Is ATS prepared for a real conspiracy proof

Dont laugh this post is serious!

I registered here in 2004 after way too much fighting about the unexplainable (in my opinion) "facts" of 9/11 in other internet sites, So I found ATS and began cheqking new data and new theories about some events that looked fishy or weird, be those politically related, UFO related, military related etc.

After the Catherder post about the Pentagon and checking that some "moderators took a defenitive side and even mocked some member (yeah maybe they were too out here but mocking and slandering was uncalled for) I left ATS for over a year, came back, read some posted a little ...

Months passed and now ( I mean 5 months till) now there has been recent info, investigative efforts and posts that have shed some light on some CT here, in my view the tables are turning but we lack a real smoking gun.....

So the question is..

Is ATS ready for a post or a member pointing or having a "smoking gun" evidence that would be incontrovertible and undebunkable to appear here (even if such a member puts himself to danger by the power that be?)

I DONT THINK SO....

I guess that if someone would put a photo of a shooter on the grassy knoll it would be gone in no time or the server would die, or a pletora of "expert" debunkers and Photoshop thruters would appear in a flash...

What are your views, can a real conspiracy proof appear here and change "the world" so to speak?

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My hope is that it could appear here someday.

My fear is that it will not, can not - and why not? Because the powers that control the release of such information are not at all within the original poster's ability to manage. Observers are here aplenty. They tolerate much, encourage some, disinform on a few.

They are also ready to take immediate and strong action in an instant if needed.

Are you saying you have a smoking gun?

Are you saying you have a smoking gun?

If I had Id be dead !


The main purpose is that I think we need "real" info but the "real" info would not be posted here...

Now If you had info how would you make it public if all media is controlled?

Originally posted by kix
Is ATS ready for a post or a member pointing or having a "smoking gun" evidence that would be incontrovertible and undebunkable to appear here (even if such a member puts himself to danger by the power that be?)

I DONT THINK SO....

I guess that if someone would put a photo of a shooter on the grassy knoll it would be gone in no time or the server would die, or a pletora of "expert" debunkers and Photoshop thruters would appear in a flash...

What are your views, can a real conspiracy proof appear here and change "the world" so to speak?

Could you please be more specific? The way I'm reading your OP is that either you are accusing ATS staff of hiding or obfuscating evidence or you are concerned that the 'powers that be' (ie guv'mint) will shut down this website when such proofs surface.

Well, you couldn't really could you? I mean, if we assume that you can trust noone, not even your own friends then you'd be walking around with a heavy burden the rest of your life.
People learn to forgive and forget what should be forgiven and forgotten (according to the individual government)...
My own personal example of this is after having spend some time here, first as reader, now as curious "writer", I talked to a life long friend of mine.
I could recall him having the same interest in ufos and such back in our gradeschool days. I asked him if he could remember that... he gave no conclusive answer, instead he answered with a question: "Why are you asking this?" I told him I was getting back into the same interest as we had back then and he replied with: "...oh, you mean like "strange" talk and such?", I laughed and said yes... after that the conversation was really over. It left me with a funny feeling. The feeling that if being given intimate knowledge of some sorts which was better off being disclosed, I have noone to really go to, other than my girlfriend.

(heh... did you ever wonder if the all the info and reports in magazines and papers on celebs cutting their hair or being drunk is just to keep us numb?)

So to answer your question, it's a damn picky time right now to be disclosing stuff ain't it?

I can't help thinking if the uniform decission to not wanting to know, is because everyone is feeling that something is on the way. Most people just don't want to face it, as it will uproot the world as they know it and make them face decissions which can't be made lightly.

A martyr is needed, not just the efforts of wellknown disclosers, but regular people or credible government officials. Then the rest who has knowledge can bask in their glory and disclose what ever they know or have seen.

The first step will be hard... after that it will a chaotic downhill ride.

