Why the scientific community totally ignores UFO/Aliens

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
It is not just the American government that is keep a tight lid on this subject! What about the other 200+ countries worldwide? Why are they not revealing anything?

I believe the belgian and mexican governments have given some information out but they are the exception to the rule!

I remember reading somewhere that between the Indian and Chinesse border people constantly see ufos entering and leaving through the mountains and both governments have small elite forces there to keep people out!

I will try to find the source and paste it here. You see the rabbit hole is much more deep than most people think!

This is why I am singling out the American Government:

The USA is the most technologically advanced civilization on the planet, and it's government is behind the orchestration of the cover-up. Perhaps all the world leaders know the truth - perhaps only a few - or just a small select few.

I don't have any proof - but psychological warfare seems to be at play. They let out informational secrets that could be true, plant evidence inside the conspiracies to make it look like garbage and many other world governments follow the lead. Perhaps Mexico and Belgium are tired of the charade?
Since there are so many Mexican Citizens coming to the USA, imagine if the USA put some sanctions on that country? Chaos. As for Belgium - I don't know. It could be an initiative for disclosure or even a test to see who believes what. What is strange about Belgium - when was the last time you heard about them chasing UFOs or disclosing information about UFOs? Its been a pretty long time, and their government is very, very silent.

Kroms33

My point is that it is a WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY and yes USA is probably the most technologicaly advanced nation but that is immaterial. Any country could release information without fear of reprisal from USA especially america's foes such russia, north korea, iran, cuba, syria and they would score big points in humiliating secrecy!

The fact they don't proves it is indeed a worldwide conspiracy to hide the truth. Perhaps the main reason for non-disclosure is that most governments have accepted the notion that humanity is not ready for something like this.

Besides the fear factor associated with the "unknown and perhaps evil" phenomenom, oil companies and OPEC nations can and definetely do benefit from nondisclosure, as does the military industrial complex.

If people started flying in ufos then we would no longer need ships, airplanes, cars and trains. Doesn't this spell disaster for every major industrial company worldwide?!?!?!

Not to mention that "they" probably still have a long way to go in their research of free energy. You can't develop/manufacture something you don't fully understand!

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
My point is that it is a WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY and yes USA is probably the most technologicaly advanced nation but that is immaterial. Any country could release information without fear of reprisal from USA especially america's foes such russia, north korea, iran, cuba, syria and they would score big points in humiliating secrecy!

Well, check this article about the French space agency opening its doors to UFO investigations - which was supposed to happen a while back, and nothing came of it (which is strange... isn't it?)
www.ufoevidence.org...

The fact they don't proves it is indeed a worldwide conspiracy to hide the truth. Perhaps the main reason for non-disclosure is that most governments have accepted the notion that humanity is not ready for something like this.

I am in 100% agreement - it is a worldwide conspiracy/cover-up... but I think the USA is behind that.

Besides the fear factor associated with the "unknown and perhaps evil" phenomenom, oil companies and OPEC nations can and definetely do benefit from nondisclosure, as does the military industrial complex.

Nor does the world economy. Stock markets would crash.

If people started flying in ufos then we would no longer need ships, airplanes, cars and trains. Doesn't this spell disaster for every major industrial company worldwide?!?!?!

Not to mention that "they" probably still have a long way to go in their research of free energy. You can't develop/manufacture something you don't fully understand!

Right, but I do think that some of the technology has been deciphered.
I know for a fact that the technology that the US government has is WELL beyond what many other countries have. I don't think the government has been willing to pull that card yet because they haven't had the need to.

If lets say we went to a full scale war with perhaps China or Russia - and things were looking bleak - nukes would be used first before resorting to using anything that would give away the technologically advanced status of the United States. I am not saying all this technology that we have acquired is of alien origin - but the level of technology that exists is way beyond any other country.

My opinion - people who have family or friends in the military - ask them if they have seen weird things - some will say yes, others may not have and yet others may be more reluctant to talk about such things.
I am not going to say much on this subject - I really should keep my mouth shut... but ask your friends and family who have served...

