757 Plane Did Not Hit Pentagon - Hard Visible Proof!

Witnesses, bodies and chunks of airplane belonging to an American Airlines 757 found in the wreckage of the Pentagon, yet they still choose to believe their fantasies about missiles, truck bombs, and in one case an Israeli air force jet.....gotta wonder.....

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Witnesses, bodies and chunks of airplane belonging to an American Airlines 757 found in the wreckage of the Pentagon, yet they still choose to believe their fantasies about missiles, truck bombs, and in one case an Israeli air force jet.....gotta wonder.....

Bodies? This is a new one, please provide link, photos. I thought there were no bodies due to the impact.

I guess you are privy to some info we are not.

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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Witnesses, bodies and chunks of airplane belonging to an American Airlines 757 found in the wreckage of the Pentagon, yet they still choose to believe their fantasies about missiles, truck bombs, and in one c-ase an Israeli air force jet.....gotta wonder.....

Again it depends on what witnesses you choose to believe. There are enough that contradict your fantasy.
Again the 'wreckage' has not been linked to any known 757.
Bodies? The only bodies we know of FOR SURE are the ones that were in the pentagoon when the incident happened. Pls provide proof that passengers bodies were found, and I mean 'proof', not a comment from some unknown FBI source, thanx...

Yeah you gotta wonder, alright...Wonder if people can get past their conditioning and face the truth...

You can call us delusional all day long if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change for one second what really happened on 9-11.

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Originally posted by rocksarerocks

Just because you say there is no proof doesn't mean there isn't any. You can make 1000 threads here and until YOU provide prove otherwise, I'll go with the overwhelmingly HUGE amount of evidence stating that a 757 hit the building.

That does not logically work. Either there is proof to validate, or there is not. There are no gray subjective opinionated areas allowed with logical true or false.

As a rule, 99.9 percent of the time if John Lear supports something, you can bet your entire life savings on the fact that it is absolutely false.

That is a very blatant personal attack of no validation. That is not a valid or civil approach to effective communication. It is a deliberate deflection designed to force someone to defend him or herself. Rather than being able to correctly stay on topic.

Bodies? The only bodies we know of FOR SURE are the ones that were in the pentagoon when the incident happened. Pls provide proof that passengers bodies were found, and I mean 'proof', not a comment from some unknown FBI source, thanx...

Okay....

WASHINGTON — On Tuesday, Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams witnessed a combat zone for the first time in his 11 years of service. He never imagined it would be inside the Pentagon. One of the first recovery personnel to enter the crippled headquarters building after a hijacked Boeing 757 smashed into it, the urban search-and-rescue specialist found a gruesome sight. "If anyone has ever burned a pot roast, they'll know what the victims looked like," Williams, 30, said Thursday after another 12-hour shift of searching for 190 bodies — those of 126 missing Pentagon personnel and the 64 aboard the doomed jetliner.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

www.usatoday.com...

At the Pentagon, military medical examiners linked remains to 179 victims, including passengers aboard American Airlines Flight 77 and people working in the facility. Five people who perished at the Pentagon could not be matched to remains.

www.usatoday.com...

Not unnamed FBI sources.....

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Just because you say there is no proof doesn't mean there isn't any. You can make 1000 threads here and until YOU provide prove otherwise, I'll go with the overwhelmingly HUGE amount of evidence stating that a 757 hit the building.

It has nothing to do with who is saying it, there is NO proof a 757 hit the pentagoon, none.

I haven't made any threads actually, I'm just stating facts. Sry but opinions are not facts or proof. I have no proof a 757 didn't hit the pentagoon and I have never claimed to. You claim to have proof one did and that is simply not true. I am convinced from my personal experience that the damage to the pentagoon is not consistent with a huge Boeing 757 having hit it.
If it was and there was no doubt a 757 did hit the pentagoon then we wouldn't still be trying to get to the truth 6 yrs later.

As a rule, 99.9 percent of the time if John Lear supports something, you can bet your entire life savings on the fact that it is absolutely false.
But go ahead, back him up if you want to. Makes perfect sense.

Oh and who's rule would that be? Sry but I backed up John in that one instance simply because I agreed with his statement and wanted to add to the discussion. It would not have mattered if it was simple simon saying it, I would have agreed. Your opinion of him means nothing to me.

Any by the way, you have no idea what happened on 9/11. If you say you do, then provide undeniable proof and blow this whole thing wide open.
Thought so.

And by the way neither do you. If you have undeniable proof that a 757 did hit the pentagoon then you provide it, thanx. You know what thought did?

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Sry but one witness does not make proof. I need more than words that could easily be lies...what a thought eh?

You are trying to convince me that a statement that comes from the perpetrator on trial is except able as evidence? And you think that's proof?

[edit on 29/1/2008 by ANOK]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

www.usatoday.com...

Swampfox thanks for posting this info.

Let's think about this for a minute. Flight 77 was said by many sources on this thread to have virtually disintegrated, but yet this witness and investagator says he found passengers still strapped into their seats.

If we are under the premise that flight 77 flew at a high enough speed to penetrate 3 rings of the pentagon, wings and engines are but little pieces, 100,000 gallons of fuel hot enough to melt steel, and destroy a massive portion of the Pentagon, but yet they find bodies still strap into their seats?

Am I missing something here?

I see, so everyone who works for the US Government is guilty.


BTW, in the US, in a court of law, the statements of the accused ARE admissable as evidence.

reply to post by Realtruth


Therein lies the problem Realtruth. When most people hear disintegrated, they think it means it disintegrated into dust. Flight 77 did come apart into a few thousand (or hundred thousand) pieces, as evidenced by the photos showing airliner wreckage measured in square FEET. There are quite a few witness accounts talking about bodies, body parts, seats, parts of cabin flooring, etc in the Pentagon. Not that hard to believe that some bodies were found still strapped into seats.

not sure if this was posted yet.
it seems to show the tip of the alleged plane just before impact.
www.youtube.com...