IMO ofc

helllooooo

what he is saying is very important to the way that members "filter "these "proofs" and allegations of conspiracy's thru there beleif systems

he's wondering if people actually beleive they can uncover something and actually get moderator's support and the hey good job refine your search even more pat on the back response instead of the hah hah you've got to be joking impressions

due to being on here for a couple years and having ZERO CONSPIRACY'S OFFICIALLY FIGURED OUT the op is wondering if we actually *beleive* that a conspiracy could be uncovered here, and after over a year and hundreds if not thousands of threads not shedding light on ANY NEW POPLULAR THOUGHTs or EARTHSHATTERING DISCOVERIES he came to the conclusion that ATS can't provide a ground breaking popular thought changing gov't secret to light

because it has yet to happen and he is wondering if other's feel the same way

GREAT POST

it's like a post gains momentum and then posters and people are waiting for the debunkers to show up they are waiting for the thread to lose steam they are waiting for the deflection, misdirection, disinformation, personal attacks instead of trying to find common ground to get to the bottom of the real story. because this is what they have been conditioned to beleive will happen and has happened the last 2000 threads or so.

maybe a thread detailing some conspiracy's that do happen

like child porn rings amongst figureheads

energy devices that create energy out of "thin air" being surpressed
(notice i didn't say free)

the failed model of drugs to cure diseases and why organizations such as the FDA continute to manipulate people to seeing drug cures as the best option for disease STILL (lately merck and mandated vaccines for hpv and a WEAK but highly fear mongerable link to cervical cancer)

and yes this is a discussion board but you would think that with the world as screwed up morally as the people on this board know it is, we could find some common ground as to more details of some of the events.

i think really, conspiracy theories are always going to be just that- however much one person may think they have a smoking gun, theres always going to be someone saying "thats not relevant/accurate/proven" etc. so that no one ever really knows what to say! i mean, i've seen things on here that i think are pretty conclusive evidence, but theres always another ATSer who knows a little bit more, or questions a detail that will suddenly make me sit and wonder.

I dont think the moderators would stop something really important going on here, but there does seem to be a worry that you'll get killed off for revealing what you know, so do you think you would actually reveal something yourself, through these forums?? i guess it depends on the issue in question, but leaking something to the press of another country could be a good way to do something- for example a country with a freer press, who wouldn't necessarily twist something to fit the official story of whatever the issue is. that way a lot of people could get to hear about it, and possibly it would spread (and hopefully "they" wouldn't bother coming after the one person who first blabbed, once so many people knew.. oh i don't know...

this is a really good thread! it's got me thinking...

if you did have such evidence your best bet would be to tell know one.....
And take rediculous precautions....
Assuming the evidence is digital.....
Unplug your pc from the internet and re-install it then burn 500 copies onto discs and mail them out to 500 differnent people who you suspect may be interested in the material (national and international) and include a note that and pass it on like a chain letter ETC ...ETC ETC and only after this has been done then post it on the net.....
After that delete your mailing list and burn any evidence ETc and distroy you PC.

Even after this you will still probably be found out......... as security video will probably id you mailing them ETC..... but by then hopefully it will be too late as it will be out there to the extent that it will be impossible for the powers that be to get them all with out tipping their hand........

So they will probably not bother killing you.
But they might be very annoyed.......
Who knows what they could do if they have a sense of humor?????
i dont want to think about it.....

Good day,

The OP has a very valid question.
What would the consequences be for the moderators of ATS?
How long would it truly take for a government or security agency to be informed that a true piece of evidence about any of the major conspiracies of our time be exposed on line?
How short of a time frame would it take for those government or agencies to provide disinformation or better yet wipe out the information all together as well as the person who provided it?
A very spooky quote comes to mind from a recent movie. “There is the Government of the United States and everyone else is just a visitor.”
The question that should be asked: “Is the world and its population truly ready to know the truth that has been hidden from it in plain sight, for thousands of years about countless thousands of incidents, by organizations and governments?”

