New Evidence - Did Robert Kennedy kill Monroe?

Here's the link to the article titled FBI files link Kennedy to Monroe's Death

FBI file links Kennedy to Monroe's death

BOBBY KENNEDY'S affair with the screen idol Marilyn Monroe has been documented, but a secret FBI file suggests the late US attorney-general was aware of - and perhaps even a participant in - a plan "to induce" her suicide.

The detailed three-page report implicates the Hollywood actor Peter Lawford, Monroe's psychiatrist, staff and her publicist in the plot.

The allegations suggest the 36-year-old actress, who had a history of staging attention-seeking suicide attempts, was deliberately given the means to fake another suicide on August 4, 1962. But this time, it is suggested, she was allowed to die as she sought help.

The document, hidden among thousands of pages released under freedom-of-information laws last October, was received by the FBI on October 19, 1964 - two years after her death -

It's a 2 page article and I was wondering what people think about it.

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[edit on 18-3-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Despite a disclaimer that it could not be sourced or authenticated,...

I'm haveing my doubts.

Of course the document could be sourced, they just didn't name the source so the public couldn't authenticate the story. The source is a former special agent working for Pat Brown. How could they know that it was a former special agent working for Pat brown if it was not sourced? I think they just didn't release the special agents name in order to throw people off. They know people are easy to be fooled. All you have to do is say it wasn't "sourced" and that will give people the excuse to doubt the story. I'm not saying it's true or not but it's very interesting and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it were true and was kept quiet just like so many other things are.

Interesting read. I believe there's been many claims MM was going to expose her fling with JFK and possibly RFK too.

Assuming that to be the case and if MM may have had knowledge of secret matters uttered around or to her during rendezvous with either of them, could that knowledge along with going public with the affair constitute the possibility of coming breach to National Security?

Which could bring in the OSI (AF) or NSA agents?
Having trouble with any Lawford connection on this one though. Seems to me though he was close to JFK, he was an outsider and without any government portfolio.

Dallas

I am a Monroe fan since my early teens and have read all the various conspiracies relating to her death. This is new information and as such can be added to the body of circumstantial evidence. As it stands though, all the players involved are dead and as such we may never know the true story.

There is no doubt that Marilyn was emotionally unstable, she was however, also a self-educated, intelligent woman, who made some dangerous connections. By all accounts her house was heavily bugged by both the intelligence communities and organised criminals. Her relationship with Arthur Miller in the early 50s drew FBI attention and subsequent associations (via Sinatra and Lawford) with Sam Giancana furthered her as a Hoover target. Add to that her subsequent relationships with JFK and RFK and there is little doubt in anyones mind that she would be have considered in those times as a threat to national security (especially given her popularity). JFK/RFK acrimonious relationship with both Hoover and organised crime again adds fuel.

The FBI in my opinion would have known what occurred in Monore's house that night - in detail. Monroe's diary has never turned up (and I doubt that it ever will). That they have let this particular document 'slip out' is telling in that it suggests that there may be much more that they are holding on to. The fact that all those implicated are now dead indicates that there could be a bigger story waiting to be unearthed. The Bay of Pigs conversations that were alledged to have taken place between Monroe and JFK could be it or it could be something else entirely.

Unfortunately we may never know and because of that, even if there is no conspiracy and just a tragic suicide, the doubt will always remain. The FBI I am sure have the means to clarify but for one reason or another they are still unwilling to do so.

Several years ago, I watched a documentary that laid out pretty much this same idea.

Peter Lawford did know the Kennedys quite well, remember he was married to one of their sisters, I believe. They had 'used' him as a connection to the hollywood crowd, and since he was 'family', they would have trusted him.

Seems like MM had announced that she would hold a press conference the next day (or so?), and that forced their hand.

A sad mess all around......I've often thought that the bad Karma from this returned to roost, as they both Kennedys died violently, and Peter Lawfordalso had a rather sad end.

....his career hit the skids he focused on vodka, painkillers and coc aine. When he died in 1984 he was destitute, reduced to selling his own life story to the tabloids. More than three years after his ashes were entombed, it turned out nobody had ever ponied up for the cost of his burial.

Frayed1

Could it have been "Say Goodbye to the President", I think that is about the best of those made, really comprehensive and based on Anthony Summers book.

You're right Peter lawford was married to one of the Kennedy sisters and was deeply troubled in later years, but I suppose having two of your friends assassinated could account for that - I suppose if he knew more he could have made an absolute fortune on selling his story on Monroe's death or not if he had to implicate himself in the process. He did have a relatively successful acting career, but his associations with both the Kennedy's and Sinatra took him in a less productive direction. I have heard him described as 'Kennedy's Pimp' in more than one book. I don't think his Kennedy marriage lasted very long either.

I had forgotten about the press conference,I can't remember where I read or watched that but you've certainly triggered a recollection. Its quite a long time since I considered it, realising that there will probably never be any closure.

Some Like it Hot is one of my all time favourites and I love a sing-a-long to Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. Whoever and whatever killed her, she was and is so lovely to watch, whatever else is said about her, they cannot take that away.

Kilgore,

I too am a MM fan, I think she had a wider range than just the 'sexy blonde'.....too bad she got so messed up and died so young.

I think Lawford could have told so much more......perhaps he did fear for his safety or that of his children, if he'd talked ( he was married several times, I can't recall if any of the children were with the Kennedy wife).

