Democrats Seek Iraq Withdrawal by End 2008!

Big news folks looks like they finally realized its only gonna get worse to they might as well leave asap.

WASHINGTON - After several weeks of internal wrangling, the Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives Thursday proposed legislation that, if enacted, would require all U.S. combat troops in Iraq to be withdrawn by Oct. 1, 2008.

The measure, which will take the form of an amendment to a pending 100- billion-dollar supplemental defence appropriations bill, also requires President George W. Bush to begin such a withdrawal as early as July of this year unless he certifies that the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is making progress toward achieving national reconciliation and ending sectarian violence there.

Congress has failed to realize the message of the Baker-Hamilton report, that only a political process is going to solve the problem. You can't keep voting billions and billions of dollars in additional funds for the same failed policy when you know that it has failed.

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I dont know about you but I cant wait to see this political mess come to an end!

So let's assume the Democrats are successful in forcing this issue and all the US troops leave Iraq by 2008 - what happens then?

1. Are all of the terrorists, militants, insurgents, freedom fighters or whatever you want to call them going to have a victory parade and then go home?
2. Are all of the countries in the Middle East going to start getting along and become friends?
3. Are the Iranians going to decide that since the US has left Iraq they no longer need a nuclear weapons (oops, I mean peaceful nuclear) program?
4. Are the Taliban and Al Qaida going to decide that the US has been sufficiently humbled so they no longer need to attack us?
5. In other words, is anything really going to change?

I would really like to hear what you think. I am willing to listen with an open mind.

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has anything really changed at all after all the security? maybe a little. all you need is a little brains and you can still cross the border with a load of tnt or 2 tons of weed.

its not hard to slip by security undetected.




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[edit on 13-3-2007 by 12m8keall2c]

By the END OF 2008, they even said it can go beyond 2009, that is TOO LONG! Thats more than a year from now!

They never actually said theyd bring them home too, they said they would "redeploy them out of Iraq", they most likely will be sent to Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan, which is theoretically where you should be anyways, because that is where Al Queda supposedly operates from.

This whole plan for pullout is nothing more than an attempt by the bought out democrats to appease the American people, and to shut you up. They know you dont want this war, they know you are getting wise to the fact that this whole war is a set up and has been justified by lies. So they give you this plan "oh we have a plan for pullout! By the end of next year!" Ooo yes! They have a plan finally! Democracy is finally working!

Ridiculous, this war should end right now, and all troops should be brought back HOME tomorrow. For anyone who knows anything about war, you know you cant keep troops on the ground for long periods of time, it just doesnt work. Especially if you keep redeploying and redeploying them over and over, without a real mission or game plan, its stupid. It is a perfect way to lose a war, and that is exactly what we are seeing. And then the troops are brought home with severe mental problems from the trauma, and horrific injuries, and they are given inadequate care, only noticed 4 years into it, yea right.

Bring them home, solve the problems in Iraq with diplomatic means, that is not "negotiating with the enemy" thats nonsense, and for god sakes, end this madness already.



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Are praying for a loss in Iraq or they would lose elections for the next 20 years

Well, firstly,I think that another year will be ample amount of time to accomplish what we felt like we needed to. There is going to have to come a point in time where we say, "Okay, we have trained your policeman and soldiers. Now Iraq, you must attempt to stand on your own two feet." Now, it needs to be understood that most likely there will be U.S forces in Iraq. Probably something akin to what we have in South Korea..

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Originally posted by powerbomb1123
Are praying for a loss in Iraq or they would lose elections for the next 20 years

aside from the fact that it's just political mudslinging that you're doing there

a LOSS in iraq?
there's no way to measure success or victory at this point.

Originally posted by itguysrule
So let's assume the Democrats are successful in forcing this issue and all the US troops leave Iraq by 2008 - what happens then?

1. Are all of the terrorists, militants, insurgents, freedom fighters or whatever you want to call them going to have a victory parade and then go home?

A: Yep, the consquences of this illegial war created for profits by the Bush admin is going to affect the world for decades to come... Still think it was the fight that 'had' to happen?

2. Are all of the countries in the Middle East going to start getting along and become friends?

A: nope, especially when Saudi and Iran are using Iraq as a battlefield...
Especially when anti-american/israeli sentiment is increasing daily due to the deaths of muslims.... if we ever had a chance at ME relations.. its long gone now.

3. Are the Iranians going to decide that since the US has left Iraq they no longer need a nuclear weapons (oops, I mean peaceful nuclear) program?

A: Probably not, but it is there right to research, and we dont have proof they are building weapons.. and plus.. if your next door neighbour was robbed, kicked out of their home.. while u watched from over the fence as they built up weapons in the backyard.. wouldnt you start thinking of defensive weapons?

4. Are the Taliban and Al Qaida going to decide that the US has been sufficiently humbled so they no longer need to attack us?

A: Nope, thankfull though, we put all our efforts into Iraq, allowing alqaeda/taliban to rebuild in Afghanistan... ahh plus we also created thousands more battle hardnede terrorists in Iraq tooo...

5. In other words, is anything really going to change?

If we pull out?
Yeah... troops wont be dying, the economy wont be draining.


Basically, going into Iraq was a bad idea, and doomed from the start.
Who honestly believed the ME would allow the USA to invade, occupy, setup base then leave succesfully having setup 'another' israel?

Especially when leaders of this invading army are making BILLIONS of dollars from this war, which is supposidly 'all about the iraqis'

We have to accept that no matter what we do, we are screwed now.
We cant stay because we can never build Iraq to what we want.
If we leave, civil war will erupt.. yes that is true.. but thats not the peoples fault, ( US )
Its the US governments fault.
They created this emptyness in Iraq for revenge to take place.
the Iraq civil war may of been fought and fueld by Iraqi factions,
but it was kicked off by the US.

Time to accept the reality of the mistake.
Thousands more are going to die because of the actions of the US government..... dont blame the dems, blame bush and his cronnies.

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