I think you are partially right! I would not be suprised if Russia, China, India, France and the UK don't have equally strong black project programs currently in service!

Especially China. Given their level of government secrecy and 10+ annual growth rate I would be extremely suprised if they were behind!

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
I think you are partially right! I would not be suprised if Russia, China, India, France and the UK don't have equally strong black project programs currently in service!

Especially China. Given their level of government secrecy and 10+ annual growth rate I would be extremely suprised if they were behind!

Oh yeah, I am sure that each country has their own black projects dealing with this matter - perhaps even out of the USA's sight.
My thing is it could be like the nuclear program. Each of these countries has them - each country agreed not to make more - but yet, no one knows what goes on behind the super secret closed door.

The USA perhaps would like to think it is in control of the 'program' but I think other countries are getting a little miffed about how much control that the USA has... and perhaps this is why every once in a while (like France), you will have a country come forward and say "Hey, look at this!" and people will look and then the story just diminishes over time as if nothing happened.

Originally posted by kroms33

Oh yeah, I am sure that each country has their own black projects dealing with this matter - perhaps even out of the USA's sight.
My thing is it could be like the nuclear program. Each of these countries has them - each country agreed not to make more - but yet, no one knows what goes on behind the super secret closed door.

The USA perhaps would like to think it is in control of the 'program' but I think other countries are getting a little miffed about how much control that the USA has... and perhaps this is why every once in a while (like France), you will have a country come forward and say "Hey, look at this!" and people will look and then the story just diminishes over time as if nothing happened.

Exactly, its in everybody's interest to keep the lid on until things change...and we will probably be here for years debating the same stuff over and over with little to show for it!

See ya later and thanks for the debate!

Originally posted by kroms33
Yup, and what is even stranger - in my opinion is that the citizens of the USA know that their officials constantly lie to them, government corruption has become the norm - and perhaps will never change. Why haven't the American people stood up to all of this corruption with mass protests - people taking to the streets and screaming for change? Because, on a broader scale - the American public is also divided... Oil companies keep making record profits, gas prices continue to climb, but yet - here we all sit - taking whatever is handed out to us.
All of the above is pretty much proven on the corruption of the government - now what about UFOs?
I think right now, with all that is going on in the world, that IF the government came forward and said "Yeah, we have recovered flying saucers and their occupants" that it would be the doom of the USA.
Kroms33

Very well said, the sheer scale of the coverup is staggering, because this will pretty much be the worry of all the Nuclear Governments around the world who are aware about the reality of extraterrestrials.

The Indian Government is no exception, and it has the same very real fears that the other Nucear powers have.
So they have also agreed to the the coverup tactics, hook line and sinker.

The Indian population is already frustrated with what it sees to be the inability of the corrupt officials to root out corruption.
On top of that, if it becomes known that the Indian govt. has witheld so much about the reality of Aliens and UFO's from the public, the ruling party that runs the country will be thrown out.
And we all know, how much politicians love and lust for Power.
Its the same in any country.

The same way the strong-arm tactics are employed in the US to control the Media, the same goes on in my country.
I dont see any coverage about UFO's in Indian media at all.
No news reports, no articles in the papers.
And if there are, the are instantly dismissed, the same old 'little green men ha-ha-ha' syndrome in action.

In fact, at least a few courageous American whistleblowers have came forward in public , but in India, not a single one.
So that gives you an idea of just how pathetic the situation is here, and of course the Indian Millitary dosent mind that at all.
Do you know what the annual Millitary budget for India is?
its Rs. 96,000 CRORES.
(1 crore is 10 Million)

Go figure.

Hi SocialistAgenda,
oh yes you are correct .
In fact, both India and China know about an Underground UFO Base on the Himalayan borders.
Supposedly the double thick earth-crust allows the creation of underground bases very deep into the tectonic plates.
How convenient !

