Who are the real terrorists....

Do you really expect me to baleive that.. they highjacked planes with boxcutter knifes, knew how to fly the planes, And on top of all that Crashed the plains into buildings at 500 MPH. Okay I might buy that... but what about the cell phone calls from the planes.. To bad you cant make calls from planes,also that new planes have autopilot software on them that you cant deprogram from the plane(you know just in case a pilot loses it) . So why limit ourselfs to thinking that the terrorists are who the government tells us they are. (and assuming they are telling the truth)They have started two wars for the safty of america and still we are in the color orange or red blue or purple which probibly means... somthing might happen somwhere. hahaha FEAR, they are the REAL Terror-ists (the essance of the word) thats how they control us... anyway I wanna get your input on the subject

[Edited on 27-12-2003 by kiddeRjD]

Originally posted by kiddeRjD
Do you really expect me to baleive that.. they highjacked planes with boxcutter knifes, knew how to fly the planes, And on top of all that Crashed the plains into buildings at 500 MPH. Okay I might buy that... but what about the cell phone calls from the planes.. To bad you cant make calls from planes,also that new planes have autopilot software on them that you cant deprogram from the plane(you know just in case a pilot loses it)

0: (meant to start with this one) I also dont believe that 4 guys could take on an entire plane full of pissed off and scared passengers with only a couple box cutters.

1: Those planes are not difficult to fly, anyone with a few hours in a Cessna 150 that can work the yolk and rudder pedals at the same time can easily "fly" one.

2: I agree that it would be VERY difficult for a novice pilot to direct a 757, or 767 into a building (relatively a small target) at 300 mph. Those aircraft won't (normally) hit 500 mph at such a low altitude due to the higher density of the air creating a whole lotta drag on the plane. Also, aircraft speed is measured in knots as opposed to miles per hour. You could use this conversion to find the numbers you would really be interested in: (kt) * 1.1507794 = (mph). If you were to look up the maximum speeds in the Type Certificate Data Sheet for those aircraft, you would find that they do not reach 500mph (I realize you were just throwing numbers out there, and were only trying to make a point with them).

3: Cell phones CAN be used on planes (how do you think the ones in the back of the headrests work?) , and WILL work under roughly 10,000 feet. The reason that they tell you not to use them is because cell phones use frequencies close to those that aircraft use for communication, and that their transponders use (the object that communicates with air traffic control computers). If someone with a cell phone uses it during the flight, there is a possibility that they could lose communication with the tower, not to mention the slight electromagnetic field caused by the use of the cell phone can and will throw off navigational instrumentation causing the aircraft to fly off course, even if the autopilot is set.

4: Every autopilot must be able to be disarmed. If you need proof, look it up in Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations, better known as the Federal Aviation Regulations, or FARs (I believe it is part 63 that you are interested in or possibly 29, I am not positive on this, as my book is at work). If the autopilot cannot be turned off, then what would happen if an airplane lost an engine (it died, not actually departed from the aircraft) and had to make an emergency landing? I believe that would be very silly to put in place an autopilot system that doesnt allow the pilot to fly...

[Edited on 27-12-2003 by Milk]

[Edited on 27-12-2003 by Milk]

Maybe I dont know all the facts.. and some that I know are false.. it still doesnt make scence. its just Conveniant (not sure if I spelled that right) that it took the spot light off alot of stuff thats all (fraudulant votes, Enron) Not to mention the fact that Sadam hussein and and osama disliked eachother, and the fact that Bandar Bush had more connections with al queda. You see what im getting at...

[Edited on 27-12-2003 by kiddeRjD]

Germany and Russia didn't like each other no further than they could throw each others foreign ministers, didn't prevent them from aligning themselves together to divide Poland didn't it? One of many, many historical examples....
Semantics, simple as that. Two opposing groups may not like each other of trust each other, but given a common enemy or purpose....my, my, how things do change and idealogical differences are set aside.........



regards
seekerof

The real terrorists are in the White house.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Germany and Russia didn't like each other no further than they could throw each others foreign ministers, didn't prevent them from aligning themselves together to divide Poland didn't it? One of many, many historical examples....
Semantics, simple as that. Two opposing groups may not like each other of trust each other, but given a common enemy or purpose....my, my, how things do change and idealogical differences are set aside.........



regards
seekerof

yea see thats not what im getting at. It doesn make scene for the two to be working with eachother. It feels more like CIA black ops. Who really benefits ...

Originally posted by Milk
0: (meant to start with this one) I also dont believe that 4 guys could take on an entire plane full of pissed off and scared passengers with only a couple box cutters.