Arcticnull

Originally posted by flice
Well, you couldn't really could you? I mean, if we assume that you can trust noone, not even your own friends then you'd be walking around with a heavy burden the rest of your life.

People learn to forgive and forget what should be forgiven and forgotten (according to the individual government)...

My own personal example of this is after having spend some time here, first as reader, now as curious "writer", I talked to a life long friend of mine.
I could recall him having the same interest in ufos and such back in our gradeschool days. I asked him if he could remember that... he gave no conclusive answer, instead he answered with a question: "Why are you asking this?" I told him I was getting back into the same interest as we had back then and he replied with: "...oh, you mean like "strange" talk and such?", I laughed and said yes... after that the conversation was really over. It left me with a funny feeling. The feeling that if being given intimate knowledge of some sorts which was better off being disclosed, I have noone to really go to, other than my girlfriend.

Interesting and I don't disagree. I have a 'friend' whose relative was in a position to know something, and when asked the 'relative' allegedly said 'It's nice to have a hobby' and then changed the subject.

Now, oddly, let's say hypothetically, that this 'relative' lives in or near *location deleted* a location known for high strangeness and sightings. In addition, let's say, hypothetically, that he or she was a pilot. Let's also speculate that where they were based and what kind of planes they flew that they'd be in a position to have at least a minimum level of exposure to this concept. Yet they acted completely puzzled and uninformed.

Would you not think that they'd be aware of 'gun camera footage'. or just the _concept_ of unidentified craft, or the ET hypothesis? I mean pilots share 'stories' and military people all know of 'foo fighters' from WWII. But this guy was totally unaware of the whole deal, or so it seemed.

Note that I kind of support your idea by finding myself a bit shy about disclosing too many details, even with my meager info. I wouldn't want this totally hypothetical friend and this theoretical relative to come to some harm.

One other example:
In a recent History Channel JFK debunking, the onscreen talent was standing near the street level storm drain and saying 'the shooter could not have seen or shot the right trajectory'.

But, it was FREAKIN OBVIOUS to all that there was a 10-layer thick buildup of new asphalt over top of the old storm drain and of course no one could see out of this drain...now

So why lead the viewer away from this possibility when even a Caveman (g) would realize there was a build up of asphalt from repaving for 30-40 years?

I mean there are other reasons to buy or discount the information, but it's as though the on-screen talent had a glint in his eye, as though he realized that what he was saying was retarded.

I think, similarly to you, that real smoking gun stuff would not be posted in plain language and in plain sight here due to the ramifications. I think the site would or could get shut down if info that was not (yet) declassified, even if the poster got it through seemingly legit or open channels.

In fact when Paul McGinnis posted about findings he located in open journals and proposals, he talked to me in emails about being a bit anxious for putting this info out in public at first.

So yeah, while ATS is a great place, and there's lots of cool speculation, I'd say that there's little or no new disclosure happening out in the open. People can post 'stories', but if a real experiencer had real information, say giving out license plate numbers, or project names and pro-words, that there might be some, how shall we say, 'negative consequences'.

Just my 2 cents.

What bothers me is that ATS may never offer a "smoking" gun, maybe even the moderator do not know about it but the day someone posts something really ATS with a beyond doubt proof, the server mayy crash down, or be in "service" etc...
In my country I used to have very high level info, and I knew I have to keep my mouth shut, thats why I find "naive" for some ATS member to disbelieve that ordinary John Doe will keep its mouth shut and keep the government agenda safe...

An example (DISCLAIMER ITS ONLY AN EXAMPLE)

Let say I was filling my gas tank at the Citgo gas and by chance I caught the whole pentagon thing on tape, and I have the "smokin gun", and proof that there is something fishy in the tape that disproves the "official" history, Id know if I came out with that, Id know that my hours on earth are counted, or worse, so the main question would be would you chance your life on getting the thruth out?

I know I wont... so I think most ATSers wont also...