on the bottom right that gave a -3 or +11 year window?