US launches huge show of force in Persian Gulf

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
-Then why were we in waters which are known to be contested.
-Why were the intelligence reports ignored that said Iran was going to do something like this in retaliation to the diplomats being taken.
-Why has Britain not come forward with its evidence if it is so sure it is correct

We are there on a UN mandate, protecting Iraqis and via the support of the Iraqi government.
We should not show evidence to prove that we are right, we SHOULD never let Iran humilate us.

Thats funny we took months before the first shot was fired in Iraq not to mention years of U.N. sanctions to get Sadam to comply with the U.N. and the Brits are talking about going in after what a week. give me a break.

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Thats funny we took months before the first shot was fired in Iraq not to mention years of U.N. sanctions to get Sadam to comply with the U.N. and the Brits are talking about going in after what a week. give me a break.

Capturing troops constitutes as an attack.

I don't think we should "give them a break"

Originally posted by infinite

I don't think we should "give them a break"

I'm not having a go at you but can you explain why you are so hell bent on military action.

if they decide to use military action to free the troops then its all out war.

What I'm worried about is America bombing there nuclear facilities what affect will this have on the civilian population.

Originally posted by infinite
Capturing troops constitutes as an attack.

Unless those troops were in Iranian territory without permission. Iran had every right to capture those troops. I and think that most here would agree that any forceful action by the UK at this point would certainly validate the suscpicion that this was nothing more than bait for Iran. What should happen is Iran should return the troops as a show of good faith and the US and the UK should stay out of their buisness. Or give up their nuclear technology and stop acting like the world took a big vote and decided that the US is in charge with full dictation regarding nuclear ambition.

who in authority has said Britain is going to take military action, I can't find any official news that states this, of couse we won't go in to try to free the hostages, America tried that and failed once before. We won't make the same mistakes

Efforts to secure the release of 15 Royal Navy personnel held by Iran will enter a "different phase" if diplomatic moves fail, Tony Blair has said.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The whole Iranian thing is a smoke screen.

The U.S and its allies are paving the way for the NWO, which has been their plan from the outset.
Think of a country that WONT bow to the NWO, and I'll bet you that country makes the "Axis of Evil" list.
Politics, oil, U.S dollars, Euro Dollars ....its all a smoke screen.

This is a simple case of "preparing the way"

America is the muscle. It is used as the spanking stick, should any country refuse to bow to their objectives.

Like Rome before it, and the countless other empires the world over, the U.S finds itself in the best position in its history for world domination. And its got back up too! The UK, Aus, Japan and many other countries who support the U.S' plans for dominance.

Someone has to be the head honcho - and the U.S aint gonna let China, Russia, the Middle East or the European Union take that away.

America has plans - GRAND plans, and anyone who gets in the way will be dealt with.
Sanctions, covert operations or flat out conflict.

The politics, the reasons why and the media is all but a smoke screen.

Originally posted by el fuego

Iran is selling off USD held in the reserves, which is to settle Oil and Fuel contracts with Buyers. Iran is preparing to move to Euros to settle their fuel contracts, as is Russia and China, which represents the largest fuel trading block in the world.
If this moves ahead, the Shift to Euros to settle international contracts will hit the US hard, but it wont be fatal. It will pull the carpet out from the Bush family and their friends empire. This will shift real economic power to Russia, Europe and Asia.

This war is about petro dollars, not any other stated reason.

Seems China already has agreed to start paying them in Euros..

China shifts to euros for Iran
By Chen Aizhu

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's state-run Zhuhai Zhenrong Corp, the biggest buyer of Iranian crude worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros late last year as Tehran moves to diversify its foreign reserves away from U.S. dollars.

business.scotsman.com...

.. which is worrying, because that is what Iraq did before we went marching in there..

Iraq nets handsome profit by dumping dollar for euro

Faisal Islam, economics correspondent
Sunday February 16, 2003

A bizarre political statement by Saddam Hussein has earned Iraq a windfall of hundreds of million of euros. In October 2000 Iraq insisted on dumping the US dollar - 'the currency of the enemy' - for the more multilateral euro...

...Almost all of Iraq's oil exports under the United Nations oil-for-food programme have been paid in euros since 2001. Around 26 billion euros (£17.4bn) has been paid for 3.3 billion barrels of oil into an escrow account in New York.

observer.guardian.co.uk...

I suspected at the time we went into Iraq that this had something to do with it all, now that suspicion grows deeper.

Has it occurred to anyone that the "entering into a different phase" means we are all headed into a normalized/militarized state with Iran and other Middle East oil-producing states in the region?

If this is the case, then rhetoric is the previous phase, which both Blair and Bush have participated in with Tehran for a very long time now.

