Iran's Video Shows British Trespassing Iranian Waters.

Here's the Iranian version on CNN showing British sailors 'trespassing' into Iranian waters.

It's difficult to comment at this stage but IMHO the British did enter Iranian waters. If so, was it on purpose, to up the ante?

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More propoganda by the Iranians...

Im sorry after what they have done I do no believe, anything Iran says now, they have proven themselves to be a bunch of liars.....

Of course, because the British have been totally honest too hey?

Why not comment on the video, rather than dismiss it simply because it came from a muslim nation....

im yet to watch it, but im very interested to comment ON The footage, and not the people whom made it.

Being your profile says deny ignorance,

Your being pretty ignorant.


Ok, I just watched the video.
My take?

The title of this thread is misleading, at no point did the iranians show a video proving where they were.
They simply did EXACTLY What the british did, use a map, some co-ordinates and say

'' they were here ''

Its very interesting though, how some people take the british word as being honest, yet when the Iranians do the EXACT same thing, there obviously lying.

I still say Iran have nothing to gain, by kidnapping british navy inside iraqi waters.
The british have strayed into Iranian waters on MANY occasion, so you cannot rule it out.

Neither side has shown definitive evidence of where they were.

Right now, the only thing that makes me lead towards the british, is because Iran are forcing them to admit where they were, in exchange for the hostages.

Where as if they dont, obviosuly diplomacy is not going to go anywhere on this issue.

My conclusion?

We shouldnt of been in the area, to even have been in this situation.
The coalition deserves everything they get, because what we are doing is illegial. And our leaders deserve to be tried and convicted.


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What makes you think, I have not even looked at the footage? So dont call me ignorant you dont even freakin know me........

When a Country's Gov, shows one set of co - ordinates, which cleary shows that thiose servicemen/women was in Iraqi waters, then 5 days laters, then they say oh sorry ole chap, those co-ordinates were wrong, we now have new co-ordinates, (laughable) No Gov who wanted to defuse this situation would make suchj a mistake, How can anyone believe anything the Iraninan Gov says ehh........

And finally those servicemen are there under a UN coalition Force not a UK OR US force, A UN, so really you have no leg to stand on saying that they shouldnt be there in the first place, if you are refferring to them being there before they came under the UN UMbrella then oks I agree with you to some extent.

Either way you look at it Iran acted illegally.... simple...







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[edit on 30/3/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by Kristol n Stauss

Ok, I just watched the video.
My take?

The title of this thread is misleading, at no point did the iranians show a video proving where they were.

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I agree,

I need some popcorn.........

[edit on 2007/3/30 by JacKatMtn]

Originally posted by JacKatMtn

I need some popcorn.........

[edit on 2007/3/30 by JacKatMtn]

Please share And I love those dogs!

Did anyone see the photo of the handheld gps on the news the other day?A UK helicopter was at the scene after the incdent happend and a photo shows a handheld gps showing the ships position was in Iraq's waters.

The title of this thread is misleading. The video in no way shows the British trespassing into Iranian waters. It shows some Iranian military person showing where the British are allegedly to have entered Iranian waters six times. This definitively shows nothing. HAD the Brits strayed into Iranian waters the Iranians are obliged to inform them, escort them out of their waters and file a grievance with the British government. Instead, they just take them prisoner. It's BS. Irrespective of where the Brits were or where the Iranians thought they were, taking them prisoner, parading them on television, coercing statements and denying consular access are provocative, inflamatory and illegal acts. Period.

And just what sort of military patrol on a fast acting response mission to a trespass just happens to bring along a video camera..??

Originally posted by Kristol n Stauss
My take?

The title of this thread is misleading, at no point did the iranians show a video proving where they were.

I don't understand how the title of this thread is 'misleading'!

At no point did I mention that the vid showed the latest incursion. It is meant to show that coalition forces have been infringing the territorial waters of Iran frequently.

This could be due to disdain, to up the ante, to cock a snook at the Iranians or just a plain navigation error. I tend to go with the 'upping the ante' strategy which aims at applying military and diplomatic pressure on them.

Cheers!

But Mike, where in the video does it 'prove' that anyone made an incursion? You have the Iranian military dude apparently making that claim but what proof is that? It's all a he-said-she-said thing. No proof whatsoever. What makes the Iranian claim appear far less credible is the fact that they submitted position coordinates that were supposed to have proved that the Brits were in Iranian waters. However, using those very coordinates it was pointed out to the Iranians that they would put the Brits in Iraqi waters. The Iranians then submitted a second set of coordinates. What? You don't find that move even a little sketchy???

I would not put it past the iranians to have planned to kidnap any western sailors who even got close to their territory.i.e.an ambush.Why they did this?Maybe to throw off attention from the fact that the security council wants to shut them down.for their public consumption to show that they can put pressure on a western country by holding them hostage.using these hostages for their propagandistic designs(the letters,videos).perhaps to try to stave off a future attack by having these hostages hidden.Now im hearing that they may have trial but could be simply released if the brit would simply get on their knees,apologize for an imagined crime.i.e kiss irans ass.

Originally posted by jtma508
But Mike, where in the video does it 'prove' that anyone made an incursion? You have the Iranian military dude apparently making that claim but what proof is that? It's all a he-said-she-said thing. No proof whatsoever.

Agreed! We don't know at this point in time whether the Iranians are lying or the Brits. It's 50-50. As you must be aware, identifying a boundary on water in the visual mode is not the same as doing so on land where one has easily recognizable features to go by.

But all said and done, what was the necessity of getting that close to an international boundary when the atmosphere is pregnant with hostility? Riding the razor's edge is not a good idea!

Originally posted by Xfile

I would not put it past the iranians to have planned to kidnap any western sailors who even got close to their territory.i.e.an ambush.
...perhaps to try to stave off a future attack by having these hostages hidden.

Bingo! But probably for a clean swap with the Iranians taken by the Americans in Iraq?

Originally posted by mikesingh
Agreed! We don't know at this point in time whether the Iranians are lying or the Brits. It's 50-50. As you must be aware, identifying a boundary on water in the visual mode is not the same as doing so on land where one has easily recognizable features to go by.

It would seem that the British have given better proof of their innocence so far. The video of the helicopter which was hovering above the Indian ship, which showed the GPS coordinates that proves that it was in Iraqi waters being the best proof. The Iranians giving two sets of GPS Coordinates after them being told their first were wrong. The proof the Iranians have is the sailers supposedly admitting that they were in Irani waters, though this, to me, looks obviously coerced

Originally posted by mikesingh
But all said and done, what was the necessity of getting that close to an international boundary when the atmosphere is pregnant with hostility? Riding the razor's edge is not a good idea!

Well the necessity was to check on the Indian ship that was stranded in very shallow waters. They were doing their job and taking care of anyone who might need help

Originally posted by mikesingh
pregnant with hostility?

That's a terrible metaphor!