Iranian State Tv Airs Video of Captured British Troops

yeah,

she has been forced. Islamic laws in Iran

I am surprised at the wording in the letter she has written. She says that they 'apparently' were in Iranian waters?? Why use the word apparently. This infers she did not think so but is now being told that she was.

The whole thing is obviously forced, no doubt in my mind.

Also she says she will have a present for her child from the Iranian people! lol i can not see little molly getting that some how.

Gareth.

Does anyone know what they are eating?

btw, I bet they are getting much better treatment than when they were in Iraq. iranians should pray uk servicemen in iraq don't get to see the vid, but there will be loads of brits trespassing into iran

JUST JOKKING

Cheers, keep it real

She wouldnt know if they were in Iranian waters or not. Its not her job to. I believe thats a whole different job for someone else that is back on the ship guiding them through GPS. So i think its safe to say they are being force fed what to say by the iranians. Hopefully all are unharmed and thats the way it stays.

read it all again and note the use of English.

its very poor. its something you would expect from someone with basic English.

plus, as a poster said, how would she know she was in Iranian waters? she spoke about the Iranian people too, if you was captured, you wouldn't be allowed to be around the public.

Apparently Germany (who currently holds the EU presidency) made a speech today declaring the European Union support for its British friend and fellow member.

President Bush is believed to be doing the same aswell.

Originally posted by infinite
Apparently Germany (who currently holds the EU presidency) made a speech today declaring the European Union support for its British friend and fellow member.

President Bush is believed to be doing the same aswell.

by kidnapping a british personale and then lieing about thelocations twice and then parading them on TV,
of course we will have the US and EU condeme this

on a downside by Iran
please corrrect me if im wronge

since we are a part of nato and iran has just declared war with all nato members since an attack (seen as an attack since they kidnapped nritish personale they arent at war with ) on british forces is seen as an attack on all nato members.

my question has Iran just opened the gates for repercussions from all nato members?

Originally posted by bodrul
my question has Iran just opened the gates for repercussions from all nato members?

bodrul, yes.

NATO has a pact that if one member is attacked, all are attacked.

Can any of our U.K. members explain to me why Blair is so upset that Iran showed footage of the captives? Not that I condone the arrest of the troops, or that I am taking Iran's side, I'm just curious as to why Blair's so angry that Iran aired footage of the captives and the verbage of Faye Turney saying they'd been trespassing, had been treated well, and with respect, and that she apologized.

Am I missing something?

I just don't understand how this constitutes a further offense. It's not like no one knew the Soldiers had been taken. It wasn't a secret, and sure there's a dispute over whether or not it happened in Iranian waters, but seriously, no one cares which waters it happened in. Iran knows its officers effed up, and is trying to figure out how to solve a huge diplomatic problem without sparking World War III. They probably just wanted the world to know they weren't torturing the Brits like they were Jack Bauer or something, and that they were being cooperative.

It seems like Blair is blowing this as much out of proportion as Iran did in mucking it up in the first place, but that's the impression I'm getting from the news on this issue the last few days. Does anyone else have a better explanation as to what's going on?

And, I mean seriously, does anyone really, REALLY care about who's waters those troops were in when they were captured? Enough so to go to WAR about it? Come on. It was nothing more than the swinging of...egos by two opposing officers, each of whom had no idea the global rammifications of their actions. Why can't this be settled in an afternoon, much less a week of wondering if we're going to go through another war in the Middle East?

Is Blair trying to set himself up to justify remaining PM with his own version of The Iraq Situation? Is he just purposely trying to inflate this thing into justification for war in Iraq, and hence, justification for more time as PM when he's been repeatedly asked to step down?

Good lord our respective world leaders really suck right now...

I'm gonna go have a drink for the troops.

Originally posted by tombangelta
there eating better than me I had a pot noodle for my dinner. i don't understand the purpose of showing her smoking lol.

seriously tho , i wonder what plans they have for the other troops.
They cant convict them of trespassing now there are letting the woman go.


very strange situation

Basic media warfar .. in which I give Iran credit..

