Iranian Mob Calls for Execution of Brits

Things are defiantly getting crazy over there. I think we are in the calm before the storm right now. I don't see how the problem is going to solve itself. the UK and Iran have both made what seems to be there final offers.

Iran: Wants UK to admit they were in Iranian waters. To solve the situation.

UK: Wants the hostages back yesterday. And will not budge.

There is no way in my opinion to solve this problem with out a confrontation.

I just saw this ATS article too. Look what Iran is now accusing the British of.

Here is the link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by selfless

Originally posted by Digital_Reality

No I am not, Nice try.
I said the country is jacked up! It does not mean I'm a racist. It means that they are jacked up on a governmental level. Not on a personal or individual level.

It's not a matter of trying.


No, you said that the whole country is a mob and the subject of the mob in this thread was people who wanted to murder the detained soldiers.

I am not trying to bring you down my friend, i am just trying to bring some peace in your thinking.

And also if you think Iran is jacked up on a governmental level then what do you consider USA to be? Perfect? I am sorry to tell you but USA is one of the worst of them all.


Oh, you mean the U.s is one of the worst such as North Korea, Sudan, Rowanda,etc. that have some of the worst human rights violation the world has ever seen.


[edit on 29-3-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by biggie smalls

Why don't they disarm the UK and US? Why do they not have the right to the nuclear bomb if Israel and the West are allowed? Doesn't this seem a bit skewed?


Is this because they are a Muslim country and shouldn't be trusted because of that?

I find everyone's argument for why the British soldiers should be released and the war argument VERY VERY WEAK!!!

Come up with some better responses. #, the Iraq war had at least a little bit better of an excuse.


[edit on 29-3-2007 by biggie smalls]

I saw a documentary on Iran, and the people within that documentary seemed very normal kind people. So my postings have nothing to do with the majority of the people of Iran, or their religion, I couldnt get a rats about their religion.

Yes the US and other countries have nukes. But they are not just going to nuke somebody because they dont agree with their religion, or way of life. Iran is run by terrorists, which has been evidenced very recently by illegally taking hostage the British soldiers. There are confirmed authentic reports that Iran originally gave the GPS coords of where these soliders were taken hostage. These coords were confirmed to be in IRAQI waters. Iran then changed their statement with different coords.

This very simply presents an image of the government in Iran. You can argue to you are blue in the face, but this is not normal behaviour. So would you trust a country like Iran (with its current government) with weapons of mass destruction?? If you would then you are a fool.

Let me just put this in more perspective to you. You are arguing why the US and co can have nuclear weapons but not Iran... Think of this, would you allow a maniac to build and have a gun? No you wouldn't.

But just how the problem is solved is very complicated.

Do they invade, to take out the nuclear threat. Or do nothing, be fustrated by the diplomatic avenue which will amount to nothing more than giving Iran time to build the Nukes. Once it has them it will then use these tools as a way of bargain. The difference being is that Iran is actually crazy enough to use them.

If you still disagree with the above, then I am glad you hold no power to change this world as it is clear that it would turn into nuclear chaos.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
You know what I find very funny, is if IRAN came over UK waters, They would have been captured, and all the same things would happen, you people are dumb to think that going to war with iran solves the problem, risking killing innocent people and children because of a few soldiers, there are other ways to solve problems, and I hope our leaders can be mature enough to do that.

Wrong. It is very clear that the only legal action is to escort the trespassing vessel back into international waters. Capturing the crew is illegal even if they ARE in your waters. Then you open diplomatic channels asking why that vessel had entered territorial waters.

It's definately Iran itching for trouble here, no one else.

All they had to do was check out the soldiers storys and those of the crew of the Indian ship and let them go on their way when they were satisfied that they weren't carrying nukes,dirty bombs or suicide backpacks or anything else that could cause mass harm.

Even if they were in Iranian waters, which they weren't, after an initial interrogation of their motives they should have been let go.
If Iran didn't want any trouble, they would have done that.
Why are they making a big deal about this?
Parading them on TV, totally humiliating the lady by making her wear a headscarf? ( I assume that's not stock military supplies)

If they want trouble, give it to them. Either that or send in a SWAT team to rescue the hostages/navy personel.