According to locals on both sides of the border,this is where the UFOs are seen coming out of the ground.
According to many, the UFO underground bases are in this region and both the Indian and Chinese Government know this very well.

Hindu pilgrims on their way to Mount Kailash have seen strange lighted triangular silent crafts that show up from underground and moves almost vertically up.

Check out this article for more info:
www.indiadaily.com...

@ kroms33 and SocialistAgenda

Oh yes it is a worldwide conspiracy, no doubt about it, and America pretty much makes and enforces the rules.

Let me quote some parts of the article published on indiadaily.com to make my point.

New Delhi is in the middle of a big secret internal debate. On one side the largest democracy of the world is eager to explain to its citizens and to the world about the ongoing contacts with the UFOs and extra-terrestrials.

On the other hand there are invisible untold international protocols that prohibit doing anything that may cause worldwide fear and panic.

It is well accepted between the UFO and extra-terrestrial experts that all the five nuclear powers are in contact with the beings from other stars for quite some time.

Military officials and politicians have confessed the fact that India has been contacted. India has been told the rules of the Universe.

When all these factors are added together and analyzed, it seems like India is being told by the world to abide by the hidden protocols and in exchange be recognized as a major emerging superpower.

Full article here:
www.indiadaily.com...

Originally posted by fooffstarr
This forum is a good example of why scientists shy away from the topic.

Look at the front page of the UFO forum... the majority of it's threads are based on no evidence, and the ones that do have a photo / video are usually either debunked or too unclear to ascertain what the photo or video is actually of.

Also, using the same comparison, a vast number of the topics that come in and one of the front page are, to the average person, confronting, strange, unbelievable and sometimes plain crazy.

Why would a scientist, with a stable income, want to risk it to help a pseudo-science that has little to no physical evidence, more hoaxes or misidentifications than true UFOs and a sizable population of eccentric individuals?

Finally, someone who can see it my way.

The topic of UFOs/Aliens is just so full of crap by various people. Theres just too many lies because people want to make money by writing book after book. And the thing is, these usually don't have any scientific evidence but rather evidence based off of means such as 'astral projections' and what not.

If you can believe that kind of crap, then you might as well become a sorceror or a wizard and fling some magic, or bust a dragon out of your hat, because thats how crazy it is.

Now I do believe aliens are real. It's stupid to think otherwise. But to think that we're actually being visited is another story. Grant it, there are things in history which cannot be explained, but it doesn't mean it has anything to do aliens. If it did, then they wouldn't be unexplained

It really is the same as saying the reason why we have air is because of magic.

'The reason why we are being visited is because Bush is an anthrolizard who has a stargate underneath the statue of liberty because he wants babies.'

No proof or evidence. Just a statement. Or rather, if you want proof, just go outside and record a bird flying, and then use a low-res / quality codec to resample it so that you have no idea what the hell you are looking at.

[edit on 10-3-2007 by CidCaldensfey]

Curiously, I'm interested in the current swing by officials from there's nothing to it, to "we did it".

I've heard several officials in contemplation of their stance state that observable phenomenon was done by them, in jest. Total contradiction to "Blue Book".

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Badge01
We have only two creditable cases in all of UFO/ET history.
I know of no other cases that have credible evidence. (that we know of)
They're all just 'stories', though many are mysterious and compelling.

Right, so what about Rendleshem Forest where multiple army personnel witnessed the same lights, recorded marks on the ground and saw broken tree branches from where the UFO flew off?

Right, so what about the Valentich abduction where his final moments were recorded on tape telling Melbourne Flight Services that something metallic was on top of him? Corroborated by shore witnesses that saw the green light circling over his his Cessna?

Right, so what about the UFO hovering over the ground at White Acres in Victoria that left ground traces and emptied a full tank of water?

Even if you dismiss all other cases and you are only left with Lonnie Zamora - why would a trained police officer report something other than what he saw, when the evidence also backs up his story???