They are shown eating because that protrayes Iran as being a nice country who feeds their POWS and would never ever torture. In reality that is most likely the most they have eaten, aside from bread and water.. The show her smoking because that is seen as a "luxury" .. they want to make it look like they are better off as POWS in Iran, then sailors in Britian.

Don't forget the last group captured faced multipul mock executions.. imagine how frightening that would be?

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Iran has agreed for British officials to meet the troops.

(again, the British government has said it will not admit to being in Iranian waters. UK has proved it was right and will not move on it)

Could be seeing the end game now, we have pushed it to the point that Iran cannot risk making this anymore serious.

Lets hope they don't capture our officials as well lol

Thelibre...

Its because it was designed to humiliate the British peoples..

They got that service member to say the complete opposite of Britain, whether true or not we don't know FOR CERTAIN but the latest GPS proof says IRAN entered IRAQI water..

So you have all this proof and then you FORCE the service member, in this case the woman, to say some random scripted response, meanwhile showing the OBVIOUSLY uncomfortable soldiers "eating" ..... common Thelibre I know you know whats going on.....

I am glad to see NATO has not forgotten its pact.. war with one is war with all.. same for the EU.. and you can bet the entire American military is ready for what ever our British friends need.

Originally posted by infinite
BREAKING NEWS!!!

Iran has agreed for British officials to meet the troops.

atleast its something hopefully to return them to their familes

Originally posted by infinite
(again, the British government has said it will not admit to being in Iranian waters. UK has proved it was right and will not move on it)

admint to what? Iran wants britain to lie for them and say what they want to hear?

Originally posted by infinite
Could be seeing the end game now, we have pushed it to the point that Iran cannot risk making this anymore serious.

they have come to the cross road
feck with us and take on every single nato member or return the personale and get back to talks.

very thin line they are walking on

Originally posted by infinite
Lets hope they don't capture our officials as well lol

if its blair he wont be missed

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Its because it was designed to humiliate the British peoples..

Was it really? I'm going to have to watch the actual video.
(found on NZ Herald...watching)

I don't see it. It didn't cast Britain or the soldiers in a particularly bad light. I agree it was absolutely scripted to make Iran come out smelling like roses and strawberries, even down to the "luxury cigarette" mentioned earlier.

I also don't want to give the impression that I think the soldiers have it "good" by any means in Iranian captivity. I'm just very puzzled by Blair's reactions. It seems as if he's as much to blame for dragging all of this out more than it needed to be. I'd hate to think he was using the soldiers plight for his own agendas, like our own Mr. Bush.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
They got that service member to say the complete opposite of Britain, whether true or not we don't know FOR CERTAIN but the latest GPS proof says IRAN entered IRAQI water..

Well, it's definitely what Blair's intelligence agency has reported through a news media that no longer is bound by Freedom of Speech thanks to Blair's policies. I will grant that.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
So you have all this proof and then you FORCE the service member, in this case the woman, to say some random scripted response, meanwhile showing the OBVIOUSLY uncomfortable soldiers "eating" ..... common Thelibre I know you know whats going on.....

No, like I said, I know full well the whole video is PR warfare, I just don't see why Blair's so upset about it and using it to drag this thing out further than it needs to be. We both know full well he could get them back in an hour if he really wanted.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I am glad to see NATO has not forgotten its pact.. war with one is war with all.. same for the EU.. and you can bet the entire American military is ready for what ever our British friends need.

Well certainly, allies are allies, and if Britain went to war, we'd certainly back her. I just don't know that a pissing contest between two Navies is worth starting a war over in the first place. Not when the ones we've already got aren't even sorted yet.

