This poster is clearly not lying... Lets end the Disinfo!

I have had similar experiences to these:

(found at www.abovetopsecret.com...)

Originally posted by PHARAOH1133
Last night my life was threated, because of the threads I was posting.
Today I got a visit by two CIA agents, I told my wife to answer the door, and she told them that I was not here, they went away and left their card.

I must be uncovering certain things they do not want advertised.
this is starting to get a little hairy, i will now have to call upon my goon squad.

If anyone has any advice or comments please let me know, If for some reason you don't notice me here on the boards for a while in the up in coming day you will know that something has in fact happened to me.

God help us all!

Fixed spelling in title

[edit on 28/3/07 by masqua]

My last topic about this was tossed in the garbage bin while I was responding to some posts with some evidence (yeah, mysterious and 'spooky'), but basically I was saying that until I get the really convincing stuff in hand (some family members kept it after I ran off, hopefully), you can see that I've posted about this stuff already before this guy even mentioned it (search for my posts in John Titor related threads-- yup, the search is temporarily 'disabled' at the moment so we'll have to wait until they 'enable' it...).

I'll post more about my experiences some other time...

By examining the two posts below, we can see that it extremely suspicious that the member would be banned and the topic locked:

Originally posted by PHARAOH1133
Here's the thread post where it orignated from

Thread Link : www.abovetopsecret.com...

i have a scanner,printer,fax, it is just not hooked up properly, have to get some to hook it up asap so I can scan it, But this just happened a few mins ago, so I always give thought to thing I do before I do them, I just do not act without thinking first.

[edit on 28-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by PHARAOH1133
Most of it was done via U2U

When we see something like this, we investigate.

There are no threatening U2U's sent to this member... in fact, his in-box has several cordial messages.

A posting ban is being applied while we consider what to do with this apparent hoax.

Because the U2U's in the member's mailbox appeared cordial, that does not mean that the member did not perceive them to be threatening. The member was not even given an opportunity to explain his position... It is also possible that the U2U's mysteriously disappeared from the server records, I mean, don't forget the subject matter of the conversation -- from my experiences, these types of folks that chase people like that are capable of the extraordinary.

On top of that, he said "Most of it was done via U2U"... yeah, only 'most' of it... from my experiences, these folks use a number of methods to spook you crapless. They had me so scared, a ran off to Toronto (from America!) and slept on the streets for a year. Believe it or not, they even chased me across the border!

Let us get PHARAOH1133 unbanned and back on the boards with an apology from the moderators. He has clearly done nothing wrong. Lets not let the disinfo crew have their day.

I think Pharaoh should break out the "goon squad"!

I guess (hypothetically) if this really did happen, then (hypothetically) there could be some connection between ATS and the CIA (hypothetically).

Gotta go......someone's knocking at my door.

Peace

Hey Pharoah: I suppose it's no secret to anyone here that we live in times where speaking is dangerous. Be careful, but not silent.

For starters, what pharoah said about the u2u's was not that he received threatening u2u's. Rather, when he was asked what he posted that the cia was interested in, he said it was about a thread and some u2u's.

I might be wrong but I think he was claiming the u2u's contained information that interested the CIA.

That said, I think the aspect of this that deserves attention is not the so called threats from the CIA to a specific member but the idea that these boards are monitored by a gov't agent and the question raised is "are we at risk for posting our beliefs and information?"

Rather than discuss the individual's story, let's flesh out the overall possibility of this happening and megacurious, if you could give more specific details as to your situation, that might help.

Personally, if I was contacted by any gov't offices as a result of my posting here, I would probably stop posting here. Call me a coward if you must but I cannot see how anyone in their right mind would get a call from a gov't agency and continue raising their eyebrows over a website, even this one.

Certainly it's a believable story, far more believable than most stuff I read here.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Apparently DynCorp feels safe acting this way. This actually lead to a few firings but apparently they still get government contracts. There is actually
another story that gives more details, it's all rather sick.

[edit on 29-3-2007 by polanksi]

Originally posted by Crakeur
For starters, what pharoah said about the u2u's was not that he received threatening u2u's. Rather, when he was asked what he posted that the cia was interested in, he said it was about a thread and some u2u's.

I might be wrong but I think he was claiming the u2u's contained information that interested the CIA.

Even someone claiming that some u2u's contained information that would interest the 'CIA' does not mean that those private u2u's (which should in fact stay private, by all means...) are subject to a moderator's (SO's, to be specific) sole discretion as to whether their content was simply 'cordial' or not.

Originally posted by Crakeur

That said, I think the aspect of this that deserves attention is not the so called threats from the CIA to a specific member but the idea that these boards are monitored by a gov't agent and the question raised is "are we at risk for posting our beliefs and information?"

Yeah, of course. Thats why I'm working software for secure anonymous web surfing (like a web 3.0) with high bandwidth (the current stuff out is not practical or reliable enough for general usage). I have a B.S. in Computer Engineering. I wouldn't even let time travelers and aliens with psychics see what folks are up to.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Rather than discuss the individual's story, let's flesh out the overall possibility of this happening and megacurious, if you could give more specific details as to your situation, that might help.