2: I agree that it would be VERY difficult for a novice pilot to direct a 757, or 767 into a building (relatively a small target) at 300 mph.

0: The planes had very few people on them. A plane that hold over 150 people with like 60 on it. Way less than half full.

0: People base experiences off of what has happened in the past. This has never happened in the past. A hijacker usually makes the pilot land in a different country and has demands. The people did not know what was going to happen. So they did not fight back.

2: These pilots took training. They were not interested in landing. They were also informed that the planes were easier to control at higher speeds.

I do not doubt that our government had some part in this. Either setting up the attack or allowing it to happen. Either way, they got what they wanted, a war in the Middle East.

"The real terrorists are in the White house."

err... what the hell? are we living in the same world?

Originally posted by GeniusSage
err... what the hell? are we living in the same world?

I think its high time you come out of the clouds regarding your visitation to this message board. This is a conspiracy message board, and you will get very different opinions here. Tons and tons of people think this on this board as well regarding the events of 9/11. I do myself.

"I think its high time you come out of the clouds regarding your visitation to this message board. This is a conspiracy message board, and you will get very different opinions here. Tons and tons of people think this on this board as well regarding the events of 9/11. I do myself."

dont give me that. i know what this message board is and i know what its about. i know its all about opinion but what he said was damned ignorant.

Originally posted by GeniusSage
dont give me that. i know what this message board is and i know what its about. i know its all about opinion but what he said was damned ignorant.

Then you should say that rather than type like you are surprised every time such an opinion pops up.

Originally posted by GeniusSage
i dont give me that. i know what this message board is and i know what its about. i know its all about opinion but what he said was damned ignorant.

The only ignorance I see is coming from you GeniusSage. For its you coming who is coming to a conclusion without even researching the topic. How do I know you haven't researched the American Governments involvement in 9-11? Because if you did you wouldn't be dismissing that comment.

TYPICAL HYPOCRITE

Originally posted by Killuminati

Originally posted by GeniusSage
i dont give me that. i know what this message board is and i know what its about. i know its all about opinion but what he said was damned ignorant.

The only ignorance I see is coming from you GeniusSage. For its you coming who is coming to a conclusion without even researching the topic. How do I know you haven't researched the American Governments involvement in 9-11? Because if you did you wouldn't be dismissing that comment.

TYPICAL HYPOCRITE

I second that.

Originally posted by Milk

4: Every autopilot must be able to be disarmed. If you need proof, look it up in Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations, better known as the Federal Aviation Regulations, or FARs (I believe it is part 63 that you are interested in or possibly 29, I am not positive on this, as my book is at work). If the autopilot cannot be turned off, then what would happen if an airplane lost an engine (it died, not actually departed from the aircraft) and had to make an emergency landing? I believe that would be very silly to put in place an autopilot system that doesnt allow the pilot to fly...

From what I am led to believe, it wasn't the autopilots that were the problem. There is a little-known piece of equipment installed in commercial aircraft, known as Home Run , which can take control of said aircraft from the ground.

In the mid-seventies America faced a new and escalating crisis, with US commercial jets being hijacked for geopolitical purposes. Determined to gain the upper hand in this new form of aerial warfare, two American multinationals collaborated with the Defense Advanced Projects Agency (DARPA) on a project designed to facilitate the remote recovery of hijacked American aircraft. Brilliant both in concept and operation, �Home Run� [not its real code name] allowed specialist ground controllers to listen in to cockpit conversations on the target aircraft, then take absolute control of its computerized flight control system by remote means.

From that point onwards, regardless of the wishes of the hijackers or flight deck crew, the hijacked aircraft could be recovered and landed automatically at an airport of choice, with no more difficulty than flying a radio-controlled model plane.

The 9-11 attacks seem to be a perfect example of Problem-Reaction-Soultion or Hegelian Dialectic in action. Think back to what has happened since 9-11. Loss of freedoms, The passing of the Patriot Act, an attack on Afghanistan (Due to pressure within the US concerning the Taliban's human rights record, the US oil company Unocal were unable to build a pipeline through the country until the Taliban were removed). Plus the war against 'terror' and attack on Iraq to replace Saddam with a puppet leader controlled by the White House.




[Edited on 28-12-2003 by ThePook]

[Edited on 28-12-2003 by ThePook]

you tell the people their under threat and they'll listen to your every word... its the new cold war. keep the people in fear of attact! then you can attack the innocent under the justifcation that they could possibly maybe one day be a threat...

Originally posted by earthtone
The real terrorists are in the White house.