Whether it's really her words or not, the lady wrote and read out an apology. That should now be the end of it. But it's not. Wonder why?

Iran has as much of a right to exist as we do. Just because they captured British sailors who most likely were in Iranian waters anyway does not mean we have the right to bomb Tehran.

They were not in Iranian waters, they were in Iraqi Waters..... Even the first co-ordinates Iran handed over to the UK placed those servicemen in IraQI WATERS, No one in their right
ming makes a mistake like that... Come on get a grip.........

You know what I find very funny, is if IRAN came over UK waters, They would have been captured, and all the same things would happen, you people are dumb to think that going to war with iran solves the problem, risking killing innocent people and children because of a few soldiers, there are other ways to solve problems, and I hope our leaders can be mature enough to do that.

Oh sooo, we just side on ourbacksides and let Iran treat the UK's servicement like scum? How do we know they havnt harmed the servicemen yet? Or Do we just let the Iranians Trial those servicemen or execute them???

I do not freakin think so, Do you know if this happened 20 Years ago We would be @ war right now with them...

Just be glad it isnt 20 yers ago I swear.... I think the UK Gov so far has shown alot of restraint, going to diplomatic route first of all, before the UK takes any other action.

Hmm,
First of all I'll assume that the british soldiers were captured on the iraqi side of the borders. Or that they should've been escorted out if they were captured in Iranian waters as others pointed out. Not that I think it'll matter because UK _will_ continue to claim they were captured inside Iraqi waters, and Iran, well I can't see how they would just say "Sorry chaps seems we did a misstake, you actually were in Iraqi waters".

What can Iran possibly hope to achieve with this stunt? The soldiers are being used as propaganda, mainly against the Iranian people themselves. Although I don't think an angry mob will get the soldiers executed. Then again maybe that Iran is actually convinced that there will be a war and are just trying to start it on their own terms (whatever they might be), altough this is one _big_ assumption. Then again, one shouldn't underestimate desperate people to do stupid things.

I just hope that diplomacy, sanctions etc can get the soldiers out of Iran, unharmed. Because what if diplomacy fails? If UK/US (US will have a hand in the game, one way or another.) tries to rescure their soldiers. First of all they might decide to blow Iran to smithereens.
If a more 'subtle' way of rescuing them is attempted and it succeeds, how will the Iranians act? Start lobbing missiles at Israel and Iraq? et voilà war.Altough I find it somewhat improbable, but they could always try to argue that UK/US is the actual aggressors and thus gain more support. If a rescue attempt fails; then how would UK/US react? It would be a propaganda victory for Iran no doubt. Even more people would want to see Irans head on a table. Seriously let's hope those soldiers are released unharmed ("at the mercy of Iran"; or whatever they'd like to call it). Because it can only get worse, and cause more suffering.

On a sidenote I don't think I would like to see a Iran with nuclear capabilities, but I don't think it's time for 'action' either. That's another thread though.

[edit on 2007-3-30 by Nothing]

Originally posted by Nothing
If a more 'subtle' way of rescuing them is attempted and it succeeds, how will the Iranians act? Start lobbing missiles at Israel and Iraq? et voilà war.Altough I find it somewhat improbable, but they could always try to argue that UK/US is the actual aggressors and thus gain more support. If a rescue attempt fails; then how would UK/US react? It would be a propaganda victory for Iran no doubt. Even more people would want to see Irans head on a table. Seriously let's hope those soldiers are released unharmed ("at the mercy of Iran"; or whatever they'd like to call it). Because it can only get worse, and cause more suffering.

[edit on 2007-3-30 by Nothing]

You raise a good question actually - how would Iran react if the SAS make a successful extraction of the 15? And on the other side, what if the special forces are killed/captured in their attempt, what will Iran do and what on earth do WE do next?

