UK troops captured by Iran

Originally posted by infinite

Radical Countries should understand that you are with us or against us.

Pitiful . . . isn't it, one day we all be robots to do with as will. . .perhaps our side is the radical, imperialist and with the corrupted regimes . . .

Or perhaps is just the way that is always going to be.

I am truly done.

Originally posted by shaolin_dragon
Great, now iranian mobs are calling for the hanging of the 15 sailors. i seriously doubt they would do this, for fear of major retributions.

Mob Calls For Execution

Doesn't really look like a "mob" per. se.... could easily be staged or just a bunch of a holes.

Originally posted by malganis
Where is this from?

From a sea king overflying them.

I thought the Iranians confiscated all of the sailors GPS equipment?

Yes and I wonder why....

and wouldn't it be quite easy to forge something like this anyway?

Forge a helicopter flying over the ship the crew boarded with those exact GPS coardiantes and at that EXACT time? Explain to me how this would be done?

Originally posted by marg6043
I refused to be drawn into it, everything so far is nothing but propaganda, nobody wants to listen to the enemy side because they are the enemy .

No I refuse to believe them because they LIED , do you not understand that they LIED...thats right the same thing you've accused our intelligence services of doing. I mean come on, who writes in a letter to thier daughter : I am bringing you a present from the iranian people. And what british sailor would say: I have written a letter of apology to the iranian people for going into thier waters.

Why only her? Why not the other sailors and marines? Why not drag a father out and have him cry his guts out?
Because they know what will get our attention = a woman.
Sorry ladies but nothing angers (most) men than a woman being treated wrongly, more so a mother.

still waiting for the UN statement...

it should be coming soon.



news.sky.com...

UK could increase it diplomatic freeze by moving into trade and even asking the other 26 members of the EU to carry out an embargo.

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Sky News has just released footage shown of the actual arrest of the troops. You can see one of the boats that surrounded the brits, it had a large mounted machine gun on the front of it. Apparently there were 6 of these boats.

In response to all those who questioned the marines putting up a fight, i think we can safely say that we'd be looking at 15 dead brits right now if they had have done. Our troops are brave enough to fight whilst greatly outnumbered on occasions, but on this occasion i'm glad they were brave AND sensible.

I am slightly puzzled by the Lynx heli from HMS Cornwall in the back of the Iranian arrest footage though. Could the Lynx, which i understand was acting as topcover, not have seen these Iranian boats coming and warned our troops? Thats quite a vantage point you have from that height.

CX.

Originally posted by CX
I am slightly puzzled by the Lynx heli from HMS Cornwall in the back of the Iranian arrest footage though. Could the Lynx, which i understand was acting as topcover, not have seen these Iranian boats coming and warned our troops? Thats quite a vantage point you have from that height.

CX.

I believe the helo was back on the Cornwall for 90 minutes and only went back out when communication was lost with the 15 on the merchant vessel.

Originally posted by devilwasp
Forge a helicopter flying over the ship the crew boarded with those exact GPS coardiantes and at that EXACT time? Explain to me how this would be done?

No but isn't there some way that they could have just changed the details of the GPS report to fit in with their story? It can't be that hard.

I'm just trying to look for possibilities here instead of automatically brushing everything off unless it fits in with the British story.

I still don't understand why Iran would sail into Iraqi waters and just kidnap some of our troops, knowing what the consequences would be, it just doesn't add up. The main reason that has been suggested is just to show that they can. But is that really worth going to war for?

British PM calls for the �Unconditional release of all our people�

Breaking news on Sky, a second letter has been released by the Iranians, allegedly a letter from the female Britsh sailor Faye Turney to the Representative for the House of Commons.

Source: Second letter released

In the letter, which appears to have been written and signed by the British sailor, it asks why Britain is still in Iraq?

The letter goes on about her good treatment and how they ventured into Iranian waters. She asks why the british government has let this happened again and why it has'nt been questioned about it?

Hmmm, the sort of letter one of our troops would write? Maybe some have these questions, but i can't see them writing one to the House of Commons of thier own free will whilst under detention in Iran.

When you get to see the full letter, it just does'nt read right.

Not sure where else they can go from here, Iran wants the UK to admit they were in the wrong, as if thats going to happen.

CX.

Originally posted by CX
Not sure where else they can go from here, Iran wants the UK to admit they were in the wrong, as if thats going to happen.

Well if we don't admit we were in the wrong then Iran won't let them go. But if we do admit we were in the wrong they could be tried for espionage.

Bit of a no-win situation lol

bring back Maggie thatcher.

iran kidnaps 15 of our troops and degrades them on tv,why not we raise there country to the ground im sure 100% the usa will help us, as there inching for a fight.

let them go you know this is a nuke problem i.e u dont have them yet we do and so do the yanks,and the more this escalates the less our countries will think that irans a team player,more a looser and time to be punished,or flattened.

if iran decides that our troops have to face a harsh punishment there country will only get bigger as we deport all known iranians from the uk and usa.

war never solved anything they said.

well nazisim/slavery/communisum were kinda stopped

if iran decides that our troops have to face a harsh punishment there country will only get bigger as we deport all known iranians from the uk and usa.

