Counter Threats from Iranian Leader

Counter Threats from Iranian Leader

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TEHRAN -- Iran's supreme leader said today that Tehran will pursue nuclear activities outside international regulations if the U.N. Security Council insists it stop uranium enrichment.

"Until today, what we have done has been in accordance with international regulations," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said. "But if they take illegal actions, we too can take illegal actions and will do so."

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More rhetoric to counter the threats of UN sanctions, or are they serious?

Any predictions on how long it will be until there are either US or Israeli strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities?



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Originally posted by Crakeur
with russia pulling people out I think Iran is quickly losing the one thing that is keeping anything major from happening. As a result, sanctions will be tougher and that alone might diffuse the situation or, at the very least, result in the removal of armenalongunpronounceablename.

I do think at some point either Israel or the US is going to do something but I think you'll see the sanctions and a globally tougher stance first

you move, I move

Global chess with billions of innocent, hard working, family loving pawns to use at their power/hate mongering will.

Nothing can stop this, Iran's leader wants nuclear conflict, he is very vocal on the subject of "endtimes", he knows that the US War on terror has lost it's luster from the Iraq fiasco, and any agression against Iran will not be an accepted move for those trying to retain political power in the US.

The poor and oppressed in the middle east are angry and their leaders, to avoid taking any blame for their oppression, have a very well formulated plan of deflecting (hateschooling/brainwashing the youth, complete manipulation of their religion to incite global hatred), all of their problems onto the west has kept these Islamic leaders in control.

The US is not without blame, throughout the cold war the US has used some of these same people in the name of freedom and once the game was exhausted, threw the remains to the trash heap much like the many of poor and underpriveleged who reside in the US in virtual anonymity.

Not to mention the west's unadulterated quest for oil, money, & power.

I apologize for the rant, it just seems everyday we draw closer to a conflict in which billions will suffer for the sake of a few.

If anyone thinks there is a solution to this global checkmate I (and billions of others), would love to hear it......

You sure make a point JacKatMtn, I can't see a single thought expressed in your post as being anything less than realistic.

As for Iran, Russia and the Checkmate problem, a Daisy Cutter on the plant would stop the threat. Sure there would be all hell unleashed and would would most likely be living in a new kind of world but unlike Iraq, Iran is danger and their adolescent leader shouldn't be allowed to play with guns.

Action is all these murderers understand. Trying to reason is unreasonable with extremists living within a sixth century book. Hold the countries producing terrorist murderers as responsible as the blood thirsty groups they belong to.

Peace by strength isn't enough anymore, perhaps peace through potent action is?

Dallas

A daisycutter isn't going to do a damn thing to a facility buried under 40 feet of reinforced concrete, hate to break it to you. Not to mention there is not just one facility, but several, some in densely populated urban areas.

There is no way to permanently shut down Iran's nuclear program (which we have no proof is a weapons program BTW) short of invading and occupying the country, which simply isn't in the cards. There are no easy emotionally satifying answers here, and tough-guy BS isn't going to cut it.

I heard of a possible date that could mark the start of the air campaign: April 6. It's a muslim holiday. I heard that it would be a 12 hour bombing campaign against Iran military and infrastructure.

Originally posted by xmotex
A daisycutter isn't going to do a damn thing to a facility buried under 40 feet of reinforced concrete, hate to break it to you. Not to mention there is not just one facility, but several, some in densely populated urban areas.

If I am not mistaken they have or are set to test a 0.7 kiloton nuclear bunker buster specifically for this purpose.

Fighting nukes with a nuke?

I am not sure the Israelis have the patience for diplomacy any longer, and I wonder how long the Bush administration is willing to wait for UN sanctions, or Iranian compliance.

It seems to be a waiting game now, and no one seems willing to give any on their positions.

This could get ugly in a hurry, but I suppose it is better to be as optimistic as possible.

I don't believe the Israelis or the US are going to allow Iran to reach the ability to create nuclear warheads or bombs. And with each passing day Iran could be much closer to having a minimal nuclear arsenal.

[edit on 22-3-2007 by UM_Gazz]

When Ahmadinejad(sp?) goes off spouting stuff like this, I don't pay it
much attention, but when the Supreme leader, one of the people who
hold the power start saying stuff like this, well it makes me concerned.

Originally posted by iori_komei
When Ahmadinejad(sp?) goes off spouting stuff like this, I don't pay it
much attention, but when the Supreme leader, one of the people who
hold the power start saying stuff like this, well it makes me concerned.

Don't you think the 'Supreme' leader would most definately shut this guy up, if that were the case? The guy has been appointed as Iran's spokesperson. TPTB are most definately telling 'jad what to say.


I'd be concerned.