Personally, if I was contacted by any gov't offices as a result of my posting here, I would probably stop posting here. Call me a coward if you must but I cannot see how anyone in their right mind would get a call from a gov't agency and continue raising their eyebrows over a website, even this one.

First off, this guy wasn't contacted, he was intimidated by these 'agency' folks.

As for more specific details as to my situation, the story is so long that only the abridged version will do here, as will follow shortly.

(Edited for incorrect information)

[edit on 29-3-2007 by MegaCurious]

megacurious, until we see the CIA business card, we don't even know if he was telling the truth about the whole thing. Remember, he was escorted home with a guarding group of 200 Homeland Security agents, according to another post of his so perhaps he's into telling tall tales. We don't know for sure but we do know that he claims to have a business card which has yet to be scanned and posted, making his claim very much less believable.

I look forward to hearing your story.

I dont have an opinion either way as to what actually happened, there is no way to really tell without photos, videos, missing person reports etc. But it is more than possible that people in general who post information in any form of media that the Gov finds damaging, or too close to something, might be paid a visit.
Isnt this precisely the situation that so many are warning as just around the corner but on a much larger scale


im not sure a scanned and posted business card is the be all end of all of proof in this situation. And ive got a printer scanner copier that isnt hooked up properly, i also cant find a cable for it, the software to install or the darn box it came in...that is potentially a reasonable point of contention

on one hand a business card could easily be made and presented as proof, on another hand do CIA agents carry around cards with their names and actual occupations? If he was given a card, or his wife given a card it would give little to no information about who was truly at his door.

[edit on 29-3-2007 by gluetrap]

anyone who had this happen to them would want everyone to see so that, in the event the cia comes back, there's a record of the event. There's now a name associated with it all.

anyone who was making this up would want to have a card to show people as a means of "proving" the event took place.

anyone who doesn't post the card and then, after claiming he was threatened, goes and posts another comment, along with videos, in the very thread that he claims got him into trouble, is screwing up his own story on too many levels.

let's not forget this guy, who claims the CIA came to threaten him, also claims that 200 Homeland Security agents escorted him back to his home. That's a big plattoon of agents protecting him and yet the CIA, who doesn't operate on american soil (so they claim), shows up at the home of a guy so damned important that 200 Homeland Security agents had to protect him, and threaten him and then leave a card?


let's look at it from a different angle.

Hi, I'm going to physically harm your husband, ruin your lives, financially and emotionally and I am going to make your lives a living hell.

Here's my card, in case your husband, who's life I'm going to ruin, wants to talk to me.


does that make any sense?

Originally posted by Crakeur
Remember, he was escorted home with a guarding group of 200 Homeland Security agents...

I just wanna know how he rates 200 followers.

Truth be told I'm kinda jealous.

Originally posted by Crakeur
megacurious, until we see the CIA business card, we don't even know if he was telling the truth about the whole thing. Remember, he was escorted home with a guarding group of 200 Homeland Security agents, according to another post of his so perhaps he's into telling tall tales. We don't know for sure but we do know that he claims to have a business card which has yet to be scanned and posted, making his claim very much less believable.

I look forward to hearing your story.

I covered this in another topic... but it was tossed in the garbage bin...

These same folks have left business cards with my mom and at a sister's home. One time I said something about these folks at mom's place, and then she immediately pulled out the business card and dialed them real quick. Within moments there was a commotion outside and they appeared at the window told her "they reopened the case, open the door!".

As far as being escorted home by 200 homeland security agents, I mean, these folks appear in large numbers pretty quick. One time, their numbers where so large one guy close to me exclaimed "man, they backed up traffic!".

These folks show ID cards that have neither their name or their picture on them, but that say things like "Defense Department" or "Homeland Security". However, you can tell that their ID cards are not official because they don't say "U.S. Department of Defense" or "U.S. Department of Homeland Security" or anything like that.

I wouldn't say he is telling tall tales, but rather that he has probably being driven nuts with folks claiming to be 'CIA' and 'Federal Investigators' or 'Homeland Security' causing him trouble in such large numbers.

Well...I am at the point where the over the shoulder check is starting to be a natural reflex.

Crakeur.... If I vanish, send out the St. Bernards. I am not kidding around. Springer has my name and location.

It is not the admin, but there are lots of trolls on this board. You have to really think things through as to what is brought up here.

We might see something like a shut down of information exchange, the problem with that is people won't stand for that type of controll. They will need a major security breach as a reason to enact this security measure. (calm down the people)!

Is that legislation now in place? Could one big blast somewhere in the US be enough to start these security measures?

Seems to me the botton line is a person makes a claim here, including a statement that there is something to back it up, a business type card. A digital picture of the card could be taken and uploaded. Workarounds are possible.

So often we hear, I have something to back me up BUT, (fill in some reason it will not be seen here).

has pharoah been back around?

and as far as proof of a card I dont think its nessessary but scientificly I guess it is..

I will say this, I was banned from cliff carnicoms site for saying some to the point truth.. threads where getting to real then bam, im banned..

but the real funny puncher is, I was not really banned, just my computer said I was banned.. I went to a friends, checking in on the site just to see whats up and, wow, im really not banned..

in fact anytime I was on my computer thinking I was surfing I really wasnt, now thats some skilled hacking.. who and why would someone do that to me..

the truth hurts I guess..