Random Citizenship Checkpoints

esdad. are you sure you're not a propaganda bot?

chip me? why worry?

more like, let us chip you, why worry? we are as good as god.

OK.

1. I would prefer not to be called stupid from an ignorant little school boy who has his panties all in a bunch because someone had another point of view and didnt follow his incredibly biased line of thought.

2. I would rather of an educated conversation other then being flamed by someone apparently very upset. I would have to guess you apparently had a problem with a police officer at a check point...


Back to the thread.

You failed to show me in the constitution that says:

"And all Americans will be protected against the government while in their station wagons on government funded interstate highways in areas highly prone to illegal activity."

Yes. Something like that. Please show me.

The closest thing would be illegal search and seizure. Except....... no one was "searched" .. just asked if they had ID? ......

Are DUI check points illegal?

How has this "affected your rights" .....

Your rights are rather limited.. you know that right? America is not "do as you wish and feel" ..

you have the right to speak. But your responcible for what you say.

You have the right to free press.. so long as it isnt lible.

You have the right to bear arms. Unless you use it agianst someone..

You have the right to free religion .. as long as you do not force it on others.. or use it as a means of violence..

You have the right against search and seizure.. untill you do something illegal.. or even suspicion of..

You have basic rights. basic. basic. basic. This is not anarchy. You are always subserviant to the government, no matter how "free" you think you are.. even in the days of the founding fathers.. it was the same.

But im just "stupid" ..

You don't come off as a very nice person you know? Rather rude actually.

You are always subserviant to the government, no matter how "free" you think you are..

Being an American and a Patriot, it is statements like yours, that make the hair on my neck stand straight up.

Whether you think I'm rude or not, I'd lay down my life to ensure all of us, including you, remain free from "SUBSERVIENCE" to the Government. I have taken an oath to that effect when I served honorably in the US Army.

Subservience to the State is not Freedom, it's Tyranny.

I've shown you the proof that checkpoints violate the Constitution. I can only open the door. You have to walk thru it.

"I have sworn . . . eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" (Thomas Jefferson).

I prefer law and order over "il do what I want" mentallity any day.

It makes for a safer and better place to live.

By the way.. this kinda thing is not new either.. rather old news really.. we have not turned into a dictatorship yet?

If you think WE are slipping into a toltalitarian government.... I think you need to travel outside of America more often friend.

By the way.. I am all for personal rights.. I have been very vocal in my feelings towards the Bush administrations blatant attacks on our rights.. such as privacy..

I just don't see this as being a problem.

do you still maintain that Citizens are subservient to the Government?

I really can't get over that statement coming from an American.

It's almost as though you've never read American History.

Good thread, discussion.

You have voted Smack for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Checkpoints reek of fascism to me too.

Originally posted by Smack
do you still maintain that Citizens are subservient to the Government?

I really can't get over that statement coming from an American.

It's almost as though you've never read American History.

You are correct, I used the wrong terminology. I appologize. I meaning, is that it is not your "right" to refuse a check point.. its not illegal, and therefore you must submitt to them.

Unless you vote in a lawmaker who makes it illegal, or bring it to the supreme court, the police and border patrol have any right to stop you for what ever reason.

it is not your "right" to refuse a check point.. its not illegal, and therefore you must submitt to them.

I provided you with a link to one case out of several that the Supreme Court decided (in 2000 i believe) that says checkpoints are unconstitutional. I don't know what other proof you require.
Now, as far as resisting an officer at one of these illegal checkpoints, that is entirely up to the individual, however, there would be grounds for a civil suit.

the police and border patrol have any right to stop you for what ever reason.

There is a thing in this country called 'Probable Cause, which is derived from the 4th Amendment. Police do not have the right to stop you for any reason.

I'm happy to know that your statement before was a mistake. I apologize for any inference that you were stupid. I do still feel like you may be somewhat misinformed about this particular subject.
We have to stick together on defending these rights for every American. We cannot give up an inch on our Liberties. There have always been those in Government that would chip away at them, to serve their purpose.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. Like fire, it is a troublesome servant and a fearful master." - George Washington

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DEB DAVIS LIKES to commute to work by public bus. She uses the time to read, crochet or pay bills. It's her quiet time. What with the high price of gas, she saves money, too: a week's worth of gas money gets her a month's worth of bus rides.



