Bomb Evidence and Cover Up

well, you can think that, but you are incorrect.


heres a test you can do. go to your local firestation and ask any of them this:

"if you were called to a burning high rise and people were trapped, but there were reports of there being bombs in the building. what is the procedure?"

ask them that as i think thats a fair and balanced question that doesnt lead them in one direction or another.

but seriously, go ask them. i think the answer may suprise you.

Originally posted by Damocles
well, you can think that, but you are incorrect.


heres a test you can do. go to your local firestation and ask any of them this:

"if you were called to a burning high rise and people were trapped, but there were reports of there being bombs in the building. what is the procedure?"

ask them that as i think thats a fair and balanced question that doesnt lead them in one direction or another.

but seriously, go ask them. i think the answer may suprise you.

And then throw in the fact that it was an extraordinary event in which this happened where our country clearly seemed to be under attack. An aggressive military style attack and find out what their reply is going to be.

Any old building on fire will not garner the same response as a supposed terror attack. It's a matter of patriotism and duty at that point and I guarantee you that the majority of those men and women would do it again in a heartbeat regardless of what they were told about the danger involved, bombs or not.

It's just not the same my friend.

Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
Whether or not planes hit the buildings does not pertain to this thread. The people resonsible for destroying the WTC towers clearly had their act together. Theses structures were incredibly strong and required an extraordinary effort to bring them down. There are probably very few people alive today with the know-how to successfully pull off the job. I doubt any of them are participating in this thread. I don't pretend to know the methods used, and likewise seriously question anyone here trying to dismiss the pre-collapse explosions as irrelevant.

see, thats why its so hard to convince me there were bombs there at all. i have 12 years of experience in the military working with explosives and other wmd's adn i COULD have done the job, however, no scenario ive ever tried to come up with could be done so covertly that it wasnt BLATENTLY obvious to everyone in new york that it was explosives. and there is NO physical evidence that there were any bombs. none.

IF it was a CD then the guys that did it are absolute gods of demolitions with stuff that just defies the basic nature of explosives to pull it off.

Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
Whether or not planes hit the buildings does not pertain to this thread. The people resonsible for destroying the WTC towers clearly had their act together. Theses structures were incredibly strong and required an extraordinary effort to bring them down. There are probably very few people alive today with the know-how to successfully pull off the job. I doubt any of them are participating in this thread. I don't pretend to know the methods used, and likewise seriously question anyone here trying to dismiss the pre-collapse explosions as irrelevant.

Right. So since none of us have the technical knowledge necessary to explain how this could be done, then your conclusions are as valid as mine.

Originally posted by Damocles


also dont forget its not like the explosion in the vid was across the street. the accoustics of the sound passing between all the buildings etc will change the sound.

WAIT, STOP RIGHT THERE. Did you say its not across the street? WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN. Watch the cloud of dust hit them. You are telling me this would have happend if they were far away?

Originally posted by Damocles
did anyone see any unexploded bombs before the towers collapsed?

no.

They were hidden. Its supposed to be a secret remember?

Originally posted by Damocles
did anyone see any bombs actually detonating?

no.

Pretty much just showed you a video of some really close people seeing something detonating.

Originally posted by Damocles
did anyone find evidence of there being live explosive devices or parts from exploded devices?

no.

Not yet, but do you really think information like that would not be suppressed?

Originally posted by Damocles
is it possible that in the confusion people thoguht there were bombs but if you would ask the same people now if they still thought tehre were bombs would they say yes?

unknown.

Why are you asking this question? Police, Fire, and Civilians all reported explosions. Technicaly when something explodes, its concidered a bomb. Same thing, get it?

Originally posted by Damocles
last, id like to offer this for you to consider.


do ANY of you REALLY believe that if the incident commander thought there were active BOMBS in the buildings that even ONE firefighter would have been in there?

honestly?

Do you honestly think the firefighters are a bunch of cowards?? Do you truely believe they would NOT run in and save people if there were bombs?? Do you understand that firefighters put their lives on the line every frikken day? And on 911, 100's of true frikken heros died to save people in the face of danger?!?! Do you realize that you are implying they would save them self, before they would save someone else??? I am 100% ashamed of you. To think that those firefighters would not save someone in the face of danger, especialy after 911 you say that.. you are horrible.

