what does islamonazi/islamofacist mean?

rding (sorry for using you as an example) and other members seem to always use the term islamonazi and islomofasict and other words in this section of the forum alot.

what do they mean? I know they are just words stuck together without actual meaning since it’s not even in the English vocabulary

so whats up with this new hilerious FAD?


mod note i put this topic here since the words are always used here

[edit on 26-3-2007 by bodrul]

What it means to me is that the user of such words has no credibility, is a racist ignorant boob and you should ignore anything they have to say.
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I think Islamofacist is just a propaganda word.

Just like the other side used words about bashing America with a blind agenda. Dumb Americans, Video game killing Americans, Imperialist Etc. Etc.

And it seems the people on both those sides really never can see one topic at least in the middle or consider there dogma is wrong.

I bet I am wrong on some things, that I feel logically are correct. But I try not to up the level of my side with the some of the over the top meaness some like to use.

Sure I can be an ass, when some change a story or leave out parts of a story to push thier cause. Or use most questionable links, and use that as the god spoken truth. Or when a video is posted, and make a complete judgement, even if you were not there for the whole time, to see everything, or some nice production editing work was done to it.

I guess I am an anti-Islamofacist-America is satan-dogma blinded -ist person. So I am a jerk too.

Originally posted by Gools
What it means to me is that the user of such words has no credibility, is a racist ignorant boob and you should ignore anything they have to say.

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you took the words from my mouth...

The word is recognized by the New Oxford American Dictionary as;

"a controversial term equating some modern Islamic movements with the European fascist movements of the early twentieth century".

We all know that Fascism comes out of Europe - which is mostly Catholic.

Islamofascism is nothing but an empty propaganda term.

And "We" are at "War" - but last time I checked it was "War on Terror", not "War on Islam"; well perhaps some people just want to put those two together.

But the problem is that Islam has almost no strings to European fascist movements of the early 20th century, neofascist movements, or totalitarianism in the shape of fascist Italy or nazi Germany.

THE BIG LIE ABOUT `ISLAMIC FASCISM’

"There is nothing in any part of the Muslim World that resembles the corporate fascist states of western history. In fact, clan and tribal-based traditional Islamic society, with its fragmented power structures, local loyalties, and consensus decision-making, is about as far as possible from western industrial state fascism. The Muslim World is replete with brutal dictatorships, feudal monarchies, and corrupt military-run states, but none of these regimes, however deplorable, fits the standard definition of fascism. Most, in fact, are America’s allies."

Actually if I remember correctly Bush firstly used this word - probably suggest by mister Rove:

Fascists? Look who's talking

The aggressive new campaign by the administration of President George W Bush to depict US foes in the Middle East as "fascists" and its domestic critics as "appeasers" owes a great deal to steadily intensifying efforts by the right-wing press over the past several months to draw the same comparison.

All of those outlets, as well as two other right-wing US magazines - the National Review and The American Spectator - far outpaced their commercial rivals in the frequency of their use of keywords and names such as "appeasement", "fascism" and "Hitler", particularly with respect to Iran and its controversial president, Mahmud Ahmadinejad.

For example, Nexis cited 56 uses of "Islamofascist" or "Islamofascism" in separate programs or segments aired by Fox News, compared with 24 by CNN, over the past year. Even more striking, the same terms were used in 115 different articles or columns in the Washington Times, compared with only eight in the Washington Post over the same period, according to a breakdown by Nexis.

Yep - neo-con propaganda machine at it's Best!

Certain new words for a new war.

And what better way to do it, then to bring out some "old" memories of WWII, when fighting fascism was a good thing - and to equal that with, well just anything Islamic. Suddenly Mahmud is Hitler and Islam represents Fascism. But then again, anything can be called fascism these days.

Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt

In spite of some fuzziness regarding the difference between various historical forms of fascism, I think it is possible to outline a list of features that are typical of what I would like to call Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism. These features cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it.

Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances — every day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt's words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: "If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in our land."

Then again, I can call America a Fascist Nation - I wonder if mister Roosevelt would agree with me.

Remember words of another American president?

Dwight D. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address to the Nation on January 17, 1961

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defence with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.

[edit on 26/3/07 by Souljah]

An excellent question, deserves an excellent answer (hopefully more than one).

"Islamonazi" in my mind is misguided in today's application... I don't think that anyone rational really believes that there is any crossover between an current (neo-Nazi) fascist socialists and the Islamic faith. It's a poor descriptor applied for shock value, and deserves the same derision that any violation of Godwin's Law would.

That being said, there is some historical correlation as discussed in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which was authored by one of ATS's most infamous members.

"Islamofascist" has a little more bearing in today's worldview. There exists numerous "Islamic States" which I think no one would argue, and within this group of Islamic States there are several forms of Government. You have monarchies in countries like Saudi Arabia, and Oman; a constitutional emirate like Kuwait, various permutations of republics like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey; leading to my favorite, a Jamahiriya, which is the "official" government of Libya (psst... they're a dictatorship ). The problem is that the Western world views many of theses governments as dictatorial due to their theocratic oversight. It becomes difficult to ascribe to a representative process when any and all decisions are controlled by a religious caste's oversight. Since the religion is Islam, and the control is often heavy handed (interpreted as fascist), the natural buzz word would be "Islamofascist." That being said, the same concept could be applied in past European culture were there is no doubt that a "Cathlofascist" shroud kept an iron grip on personal life, liberty, and freedoms there for centuries.

I hope that enlightened more than obscured.

For reference:

en.wikipedia.org...

Islam did in fact have a nazi connection.Mohammed Amin al-Husseini joined with Hitler this fact has been the subject of books.Al Husseini broadcast on Radio Berlin many times.It seems clear that many havent changed,now it is their war on children.

islamofascism:

a statement that implies a fictional cohesion between terrorist groups