Iran has stated that the UK has made incursions into their waters six times. Yet they never lodged a single complaint with the British government? As other posters have clearly pointed-out, when a country enters another's territorial waters, the latter simply escorts them back into international waters and files a complaint with the former's government. That is how it is handled --- all over the world. These things happen all the time (think Japan / NK / SK for example). So, as others have clearly pointed out, Iran has acted provocatively and inappropriately. Also, Iran:

- By parading these sailors/marines on television

- Coercing statements (if anyone believes these statements are truly the words of the individuals that Iran purports them to be, you are smoking WAAAAYYY too much crack)

- Denying consular access to the prisoners

is violating international laws. Make no mistake about it, what Iran has done ARE acts of war. That doesn't mean anyone wants a war with Iran but to characterize Iran's actions as anything else is sheer lunacy. In the infamous words of Robert DiNiro in 'Deer Hunter', "This is this... this isn't something else".


[edit on 30-3-2007 by jtma508]

CaptGizmo,

Please don't put a text in my quote that i didn't even say...

Maybe you did it by accident but in the quote you took off my last post you put a sentence at the end that i did not even say.

Thank you.

You have voted Britguy for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Britguy: Anytime you're running for Prime Minister, you have my vote.

And, when Americans experience war on their own land instead of -- as it has to date always been -- 'somewhere else, happening to someone else', then not only will there be far, far, fewer engineered wars for profit, but a massive lessening of enthusiasm amongst Americans generally, for war.

Originally posted by CaptGizmo


Oh, you mean the U.s is one of the worst such as North Korea, Sudan, Rowanda,etc. that have some of the worst human rights violation the world has ever seen.

Here's the thing, USA is just as bad as those if not worst but the difference is that the amount of budget put into keeping their actions secret is even greater then the budgets of the other countries you named that uses their budgets to do world crimes and not even keep it a secret because they don't even have close to the resources USA have to keep things secrets.

So when you think about it, USA do all these things and worst but they have so much money that they can afford to do even more bad things then other countries and to even keep it all a secret which means a endless budget that other countries that looks like the bad guys don't have and can't afford to keep things a secret to the public like USA does but even USA has been exposed to their crimes many times before.

If you think that the world governments have your best interests at hearts you are sadly mistaken my friend and remember that i am not your enemy, the shadow government is.

all you are to them is a working slave that contributes to a machine as a whole that they control and with out us individuals, they couldn't even achieve their secret agendas.

Remember to think for your self and not believe anything that comes out of CNN or the government...

For weeks (months probably, who can keep track) the media has been whipping up the probability, not possibility, of an imminent US invasion of Iran and the fact that Israel has been demanding that the US proceed without delay.

Here in these forums, threads have been devoted to same and the date of April 6 cited as the date such an invasion will commence.

It's been stated in other forums (and possibly here as well) that if the US does not proceed soon, then Israel has threatened it will take the initiative and invade Iran.

These forums are devoted in large part to 9/11 conspiracy theories which suggest/claim that the towers were destroyed by an Israeli/US cabal intent on war with Iraq, with that war planned several months prior to 9/11. It's been claimed that the destruction of the towers via 'terrorists in planes' was originally floated years ago, as a plan whereby the US could 'justify' an invasion/war on Cuba.

News and evidence of dead, raped, murdered and tortured Iraqi civilians have been repeatedly shown on tv, worldwide. It's no secret that US casualties are taken home through US back doors, to maintain the fiction that this war isn't costing the US population a thing, whilst at the same time decimating the people of Iraq.

Here in these forums, as elsewhere, conspiracy theories rage concerning the validity of the 'beheadings' supposedly carried out by 'terrorist', Iraqi, Al Quaeda etc. factions -- yet even casual observers noted the oddness of these alleged 'terrorist' beheaders. Most reached the conclusion that those wearing the balaclavas were Mossad or US military.

Then we had that ridiculous spate of 'Osama' videos that fooled no-one, with the possible exception of the Western goons who scripted, filmed and acted in them!