An aerial view of the Denver Federal Center.
The bus she rides crosses the property of the Denver Federal Center, a collection of government offices such as the Veterans Administration, the U.S. Geological Survey, and part of the National Archives. The Denver Federal Center is not a high security area: it's not Area 51 or NORAD.

On her first day commuting to work by bus, the bus stopped at the gates of the Denver Federal Center. A security guard got on and demanded that all of the passengers on this public bus produce ID. She was surprised by the demand of the man in uniform, but she complied: it would have meant a walk of several miles if she hadn't. Her ID was not taken and compared to any "no-ride" list. The guard barely glanced at it.

When she got home, what had happened on the bus began to bother her. 'This is not a police state or communist Russia', she thought. From her 8th grade Civics class she knew there is no law requiring her, as an American citizen, to carry ID or any papers, much less show them to anyone on a public bus.

She decided she would no longer show her ID on the bus.

The Compliance Test
On Monday, September 26th 2005, Deb Davis headed off to work on the route 100 bus. When the bus got to the gates of the Denver Federal Center, a guard got on and asked her if she had an ID. She answered in the affirmative. He asked if he could see it. She said no.



Visitors Welcome (to be arrested). The entrance to the Denver Federal Center.
When the guard asked why she wouldn't show her ID, Deb told him that she didn't have to do so. The guard then ordered her off the bus. Deb refused, stating she was riding a public bus and just trying to get to work.

The guard then went to call his supervisor, and returned shortly with a federal policeman. The federal cop then demanded her ID. Deb politely explained once again that she would not show her ID, and she was simply commuting to work. He left, returning shortly thereafter with a second policeman in tow.

The Second Compliance Test
This second cop asked the same question and got the same answer: no showing of ID, no getting off the bus.

The cop was also annoyed with the fact that she was on the phone with a friend and didn't feel like hanging up, even when he 'ordered' her to do so.

The second cop said everyone had to show ID any time they were asked by the police, adding that if she were in a Wal-Mart and was asked by the police for ID, that she would have to show it there, too.

She explained that she didn't have to show him or any other policeman my ID on a public bus or in a Wal-Mart. She told him she was simply trying to go to work.

The Arrest
Suddenly, the second policeman shouted "Grab her!" and he grabbed the cell phone from her and threw it to the back of the bus. With each of the policemen wrenching one of her arms behind her back, she was jerked out of her seat, the contents of her purse and book bag flying everywhere. The cops shoved her out of the bus, handcuffed her, threw her into the back seat of a police cruiser, and drove her to a police station inside the confines of the Denver Federal Center.

Once inside, she was taken down a hall and told to sit in a chair, still handcuffed, while one of the policemen went through her purse, now retrieved from the bus.

The two policemen sat in front of their computers, typing and conferring, trying to figure out what they should charge her with. Eventually, they wrote up several tickets, took her outside and removed the handcuffs, returned her belongings, and pointed her toward the bus stop. She was told that if she ever entered the Denver Federal Center again, she would go to jail.

She hasn't commuted by public bus since that day.

Your right, if you just mindlessly comply you should be just fine. Just act like a sheep like everyone else, no independent thought or actions, and you will have nothing to worry about. Just do what the state tells you.


To those who have awakened, don't waste your time, we have others we should be waking up, those who will hear let them hear.

Oh god not info wars....


Anyways..

If you don't want random check point, I suggest we make our government get their act together and CLOSE the borders.....

The most perplexing issue in all of politics.. is why not? doesn't make sense at all...

Rockpuck --

I completely agree with you in that we have an illegal immigration problem.

The common sense approach to solving it is to relax legal immigration policy, while at the same time, increasing enforcement on illegal.

My opinion is that there will have to be an Amnesty for the millions already here. I just can't see any way to justly solve the problem. We don't have the resources or the political will to forcibly evict millions of illegals.

Make a new thread. I'll post on it.