I may be crazy but......THATS NOT A PLANE.....
a missle????

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
I see, so everyone who works for the US Government is guilty.
BTW, in the US, in a court of law, the statements of the accused ARE admissable as evidence.

C'mon you know that's not what I said.

Yes you can submit whatever you want for 'evidence', it doesn't make it proof and it doesn't mean it's going to make any difference to the cases outcome when you weigh it against all the other 'evidence', or lack of...

You put forward that statement as if you expect us to take it as fact, as if you think it's proof of something, it's not. However many silly childish comments you make about everyone being guilty because I don't see what they say as proof of anything won't change that fact. Even if I agreed that a plane hit the pentagon, there is still no 'proof' it did, it would only be my opinion.

Proof takes a lot more than just a few words, it takes logic that fits the events witnessed. As Realtruth said logic would tell me that no bodies were found still in seats when supposedly two massive turbo-fan engines disappeared in to a wall. You probably use the argument that the fire melted the plane away, well guess what? There would be NO bodies and NO seats in that situation. You can't have it both ways...

[edit on 29/1/2008 by ANOK]

C'mon you know that's not what I said.

Its not?

You are trying to convince me that a statement that comes from the perpetrator on trial is except able as evidence?

Perpetrator on trial....looks like you think he is guilty of a crime.....

Proof takes a lot more than just a few words, it takes logic that fits the events witnessed. As Realtruth said logic would tell me that no bodies were found still in seats when supposedly two massive turbo-fan engines disappeared in to a wall. You probably use the argument that the fire melted the plane away, well guess what? There would be NO bodies and NO seats in that situation. You can't have it both ways...

Logic has witnesses observing the jet as it approached and hit the Pentagon, logic has the recovery of wreckage of said jet at the crash site, logic has the finding of the bodies/remains of the people known to have boarded that jet....oh wait, we have all that.....

I would never argue that the "massive" turbo jet engines disappeared into a wall. I would point out that pieces of said engines were found AT the impact point and throughout the rest of the damaged area of the Pentagon. And no, I would never use the "fire melted the plane away", because that is patently untrue.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Perpetrator on trial....looks like you think he is guilty of a crime.....

I believe the US government is guilty of a crime, and not just 9-11.

Logic has witnesses observing the jet as it approached and hit the Pentagon.

I would never argue that the "massive" turbo jet engines disappeared into a wall...

LOL logic also had witnesses that refute the official flight path. Again you are choosing which witnesses to believe.
The plane parts found were just too convenient. Logic tells me more than one token engine part etc. would have been still in the wreckage. There is no proved link from the parts found and a 757, no serial numbers were matched AFAIK.

Sry but I don't believe enough pieces were found to make two massive turbo-fan engines, that should have been sitting somewhere in front of the pentagoon imo, seeing as they didn't penetrate into the building.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

Well, unless they've started attaching seats and boarding passengers on missiles, I'd say that was pretty conclusive evidence that an airplane crashed into the Pentagon. Anyone who ignores this evidence already has their mind set on what the outcome of an investigation would be.

EDIT: I was going to note this article in the National Geographic about some of their staff that died on the Pentagon flight, but yours is much much better.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

[edit on 30-1-2008 by dbates]

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
That is without a doubt the most ridiculous lie that a person could post in this thread, and big surprise where it came from.

Right in the face of direct proof, pictures, evidence, eyewitnesses etc, we get this.

You mean "official" direct proof, "official" pictures, "official" evidence, and "official" eyewitnesses........right?

"Officially" I see a hole that couldn't have been made by a plane.

Peace

reply to post by ANOK

"Proof takes a lot more than just a few words, it takes logic that fits the events witnessed."

Sry but I don't believe enough pieces were found to make two massive turbo-fan engines, that should have been sitting somewhere in front of the pentagoon imo, seeing as they didn't penetrate into the building.

Anok,

You might not like it, but your beliefs and opinions do not constitute logic, or evidence of anything either.

It's only your opinion that "two massive turbo-fan engines" should have been sitting somewhere in front of the "pentagoon".

It's my opinion, based on my understanding of the kinetic energy of a 7,000 lb jet engine travelling at 500 mph, that it would very easily breach an unreinforced natural stone and concrete wall.

It's only your belief that too few pieces of airplane wreckage were found.

Here is an indisputable fact....Niether you, nor I, know how much wreckage was found and identified.

Wouldn't you agree that its possible a very high percentage of the airframe was recovered, however for some reason this evidence has not been made public? Just because you haven't seen the pictures doesn't mean the pieces don't exist. I'm pretty sure there are somewhere around 5 billion people in the world but I've actually seen less than 1% of them.

You seem to be in the group that finds a conspiracy here. I'm in the group that thinks there's no compelling reason for the Govt to make this evidence public since the vast majority of Americans believe the official story of 9/11.

If there were a wide spread grassroots movement to throw politicians out of office or real legal action were brought and the govt still would not provide all this evidence, then I would definitely begin to see a much higher liklihood of a conspiracy and cover-up. For now I don't.

Originally posted by darkbluesky

It's my opinion, based on my understanding of the kinetic energy of a 7,000 lb jet engine travelling at 500 mph, that it would very easily breach an unreinforced natural stone and concrete wall.

It is not my intent to completely interupt any one-on-one discussion. However, I am curious as to the above. Could you please show us evidence of a breach with 757 engines on any wall of the Pentagon? Thank you in advance for any visual aid you are able to present.