Purpose of some threads

I wonder if people actually believe some of the things they post about on here. Virtual Reality universe, etc.

A lot of this stuff is totally out in left field.

I think some people just throw things out to be completely off the wall, or to get a rise out of others...

Maybe I've posted this in the wrong place, but we'll see.

there's been a large increase in the number of truly off the wall stories here and I am actually surprised that the mods haven't been a bit more strict with the allowance of some of the crap people are claiming.

Sure, people are entitled to their beleifs but the alien pool playing porno scenario is a total joke and the tales of time travelling with future selves is just outlandish.

what I find even more insane is the attention these people get. It looks like there are groups of people who sign up, post these what if scenarios, then another member comes forward with his or her story and then there are a few people who keep this crap going for as long as they can. It's serpo-esque in the method but at least with serpo those clowns tried to prove their stories. these are just sci-fi stories, and crappy ones at that, and if you call their bluff they simply attack you for not believing and tell you to go elsewhere with your close minded disbelief.

I'm sorry but outlandish tales require a bit of evidence in my mind. so no, god didn't predict the china market crash, sleeper didn't screw an alien hottie and timedrifter didn't hang brain with his future self and unless they can provide even one ounce of evidence I think they, and the others that tag along should be sent to the sci-fi section to rework their pisspoor story telling.

I suppose it depends... There's a difference between theorizing and believing. Some good can come from testing a theory on ATS. Let ATS members play with an idea, and come to a conclusion: Yes, it is actually possible or no way, that's just plain crazy talk.

Then there's something you present as a truth, which you actually believe... Like Crakeur's kinky alien example above, or even crazier stuff like Scientology. ( ) Do the posters actually believe what they're posting or are they just looking for naive people? And how do you tell which is which? Good question indeed. Personally I believe everything I post. But then again, I've never posted about my time with a reptilian alien in the hot tub... The reptilian was a ghost from the future BTW...

A nice golden rule to live by: Don't believe everything you think...

Originally posted by Gemwolf
Personally I believe everything I post. But then again, I've never posted about my time with a reptilian alien in the hot tub... The reptilian was a ghost from the future BTW...

A nice golden rule to live by: Don't believe everything you think...

Also don't count your chickens until the sleeping dog lies in the bed you've made. . .

As far as your rezendevous with the reptilian- As long as you both were consenting adult entities then it doesn't matter if the reptilian was a ghost, or from the future for that matter. No laws have been broken.

I think there is obviously a strain of thread starter on ATS that will throw anything out there that they can get their hands on. To them it doesn't matter whether they believe it or not. It doesn't matter to them whether its even true or not. Most of these individuals after a short period of time are very identifiable, and I usually try to avoid reading their material. As I'm sure most of you do also. BUT-

I also find myself falling into the trap of still reading parts of new threads to see what dubious claims said individuals are making now! DAMN!

So to some extent I am still condoning their behavior by not being able to cage my natural inquisitive instincts, think about the source & their history, and walk away from the thread. It just pisses me off sometimes when I realize I have just wasted another 15 or 20 minutes of my life listening to someone I have already identified as know charlatan!

Does this happen to any of you?

Originally posted by 2PacSade
. It just pisses me off sometimes when I realize I have just wasted another 15 or 20 minutes of my life listening to someone I have already identified as know charlatan!

Does this happen to any of you?

I find myself reading the threads as a result of their size and rapid posting and after reading of these claims I am unable to control myself and I post my complete disbelief and then I wind up angry with myself for even bothering to post in the first place.

what is more annoying to me, and I think I mentioned it above, is that the bulk of these threads are started by one member with innocent questions meant to lure people into the conversation and then the storyteller emerges.

thread: what would you ask a time traveller?
responses made.
discussion and arguments come into play
OP says something like "well, I wanted to put this out there in case there was a time traveller who was reading this and wanted to answer our questions"
out of thin air appears .....wait for it....A TIME TRAVELLER!!!


perfect example.

some of the other annoying threads just seem to be deranged or delusional people looking to either prove to themselves they are experiencing what they want to experience (note: when you wake up with the word "HI" on your inner thigh, roll over and smack your husband for writing on you.) or are simply unwilling to face reality or, as I expect the bulk of these threads to be, people trying to see if they can fool the members and gain a bit of fame here.

I mean, seriously, imagine if you were sitting here thinking "look at all these clowns trying to mimick my titor hoax" You'd feel pretty damned good about yourself.


My birthday resolution is going to be a concerted effort to not bother with people who claim to speak to god so they can post his word on a message board, ignore threads that are clearly meant to sell books or steal from lame sci-fi and never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Well put Crakeur. I'm glad I'm not the only one. The sheer anonymity of a site like this will invite all types of fraud and hoaxes. AND- There's probably no way to totally thwart it because sneaky individuals will always find a new approach that there is no contingency for. My grandfather used to tell me;

"Locks are for honest people".