I don't think we could deport all known Iranians from the UK and USA, for one it would be a very tough job and two there would be outrage from the Iranians who would make the job very hard. They would call the government racist and cause more trouble than there would be if we didn't deport them.

It is a bit worrying though to think what problems Iranian terrorism could cause for us if we went to war with Iran.

iran kidnaps 15 of our troops and degrades them on tv,why not we raise there country to the ground im sure 100% the usa will help us, as there inching for a fight.

Razing someone's country to the ground is a bit over the top for this situation, especially as that would kill our 15 troops and show that we didn't even care about them anyway. It's better to try and resolve this without military action if we can, we've already ruined enough of the Middle-East as it is.

war never solved anything they said.

well nazisim/slavery/communisum were kinda stopped

What's that got to do with anything? Most of them were rising problems which were solved by taking down the country in question.

Here we have pretty much a hostage situation. You don't solve a hostage situation by destroying the place where the hostages are held.

And try telling China that war stops communism, they're doing just fine and they'd laugh off war stopping it.

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It is kind of sad to see the sheer amount of disgusting rhetoric here. Prisoners of the USA in Iraq were forced to pile on top of each other naked, wear masks, while angry dogs were held inches from their faces and the troops doing it were having a jolly good time doing it as well.

The Iranian goernment, out of consideration for the British tresspassers, knowing they were probably ordered into territorial waters, simply treated them with as much respect and kindness as they could. I really would not be surprised if they were shown aroudn to see how their own government lies about the Iranian their culture lives.

And yet, all anyone can think about is destroying a whole coumtry, deporting their citizens from our borders, who have absoultley nothing to do with the situation, and calls for war, not that any of you who call for it would actually sign-up for the battles.

I am saddened by how many people here seem to have an underlying belief that the Persians are rabid dogs ready to eat our chilren and cover our women with costumes. I mean I find it utterly hateful that many here actually expected these soldiers to be subjected to torture, as if they would stoop as low as the Western nations have in recent years.

I definetly see no reason for us to war with Iran, but I will still be signing-up in any case if it happens.

Originally posted by DYepes
It is kind of sad to see the sheer amount of disgusting rhetoric here. Prisoners of the USA in Iraq were forced to pile on top of each other naked, wear masks, while angry dogs were held inches from their faces and the troops doing it were having a jolly good time doing it as well.

Exactly, DYepes, funny how short memories, some have when the war path is all they can see in front of their eyes. . .

It makes you wonder who are the real civilized nations and which ones fall short.

If i were callings the shots id threaten Iran with military action if all soldiers were not handed over within 3 days, people wanna start growing a back bone

The reality is you should all be calling for the discipline of the person who ordered the Marines into territorial waters. For all the Iranians knew these soldiers could have been attempting to sneak in for terrorist attacks, mining the waters, on a mission to kidnap etc etc.

As a security force charged with protecting the borders of their nation, it appears the Revolutinary Gaurd, or whatever they are called were just doing their jobs. Especially considering that the soldiers in question belong to one of the military powers who has supported and participated in the invasion and occupation of two nations that share the largest border on both sides of Iran, and where the only sea border is also saturated with the same forces conducting war games based on the invasion of that country.

I have no doubt these soldiers were ordered into those waters in an attempt to instigate war. Look at how mister Blair is trying to act all big and tough, further beating the nest of bees with a stick. If he had not the US behind his back, he would be all smiles and apologies right now.

you people talk about growing a backbone, well it takes a real man/woman to say "I am sorry" and try to rebuild a friendship. fighting is the easiest way to deal with anything, and is for people who are too scared and/or ignorant to seek a peaceful dialogue.

Originally posted by DYepes
The reality is you should all be calling for the discipline of the person who ordered the Marines into territorial waters. For all the Iranians knew these soldiers could have been attempting to sneak in for terrorist attacks, mining the waters, on a mission to kidnap etc etc.

As a security force charged with protecting the borders of their nation, it appears the Revolutinary Gaurd, or whatever they are called were just doing their jobs. Especially considering that the soldiers in question belong to one of the military powers who has supported and participated in the invasion and occupation of two nations that share the largest border on both sides of Iran, and where the only sea border is also saturated with the same forces conducting war games based on the invasion of that country.

I have no doubt these soldiers were ordered into those waters in an attempt to instigate war. Look at how mister Blair is trying to act all big and tough, further beating the nest of bees with a stick. If he had not the US behind his back, he would be all smiles and apologies right now.

you people talk about growing a backbone, well it takes a real man/woman to say "I am sorry" and try to rebuild a friendship. fighting is the easiest way to deal with anything, and is for people who are too scared and/or ignorant to seek a peaceful dialogue.

Blair has been quite restrained during this. I applaud the UK for it's restraint in this situation. Had this been Americans or Israelis we would be at war by now.

I seriously doubt America or Israel would go to war over something like this; I've run it thru my head a million times, a war with Iran just isn't winnable in any real sense of the word. America and Israel know this too, if they didn't they would have gone to war with Iran already.

Restrained? How hard is it to call the conselate as soon as it happened and say "hey look, sorry about what happened, could we work something out under the table so this doesnt become public issue number one?"

However, as has already been said, it is not the intention to be respectful in this matter, but to instigate, intimidate, and demonize the people that were securing their borders?