I would have expected him to be the most likely to have MM's missing diary, tho the FBI would probably have taken it away from him shortly thereafter.

Frayed1, I agree, Don't Bother to Knock and especially Bus Stop really demonstrate that the lady could act. I do think that even if she hadn't died when she did, she was so messed up that it was inevitable sooner or later. That she committed suicide adds up, but it has always seemed to me that there was more to it than that. That is why I find this document find quite interesting.

There is a more indepth article linked from the one the OP posted which is well worth reading for anumber of reasons.

www.smh.com.au...

I always felt, that of anyone Lawford could have shed more light on the issue (I can't watch films with him in, because I now just see a weak ineffectual man). When he died, I felt 'well thats that then'. Though Eunice Murray (the housekeeper) had 'plant' written all over her and came across as completely devoid of any compassion, similarly MMs private secretary, Pat Newcombe (I think that was her name - I could be mixing people up a little). She seemed surrounded by people with agendas.

I expect that if the diary ended up with the FBI it could still be out there, those guys certainly seem to like to hoard stuff - if it went to the Kennedy's I should imagine it went up in smoke. Shame, it would have been quite the interesting read.

I agree, the Anthony Summers book was the best IMO. Do you remember where he talked about how all of the original police files on MM had vanished right after her death, never to be seen again. I lived in L.A. (in the Hollywood Hills) at the time and the coroner, Thomas Naguchi, was notorious for being a crook, real easy to buy off. It does begin to look suspicious when you put all these factors together.
I remember reading that Lawford often acted as an errand boy, covering up various Kennedy crimes, shenanigans. So it wouldn't surprise me if he was involved. Maybe that's why he became an addict/alcoholic, from the remorse?
The whole thing is just too fish, I mean, if the Kennedys were anyone but Kennedys they would have been hauled into the police station and interrogated 9 ways to hell.
My mother was one of her housemates when she and MM both lived at the infamous Hollywood Studio Club - a residence for young aspiring starlets. They had a very strict "morals" policy for the women. When MM did her famous calendar, which launched her into the spotlight, they thought it wasn't moral enough and they made her leave the Studio Club. My how times have changed, huh? Mother said MM was very, very shy, hardly talked to anyone and seemed to be so lonely. Mother would often sit with her at breakfast, because she seemed so lonely. I do believe that she suffered with serious depression. It could have been suicide but I doubt it. I always loved her, so beautiful, cute and sexy all at the same time and what an actress! I love Some Like it Hot and still laugh at it.

Forestlady

Good point about Thomas Noguchi - the autopsy was totally suspect in my opinion - interestingly he also performed Robert Kennedy's autopsy. I vaguely remember about the files, but its been a while since I read the book - I think I'll dig it out and give it a quick skim. So much of the case stank to high heaven, if it wasn't down right obstruction it was people just looking the other way and whistling.

I am totally hyped that your Mum knew Marilyn - I was verging on obsessed with her when I was younger, and still just smile and sigh when I see her on film - I have about 30 books on her and all her films (still working on replacing them to DVD) - it is so big a deal to me to hear your Mum's recollection of her, thank you so much. I first saw Some Like it Hot when I was 9 and I was hooked from that moment on. I could gush on and on about her, but I won't, but truly I am just bubbling. I feel like I'm 13 again.

I went through a period where I was just so angry at her death and convinced it was murder, but no matter how much I read or how many documentaries I watched, I could never find the definitive answer, when Lawford died I kind of let it go. Now new information comes out, I've spent all afternoon going through the FBI papers referred too - the blacked out names just tantilise, it is so frustrating. I am sure that the FBI could actually provide a detailed description of the night but they won't because to do that they have to admit what we all know anyway - they illegally bugged private residences...its all so ahhhhhhhh!!!

Anyway thanks, you've made my day.

Oh, yes, MM can turn the most curmudgenly, cynical person to mush. It's funny, whenever I tell anyone about my mother knowing her, there's always a guy like yourself that becomes a love-sick teenage boy again. I'm enthralled with her, too. She was so beautiful. Have you ever seen the calendar I mentioned? It was before she had any cosmetic surgery and she looked so pretty and sweet, very natural. I loved Some lLike it Hot and I also like Don't Bother to Knock, she was so vulnerable in that movie.
My mother has always believed that it was the Kennedys who offed her; but then she never liked the Kennedys anyway.

Forestlady

Sorry I must have come across as gushier than I thought, I'm not a guy. MM died well before I was even born but she came into my life when I needed someone to connect to, I cannot even begin to explain how much she meant to me on that level so I can see where you got the impression. She was my first platonic love.

My fave photos are the Andre di Dienes from circa 1945, she was in her late teens and they show the before and after transformation. she simply shone. The calendar came out I think around that time and I actually have an original picture from it that someone dug out for me (very bad condition and totally worthless to anyone but me).

It is amazing because I was totally uninterested in the JFK assassination conspiracy for years because I simply felt - karma, what goes around comes around. It is only with age that I have realised that there is more than meets the eye and begin to be able look at the events and evidence dispassionately. MM was my first conspiracy and it really speared my interest in all things conspiratorial.

My apologies Kilgore, wrong assumption on my part. But you know, I feel the same way about her. I get gushy about her, too. That's what I meant about even women react that way. She did have a shininess about her didn't she?