I have read many posts on this thread that prophesy the rattling of swords, but few have outlined legitimate, end-game scenarios should Tomahawks really start flying from those warships into downtown Tehran.

Iran is not even close to what Iraq was when we went in to topple Saddam and secure the square on the game grid.

Iran is a regional power worthy of great circumspect, as much analysis as we can afford before going in like John Wayne for whatever powerfully justified reason.

I am NOT in favor of sitting idly by as a rule of thumb, but the case of Iran and the case of its leader require Tony Blair and George Bush to seriously consider what they want, how they're gonna get it, and what the aftermath is gonna be before it all goes down.

If in fact we were willing to impose a quick and hard extraction, we would not necessarily be hearing news of two (count them 2) battle groups in that relatively small body of water. We might, in fact, be hearing more about crumbling VA hospitals, Attorneys General and their inadequacies, etc., etc.

Just a take on things...resume your petty sword-rattling and peace-mongering.

The Newtron

Originally posted by xpert11
The main problem is that even if coalition air power cripples the Iranian military the current regime will still be in power.
Should the UN go down the weapons inspection path of the 1990s after (if) any military action has been take against Iran and the sailors have been freed ?

But we will have successfully crippled Irans economy. Also the US has the weapon to deal with Irans hardened under ground nuclear facilitys as well. Its not a nuke.. But probably as threatening as one. Its known as the MOP (Massive Ordinance penetrator) its a 30,000lb bunker busting super bomb that can be deployed on the B2A Spirit.
www.globalsecurity.org...


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How about a show of tech. force?

I say knock out their grid...ElectroPulseMagnetic Bombs.

Then, just for kicks, drop butt loads of crickets, toads and other biblically raining animals on their heads.

That would be awesome....Just like senior year...remember?

This will not happen. There will be another conflict else where. That will warrant off the intrusion of the U.S. Battleships. Or will be Iranian lead operations that will lead the U.S. to go to war with IRAN and then the rest of the world will look at the U.S. like we are WAR MONGERING. Only there is alot less for the U.S. to gain by going to war with the IRANIANS. So we will make this a Fast one. Unlike the war on terrorism that comes from money being produced to fund it and the U.S. thought if they cut off natural Resources that eventually they will BLEED THEM out of money. And they have showed that this has worked. You don't see any terrorism in any other country that usually has huge Threats DAILY. I wonderr if the insurgents have learned their lesson. Most likely not because that is what they were bread to do is Wage war on people. Has been happneing for ages and will not change.

Originally posted by xpert11
My guess is that Iran will free the sailors just in time to avoid military action. If Iran miscalculates they could well face military action that would have my full support. At the very least I would like to coalition air power cripple the Iranian military and destroy the sites associated with there nuclear program.

Originally posted by newtron25
How about a show of tech. force?

I say knock out their grid...ElectroPulseMagnetic Bombs.

EMP bomb is what wiped out Iraqs communications with their commanders on the ground. Which is one reason why we destroyed their conventional military relatively quickly.

I wish that the West would come together and deal with the consequences of pissing off a few Muslims to show that we aren't going to dick around with this childish crap. The Brits shouldn't have pussyfooted around and simply did like Reagan would have done (light the Iranian vessel up) the second it came within a short distance of their sailors. If the Iranians had any stomach, they'd simply decapitate the sailors and get the fighting war started already. But neither side will. Everyone has become a bunch of pansies.
If I were Iran, I'd be kissing some serious Western buttocks about now. Instead, all they want to do is moan about the way a WESTERN movie ("300") portrays Muslims. How about they find something REAL to moan about!? How about we GIVE them something to moan about!?
I'm tired of what everything has become. This world is becoming a bunghole really quick. A lot of the problem is PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO PRINCIPLES to stand on. If they did, this whole West/Mid-East thing would have solved itself already!

Rant is over. Have a nice day

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[edit on 27-3-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by infinite
I think cause we didn't want to spark a war...that might be the only reason why no shots were fired or why no one used force to prevent them from being captured.

Well as much I would want that to be true, that does not sound like an action taken by marines, usually trained to kill and not to think about surrender...



[edit on 27/3/07 by Souljah]

I understand your point Souljah, but Marines are trained to take "orders" first, not to just kill. They would not fired until given clearance.

how convenient that the BBC interviewed one of the troops the week before...


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[edit on 27-3-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by tombangelta
how convenient that the BBC interviewed one of the troops the week before...


news.bbc.co.uk...

Are you saying the BBC is somehow working with Iran to pick targets?!!?




*laughs*

[edit on 27-3-2007 by infinite]

lol no.

i just said it was convenient.