People grew more and more cynical about the garbage being peddled them by the whore media and Western politicians.

Yet in this thread, it's as if the majority were either not yet born during these theatrical Western government 'set-ups' --- or possibly they were isolated on mountain tops somewhere, out of reach of the media !

Western politicians are self-serving animals. Massive egos matched by massive insecurities. Although they pretend not to care what we think, they're nevertheless very aware that we still have the power to destroy them.

They're sensitive to the criticism they've received as result of their attack on Iraq and the subsequent loss of lives on both sides.

So, with their usual lack of respect for the average person's intelligence, they believe they've REALLY fooled us this time, by provoking Iran -- thus justifying the coalition's subsequent invasion.

And just to elevate the sheepies blood-lust and outrage, they're making sure we witness the 'humiliation' of a handful of UK military.

Oh, it's heart-breaking, isn't it? Those 'poor' Brits, having to sit there and eat and drink ! Oh, the inhumanity ! Sure, that justifies a war.

LAST time they were impatient to launch a war (which they'd planned years before in any case) ---- they murdered 3,000 Americans.

Now, those US/Israeli monsters didn't see anything wrong in getting rid of 3,000 Americans, just as they personally weren't (and still aren't) bothered about murdering and torturing tens of thousands of Iraqis. I mean, if it doesn't hurt the ghoul politicians and their puppet-masters, then who the hell cares what happens to anyone else, right?

But the sheepies got a bit upset, once it dawned on them that it was their own 'leaders' who'd murdered those 3,000 Americans on 9/11. And the sheepies are a bit indignant now they've worked out that those 3,000 Americans were murdered and burnt alive just so the Goon Squad could start sending Western troops to die in a war with a struggling nation that just happened to have a lot of oil.

So this time, it's just 15 Brits who're being used to launch a war that --- let's face it -- has been on the US/Israeli drawing board for a long time.

Now we have poncy Blair emoting like the actor he originally wanted to be. Well, he would have been a failure as an actor. Lucky for him he chose politics instead. But even as a corrupt politician, he's still a failure as an actor. Not that he's aware of that, as he does his best to play an effete version of Churchill. Or could it be that it's not Churchill he's attempting to emulate --- but Margaret Thatcher ?

Whatever the case -- he's unconvincing.

Just as this latest ploy of captured Brits being 'humiliated' by those wicked Iranians who're bringing food and blankets to them is a complete farce.

The Brits were chosen as 'provocateurs' --- as the 'innocent captives' who 'triggered the war with Iran'.

And the sheepies are expected to accept this laughably-obvious ploy?

What an insult to the sheepies collective intelligence !

So --- if you CAN'T manage to summon any outrage about yet ANOTHER war that will cost hundreds of thousands of lives, then surely you'll manage to be outraged by this latest insult to your intelligence.

Of course, this is yet another 'war over there, happening to someone else'. Not happening to YOU. So maybe it will be just another installment in the Israeli/US 'War Series' --- just something else to keep you entertained each evening as you slouch before your tv, before the Simpsons begins.

If so, remember that if you continue to support the Israeli/US War Series Show, sooner or later it WILL come to a street near you ! Then you'll find out if you really DO enjoy war as much as you think you do, lol.

Originally posted by Digital_Reality
It just shows the way that they are thinking over there about the situation.
Hell that whole country is one big mob!

Always has been always will be one ignorant mob led by one ignorant group of"holymen".IF the iranian leaders dont like the"thinking in london"now wain and see what happens if they harm their poor latest hostages.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by Xfile]

Thank you Dock6 for these words.

If anyone reads what you said and still doesn't see what is going on, then they are brain washed beyond repair in this life cycle.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by selfless
CaptGizmo,

Please don't put a text in my quote that i didn't even say...

Maybe you did it by accident but in the quote you took off my last post you put a sentence at the end that i did not even say.

Thank you.

sorry selfless i dont know what happened there...and it wont let me edit it ????

Originally posted by CaptGizmo

sorry selfless i dont know what happened there...and it wont let me edit it ????

No problem man