In another previous thread, you wanted evidence about UFOs. YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE. You choose not to believe it. Remember, Lonnie Zamora probably had the justifiable right to kill in his position as a lawman. He probably also had the power to bear extremely influential eyewitness testimony against criminals in court. The case has physical evidence to support his claim - what's not to believe??? If he's not one of the most reliable UFO witnesses EVER, then who is?

Whoa, hold on there Parder, I -never- said I didn't believe it.

I've been interested in the UFO/alien thing for longer than you've been alive, LOL.

On the Rendlesham Forest sightings - I think that was a US Army/British joint operation to test the troops' response to 'Programming' and possibly mind-altering drugs or techniques.

One thing that clued me in on it was the tape recorded by the base security officer and by the 'false sounding' reception he got when reporting it to his superiors.

Did you know there was a plan by the Israelis to use holographic projectors to destabilize the Egyptian forces in the 7-day war? They were going to project religious images and things designed to freak them out, using a projector and fog and other things.

There are probably a couple other 'high strangeness' events worth looking at, but generally the ones worth looking at are the Base Incursions, where there are simultaneous radar traces and visual sightings, like at White Sands.

Again, these are 'high strangeness' events, but we don't know what they were and there isn't exactly anything to specifically tie them to the ET hypothesis.

One of the reasons I posted that the Zamora case and the other was to provide a starting point for other posters to give their credible cases.

So keep researching, but be skeptical.

Originally posted by Badge01
On the Rendlesham Forest sightings - I think that was a US Army/British joint operation to test the troops' response to 'Programming' and possibly mind-altering drugs or techniques.

Did you know there was a plan by the Israelis to use holographic projectors to destabilize the Egyptian forces in the 7-day war? They were going to project religious images and things designed to freak them out, using a projector and fog and other things.

Right... so holographic projections also bend and break tree twigs as they shoot up into they sky?

Please, at least make a story that somehow fits with the physical trace evidence of the event.

Originally posted by CidCaldensfey
Now I do believe aliens are real. It's stupid to think otherwise. But to think that we're actually being visited is another story. Grant it, there are things in history which cannot be explained, but it doesn't mean it has anything to do aliens. If it did, then they wouldn't be unexplained

So what you are saying is,if you DONT believe in aliens, you are stupid.

But if you believe aliens have visited Earth, then again you are stupid??

i mean, whats that all about?

It's kind of a hypocritical subject if you think about it.

You're rational if you believe in the possibility of alien life due to the vastness of the universe, but you're not if you believe that just One of them has the technology to get here? That's fighting the odds if you ask me.

We humans have seen a VERY exponential rate of technological delevopment since we harnessed electricity. Since electricity has only been around for... well, I don't actually know how long, but let's say 150 years, then what's to say that no other form of life has gotten way longer than us?

We can't even predict where technology will take us in a mere 20 years, so why do you (who don't believe they're already here) say that it's irrational when you don't even take into the calculation that at least one of 'em could have better technology than us?

[edit on 12-3-2007 by Drexon]

Originally posted by Postal76
No offense, but that doesn't make a bit of sense. If the scientific community simply ignored everything it didn't understand, then we wouldn't EVER make new discoveries, develop new theories, or produce new technology, save by accident. Simply ridiculous.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The evidence for UFOs is usually flimsy, secondhand, and unverifiable. THIS is why the scientific community ignores UFOs and aliens.

You last comment crack me up.

The evidence for UFOs is usually flimsy, secondhand, and unverifiable.

there is hundreds of witnesses that came out and are ready to go in front of a court to disclose ET experiences, and you call that second hand evidence? God, some pilots had a craft 3-5 times larger than their own plane just at the tip of their nose...what else do you need?

if anything, I think it will be the chinese and india governments that do a full disclosure. Maybe the russions, since they've already declassified some video of a cigar shaped UFO that out flew their own jets.

U.S. government will never come clean. Not while they're being controlled by the illuminati anyway. The illuminati don't have control over china and india, who are becoming some major super powers IMO.