-Sour

[edit on 21-3-2007 by SourGrapes]

Originally posted by SourGrapes
Don't you think the 'Supreme' leader would most definately shut this guy up, if that were the case? The guy has been appointed as Iran's spokesperson. TPTB are most definately telling 'jad what to say.

Wel not really, I mean they have in the past basically told him he needs
to shut-up and quit being so, out there.

"A daisycutter isn't going to do a damn thing to a facility buried under 40 feet of reinforced concrete, hate to break it to you. Not to mention there is not just one facility, but several, some in densely populated urban areas. "
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Perhaps. Use whatever's necessary (GBU 28)? to get the job done and the nuclear threat from Iran out of the way, without use of nuclear weapons.
I've seen several aerial views of the suspected locations in Iran and feel warnings to their people should be made if it will not compromise operations to get the job done.

Dallas

GBU 28: www.fas.org...

D Cutter: www.fas.org...

Nuc bnkr busters (no): www.globalresearch.ca...

edit: nuc bnkr buster link added

[edit on 22-3-2007 by Dallas]

If anything does happen with this my guess is it would come from Israel. Not saying I hope anything will happen. I would rather this all just turn out to be a bunch words, but unfortunately the nuke threat is probably very real.

A lot of "press" has been given to the possability that we may go after iran's fotified Urainium Processing Plants with Nuclear based "Bunker Busters."

This coulb be a bit of disinformation to deflect attention on the next generation of bunker busters.

The good-ole-boys of the US government have been worrking feverously on hypervelocity wepons over the last couple decades.

A rather Large hunk of extremely dense metal travaling at VERY high speed would be the equivalent of a rather nasty meteorite. Forified bunkers wouldn't be safe.

www.popularmechanics.com...

Iranian navy starts war games in the Gulf: TV

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Mar 22, 2007 — TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's navy started more than a week of war games in the Gulf on Thursday using small vessels carrying missile launchers and tactical submarines, state television reported.

The exercises are the latest in a series of maneuvers staged by Iran's military in the Gulf region, where the United States has deployed a second aircraft carrier, a move widely seen as a warning to Tehran over its nuclear ambitions.

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"If they want to threaten us and use force and violence, they should have no doubt that Iranians will use any means necessary to strike a blow against those who assault them," said Khamenei, Iran's spiritual, political and military chief, in a speech from his hometown in the eastern Iranian city of Mashad.

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What about a next generation fortified bunker? LOL

Would that stop a next generation bunker buster? LOL

I dont know I'm just beimng silly

According to the article they threaten to use illegal means to obtain nuclear weapons, which obviously means buying them on the black market. My question is what if they already have a bomb or two? This is something I don't hear anyone taking into consideration. I have an Iranian friend who has lived in the US for several years and we talk about the current situation, and he said he thinks Iran already has some nuclear weapons. If we or Israel bomb their facilities I would not be surprised if they strike back at Israel. This should be considered before we loose patients and bomb them.

[edit on 3/22/2007 by Hal9000]

Originally posted by Hal9000
My question is what if they already have a bomb or two?

Excellent question, and there is no way to know for sure. The Russian factor is worrisome, mainly because Russia has contracts with Iran, strong ties, and has provided Iran with technology for it's nuclear power program, as well as sold them weaponry. It would not be out of the realm of speculative possibility that the Russians have or would sell Iran either nuclear weapons technology, or weaponry.

The fact that United States has deployed a second aircraft carrier into the Gulf as response to Iran's "war games" is also worrisome.

In this uneasy time right now it would take very little for this to escalate into military conflict and/or US and possibly Israeli coordinated strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities and/or Russian made nuclear reactors/power plants.

My question is, What will the Russian response be to these strikes?

Perhaps. Use whatever's necessary (GBU 28)? to get the job done and the nuclear threat from Iran out of the way, without use of nuclear weapons.

There is no nuclear threat from Iran, any more than there was a nuclear threat from Iraq. It's amazing how willing people are to fall for the same BS twice, if it gives them an excuse to slaughter a lot of brown skinned foreigners.

Even the US .gov itself has admitted that should Iran choose to produce a nuclear bomb, they are at best 5-10 years from being able to.

My question is, What will the Russian response be to these strikes?

Hopefully by nuking DC into a sheet of radioactive glass, it would be the best thing that ever happened to this country. Sadly I don't think the Russians are going to do a damn thing.

[edit on 3/22/07 by xmotex]

Originally posted by iori_komei
When Ahmadinejad(sp?) goes off spouting stuff like this, I don't pay it
much attention, but when the Supreme leader, one of the people who
hold the power start saying stuff like this, well it makes me concerned.

dont see what the concern is?
he stated the ovious you feck with us and we can feck you back and go underground and not comply with your BS


to those that believe Iran is building Nukes
where is your proof? i mean hard proof