Speak the truth one day these people will know it, and be ashamed they where so stupid to fall for the ex CIA agent in a cave was behind 9/11.

The strange collapse of WTC 7
Was there really a steel-melting inferno inside the WTC?
The 1993 WTC bombing was ALLOWED to happen!
Another Anomaly in the Case Against Zacarias Moussaoui
100 million dollars vanished from the WTC before they collapsed.
THE "CONTROLLED" COLLAPSE OF WTC-7
Unanswered Questions about the attack on the WTC
Passengers on United Airlines Flight 93
Passengers on United Airlines Flight 175
911 - THE BASIC QUESTIONS
The FBI shutdown of Arab websites in the days leading up to 9/11
The Complete 9/11 Timeline
911 - THE BASIC QUESTIONS
The five dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11
[url=http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html]Bush at Booker Elementary - the video that proves that 9/11 was not a surprise

For more than TWO HUNDRED YEARS the Facist Muslims have been warring against the West and the Jewish/Christian philosophy, legal system and way of life.

Now YOU bunch of scholars are all convinced that IN SPITE of the facts being laid out before you in these contemporary times the past two hundred years prove nothing and it's all GWB who has pulled it all off in under TWO YEARS.

That is the single most LUDICROUS idea I've heard, read or even imagined in my life.

I understand this is a conspiracy board. I would've HOPED that you all could see the REAL conspiracy... It's ONLY TWO HUNDRED YEARS OLD, has been the catalyst of TWO WORLD WARS and has shed more blood than just about anything even the Catholic Church could come up with!

The TRUE conspiracy here is that Islam truly beleives it should RULE the world and save Humanity from the infidels (that would be anyone who is NOT a Muslim)...



Keep Coming back!

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Originally posted by Springer


Now YOU bunch of scholars are all convinced that IN SPITE of the facts being laid out before you in these contemporary times the past two hundred years prove nothing and it's all GWB who has pulled it all off in under TWO YEARS.

Omg no Springer he had help. No man could do this all alone. To many highly specialized skills needed.
But the fall guy was Tim Osman. Who works for Bush.

[Edited on 28-12-2003 by DiRtYDeViL]

That proves NOTHING. We also backed Saddam when it suited our interests to do so.

The link you put up (which was Fascinating reading thanks) simply PROVES, IMHO, that Osamma did the dirty deed in retaliation for how he was treated by the U.S. in the past.

This is an acute example of what my previous post says. These guys are NUTZ! They will hide behind the religion to carry out the worst deed in Human history.

The U.S. will ALWAYS cut a deal with the least of two evils if it serves our purposes. It's just the way it is. When we are finished with them or they have served that purpose they need to take their money and go relax.

They should NOT come over here and take out two buildings full of innocents!

To say that because of some tricky politics we had to play in order to fend off the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan and field test some new weapon systems 20 years ago implicates GWB or ANY U.S. administration in what happened on 9/11 is like saying the sky is blue because pigeons # on statuary in Manhatten.

Additionally, there is NOTHING in that report that states or even implies that Ossama has ever worked for GWB. This is all ancient history well before GWB was even Govenor.

PEACE...
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[Edited on 12-29-2003 by Springer]

Originally posted by Springer


The TRUE conspiracy here is that Islam truly beleives it should RULE the world and save Humanity from the infidels (that would be anyone who is NOT a Muslim)...

Keep Coming back!

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the true conspiracy is layered. it is much, much older than 200 yrs. the same device is employed over and over to stir up conflict. there is always another layer.
the templars and the esoteric occult undercurrents predating them are the root of all this clashing of peoples and belief systems.
before us was neandrethal(sp?). we wiped them out. now we, who are all the same species, are aimed at genocides and clashes of beliefs between genetic models of our species. how long do you think it takes for people to genetically alter to suit their enviroment? how much difference is there genetically between a tibetan and a kalahari bushman? or an eskimo?
it is turning out that many ancient symbols are actually representations of recent discoverys, like DNA and the cadeus wand, or the flower of life symbol and quantum wave theory and structural dynamics, or the pyramid(pi-ra-mid) and the pi ratio. or the golden mean of ancient greece and the fibonnaci sequence fractal by which all life unfolds.
genetic engineering by the ancients. knowledge of the geometry of spirit in the material world. space travel(zacharia sitchen, chariots of the gods, the monuments on mars).
the old boys are old indeed. they MAKE the religions. ALL of them. we are being led into enlightment(no pain, no gain) or slaughter(no breath, no pain).
the golden age of aquarius, the golden dawn, the end of the rainbow, the abatoir. happy new age.