Originally posted by Damocles
see, thats why its so hard to convince me there were bombs there at all. i have 12 years of experience in the military working with explosives and other wmd's adn i COULD have done the job,

OOOOK Get over yourself.

Originally posted by Damocles
well, you can think that, but you are incorrect.


heres a test you can do. go to your local firestation and ask any of them this:

"if you were called to a burning high rise and people were trapped, but there were reports of there being bombs in the building. what is the procedure?"

ask them that as i think thats a fair and balanced question that doesnt lead them in one direction or another.

but seriously, go ask them. i think the answer may suprise you.

Yeah you know, Ive seen firefighters running towards burning fuel tanks all the time, trying to save someone trapped in their burning car that leaks gas. No, they would selflessly wait till it explodes before they go in..

FRIKKEN A, YOU ARE A DISCRACE! HOW DARE YOU JUDGE THE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE HORRIBLE DAY OF 911.

[edit on 19-3-2007 by Connected]

Originally posted by Connected
FRIKKEN A, YOU ARE A DISCRACE! HOW DARE YOU JUDGE THE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE HORRIBLE DAY OF 911.

You know what? Your behavior on this forum is so out-of-line it's not even funny.

You know as well as I do that Damocles was not questioning the bravery or patriotism of firefighters. He was talking about protocol, and what firefighters are allowed to do in certain situations--like a site with explosives.

Yet, you used that to smear him anyway, and make him out to be something he's not. That's a disgusting thing to do, especially since you have enough sense to know what he really meant.

[edit on 19-3-2007 by whiterabbit]

Originally posted by whiterabbit

You know as well as I do that Damocles was not questioning the bravery or patriotism of firefighters.

Yes he was. Did you even read his posts? He's claiming they wouldn't rush into potentialy deadly places to save other people. Thats horrible.

Originally posted by Connected
He's claiming they wouldn't rush into potentialy deadly places to save other people. Thats horrible.

Because they might not be allowed to do so, not because they were cowards.

Yet, you made it out like that's what he said, like he was accusing firefighters of being cowards.

That was an absolutely disgusting thing of you to do. It was a baseless smear.

are you finished?

please allow me to retort...though ill have to be particularly mindful of the T&C of the site, i think i can handle this.

first of all, for a marine with "lots of experience" with explosives you obviously dont know a damn thing. really, have you read your posts? do you have any experience outside boot camp with demo or were you a paper pusher?

next, why is it that the only time you attack me personaly about my posts is when we're not discussing the specifics of explosives? you duck all the other questions ive ever asked save one which its obvious you looked up on wiki.

lastly, who the hell do you think you are to twist my words in such a way?
i have TRAINED with guys that WERE THERE on 9-11 and were also part of the rescue ops for days afterwards. how many guys that were there have you bought beers for huh? i have nothing but respect for EMS personelle, hell i even went to paramedic school nights, i KNOW EMS protocols.

and if you are seriously dumb enough to compare burning fuel tanks to bombs then i have to question your knowledge in any of these matters.

because its pretty obvious when you watch a fuel tank burning when it may or may not explode, there are indicators but with a bomb, if you had clue one, you would know that there is NO warning. thers no little timer on it that if you cut the blue wire will stop the countdown.

stop watching hollywood garbage, get some real data and come back and debate the issues.

if all you can do is try to discredit me, which anyone with HALF a brain can see thats all you are doing then you bring nothing to the discussion.

its people like you that give ct's a bad name. cant debate the issues so you resort to half assed personal attacks to try to discredit me when all youve done is shown that youre most likely some punk kid in his parents basement thats never gone out in the day light much less done anything of any significance in the real world.

but let me ask you, did you get out of the corps before or after you learned that "the govt did 911"? did you serve the machine you claim to hate? or did you buy the lies and get out when your tour was up?

Originally posted by Connected
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Why are you asking this question? Police, Fire, and Civilians all reported explosions. Technicaly when something explodes, its concidered a bomb. Same thing, get it?

wrong again, but nice try. next?