Judging from the positions given, the maps, and the error margin of only 2 nautical miles, and how FUBARed things get on the surface of the water, and that they were in rafts, not actual seaworthy crafts with massive instrument panels, I would think that any two sensible national leaders could say "oops, wow, that was awkward" and get it sorted out quickly and quietly. Things like this have happened countless times before, and it's never gotten this much attention unless someone wanted a war over it.

Originally posted by infinite
NATO has a pact that if one member is attacked, all are attacked.

However, the NATO agreement only applies to attacks which occur in either Europe or North America (i.e. on a NATO member's home soil). Therefore, NATO as an organisation could not get involved in this one. There's nothing to stop individual NATO members from helping the UK out if necessary, though.

Right then Libra, I suppose you cannot get any more "in the middle" then that eh?

I suppose we should just relax.. sit back.. open a cold one and wait for Iran to get bored.

But maybe the application of a threat was needed, maybe without the threat of violence Iran would have humiliated them further or caused violent harm to them.

Fence sitting goes.. really only so far.

Personally, I don't get the misunderstanding and confusion here.

1 I can care less what someone says on TV. I can make a video of myself
and feed you bull all day till you're blue in the face. Doesn't mean it's
the truth.

2 The prisoners look to be fine, albeit scared (this is normal duh), but
fine and being fed. What more can you ask for? Luxury Condos? Hugs?
They are not being lowlives like the US and Britain have been with prisoners, are they?

3 Even if they weren't in Iranian waters, who started all of this anyway? Oh

4 Karma is a Bitch!

5 I give credit to Iran for conducting themselves in a respectable manner and making it truly evident who the buffoons really are.

and...

6 Yep, I'm an American. Former Serviceman, and I love my Country. But I disagree with the crap we've been pulling. It's wrong, and we're playing with fire. You can only corner and kick a dog for so long until he bites, and when he does, it's the dog's fault, right?

The Iranians have now said that they will not return the hostages. The only way, they are saying, the issue can be resolved is if the British government admits the sailors were in Iranian waters.

Here is an article with more information:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

if thats the case then it wont be long before the sas start putting the flippers on.

Theres no way the UK will budge and lie on the ships position, and iran seem to be painting themself into a corner.

I would think the clock is very much ticking on this one.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Right then Libra, I suppose you cannot get any more "in the middle" then that eh?

I suppose we should just relax.. sit back.. open a cold one and wait for Iran to get bored.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. It just that I've already watched my own country go to war under false pretenses of a greater threat, and lose thousands of lives of our best and bravest before anyone stood up and started talking about making it right.

I'd really hate to watch Britain make the same mistake.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
But maybe the application of a threat was needed, maybe without the threat of violence Iran would have humiliated them further or caused violent harm to them.

Fence sitting goes.. really only so far.

Perhaps. But keep in mind that Arab nations typically talk, and are expected to talk, a very tough game when dealing with Western forces. If they don't, the leader is seen as weak, and the military decides to follow a more radical element. I think Iran is in an extremely difficult situation right now, both in foreign policy, domestically, and religiously, and has a spotlight centered upon it that is granting a bit of idiot-fame at the same time (the kinda fame that makes people do idiotic things).

They have an opportunity to change the entire course of the Middle East, and become a stabilizing force...or they can become the next North Korea... If it's all the same, I'd rather not see the latter, but needlessly waging war against Iran will make it happen. Mark my words.

It may very well be the carrot and not the stick that is required to make Iran return the troops, or to treat them better, or not treat them worse.

However, I disagree that not wanting to start WWIII over a dispute over who went into who's waters qualifies as "fence sitting". What I am advocating is a more responsible approach on both parties towards resolving this quickly and peacefully, so that work can begin on the REAL issue at the table, which is Iran's involvement in the Iraq Situation. If we're going to go to war with Iran, I'd rather it be about something more substantial than this ridiculous turn of events.

(EDIT ADD ) Well, just saw the latest news. Screw it. If Iran is going to be that way, maybe they do need the stick.


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