FIRST YOU SAY THIS:

Originally posted by Damocles
see, thats why its so hard to convince me there were bombs there at all. i have 12 years of experience in the military working with explosives and other wmd's adn i COULD have done the job,

THEN YOU SAY THIS:

Originally posted by Damocles

i have TRAINED with guys that WERE THERE on 9-11 and were also part of the rescue ops for days afterwards. how many guys that were there have you bought beers for huh?

So are you telling ME, that you are an EXPLOSIVES EXPERT, and you TRAIN WITH THE GUYS THAT WERE THERE ON 911????

Did YOU wire those buildings up for CD?? Are YOU helping with the cover up? It appears so!!

HEY LOOK GUYS, THE BOMB TECHINITIAN WHO WIRED UP WTC 7 IS RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORUM!! WOW!

[edit on 19-3-2007 by Connected]

Originally posted by dariousg
And then throw in the fact that it was an extraordinary event in which this happened where our country clearly seemed to be under attack. An aggressive military style attack and find out what their reply is going to be.

Any old building on fire will not garner the same response as a supposed terror attack. It's a matter of patriotism and duty at that point and I guarantee you that the majority of those men and women would do it again in a heartbeat regardless of what they were told about the danger involved, bombs or not.

It's just not the same my friend.

first id like to point ouit that THIS is how you have an adult conversation.

he disagrees with me, but states his opinions in an intelligent manner. thanks

now, yeah, you could then throw out an attack as a follow up question, but you guys dont realize something.

firefighters are not cowards by any means, but they also arent stupid. if the go running into a building that has bombs in it...they know they cuold die. ok, well you could die crossing the street yeah, but in order to save people you yourself have to be alive to do it.

you go into a burning building cuz you know how fire acts on a building and you are trained to handle it. you have equipment just for that. you throw bombs into the mix and you have unknowns and the safety factor goes to hell, you CANT SAVE OTHERS IF YOU ARE DEAD. and most firefighters are aware of that. that is why they train so hard so that they can meet the challenges of their job. bombs are not their job.

but dont believe me, im apparently an unpatriotic moron who thinks firefighters are cowards.

you people preach about research, go ask the local firestation the exact question i posed here. dont change it to slant it one way or another. just ask it.

Originally posted by Connected
FIRST YOU SAY THIS:

Originally posted by Damocles
see, thats why its so hard to convince me there were bombs there at all. i have 12 years of experience in the military working with explosives and other wmd's adn i COULD have done the job,

THEN YOU SAY THIS:

Originally posted by Damocles

i have TRAINED with guys that WERE THERE on 9-11 and were also part of the rescue ops for days afterwards. how many guys that were there have you bought beers for huh?

So are you telling ME, that you are an EXPLOSIVES EXPERT, and you TRAIN WITH THE GUYS THAT WERE THERE ON 911????

Did YOU wire those buildings up for CD?? Are YOU helping with the cover up? It appears so!!

HEY LOOK GUYS, THE BOMB TECHINITIAN WHO WIRED UP WTC 7 IS RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORUM!! WOW!

[edit on 19-3-2007 by Connected]

are you reallly that............


yeah i got nothing. this is like explaining something to a 5yo

"why?"

"why?"

"why?"

"why?"

so i guess if its a matter of the most stubborn wins then you win. im done wasting my time on you. you obviously have no clue whatsoever.

when u get one let me know ill be happy to discuss this event but til then im done.

the guys in the ufo forums are much more entertaining than you are.

Originally posted by Connected

Originally posted by whiterabbit

You know as well as I do that Damocles was not questioning the bravery or patriotism of firefighters.

Yes he was. Did you even read his posts? He's claiming they wouldn't rush into potentialy deadly places to save other people. Thats horrible.

I just called a police office friend of mine, who was a firefighter before joining the police force. He stated that if their is any indication that a bomb is in a building that is on fire, the safety protocol is that the FIREFIGHTERS safey is of UPMOST importance, and they will NOT ENTER the building until the bomb, if present, is secured by the proper authorities.

[edit on 19-3-2007 by sensfan]

Flame war bigger than the wtc just erupted while I was away...out of here.

Alright, let's apply some chill here.

Crap I forgot the tags...

Do you really thing I'm going to buy your story? A explosives expert that trained with the firefighters that were present on 911? REALLY?

Thats rediculous.

Oh B.T.W. I am Elvis Presley!