Too bad this site doesn't have an award that can be handed out to individuals when they present a thread that eventually gets shredded & exposed as being totally ridiculous, and that they just posted it without any prior research into it's credibility!

We could call it WABS

The Way Above B.S. award!

This way it would be instantaneously obvious by looking at the number of WABS votes they have right under their avatar.

2PacSade-

perhaps a simple flag

Stupid Hoax In Thread award?

I'll let you put the caps together.

it is fun reading though like a new book every couple of hours.....that you can complain to the author about

I'm pretty sure there have been many threads discussing the many seemingly fictional threads. I've never posted my opinion before, but I'll have a go.

I do believe that there should be a seperate section for outlandish claims without evidence. Most of ATS is about rational discussion, opinions, theories, points of view, facts, connecting the pieces of the puzzle, and, what generally amounts to an enlightening experience. However, in the same forum in which JRitzman does some amazing investigative work, we also hear stories about people treating aliens like warm apple pie.

Now I stay away from many threads because of this. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me... fool me... can't get fooled again.

The extreme anonymity in these cases is also annoying. Hell, I'll send you links to my myspace if I'm asked. I only remain semi hidden because it's the nature of this board; on most boards I've got pics of me in the avatar and sig.
I was going to change my avatar here to me with Kevin Smith after my paranoia wore off, but the South Park "greys" have grown on me.

The aliens and UFO's section has basically turned into a science fiction forum.

If you post a thread documenting a case or event it gets no replies. But if you bring up something outlandish it gets pages and pages.

Beware the people without avatars.

Just dont reply to their topics and let it die off, dont give it any attention, reply-ing
to topics you deem "ridiculous" will only ensure more ppl will notice it etc.

Just dont reply to them, thats really the only way, i suppose you could
suggest that moderators close "ridiculous" topics but, then again, there are
people who strongly oppose and think 9/11 "theories" are ridiculous for example,
would they also not meet the "ridiculous so -> close" criteria?

I say just leave them open and dont reply to it, it will fade away in no time...

at what point do the mods finally say they have had enough?

that ridiculous thread with what appears to be either one person posting as three people or two or three people working together to continue their moronic story, there has now been a claim that can be verified by simply asking Mel Gibson. sure, let me get on that because Mel is so accessible.

I guess it is fair to say I am the messiah, just ask the pope and he will confirm this. What? You can't access the pope? Well, I offered proof and you didn't follow up on it by doing research so it's true and you failed to prove otherwise.


I truly feel that the amount of attention some of these threads garner manages to diminish the overall view of the site. If someone comes here with a real story or is looking to find real research and they see that the biggest, most viewed threads are those of elvis and jesus at a slayer concert or alien bimbos or mel gibson time travelling, they might run and hide. These threads sully the good name of ATS to some degree and they are being used to promote the author's agenda which is it seems is ebooks of some sort.

I first want to say that I've not been a member of ATS for long. It didn't take long, however, before I was visiting ATS for updates on all topics on just about a daily basis.

I have always try to respect other posters, and hope this is reflected in my posts. I connect in one way or another with everyone I interact with here, and it makes me feel good that people care for each other here; that there's a community.

It can be a scary f'ng world out there with what is going on, and to see that people see the same thing is comforting.

And without a doubt I respect and support wholeheartedly what ATS is doing. Seriously. There are people who troll ATS, who disrespect other posters, or who simply drag down what should be a positive and enlightening exchange of information.

I created the post that Crakeur is referring to, which was called, ""If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?"

I originally created the post in the Alien & UFOs section, and a moderator moved it to the Skunk Works section. Perfectly understandable.

I posted it because someone that I met on the ATS boards described an abduction experience, during which he was given access to a time portal and traveled to our distant, and not so distant past and future.

I was initially skeptical about his story, but after talking with him now for four months I truly believe he is sincere, and these things did happen to him.

Crakeur made up a quote here that I just read and attributed that quote to me in error. He said,

OP says something like "well, I wanted to put this out there in case there was a time traveller who was reading this and wanted to answer our questions"

I stated in my initial post on that thread the following,

I am going to forward your questions to a friend of mine, who I suspect will answer as many as he can get to.

I also said,

(If you want to know more, please read my last post on "How can someone prove to you they time traveled?" bottom pg 10).

In this previous post I describe how I met this friend, and briefly described his experiences.

I want to tell all of you that hoaxers and frauds frustrate the hell out of me. And I know they frustrate everyone else. Those kinds of posts are purposeless, absolutely purposeless. They are a waste of time, period.

I am crystal clear on this, and I am telling you from the heart that this story I am presenting with the poster, timedrifter, is not a hoax. He is serious and sincere about his experiences, despite his being a "personality". He grew up in New York. Crakeur might know something about New Yorkers - well, this guy's one of them.

When I talked to timedrifter initially, I thought to myself, "This guy's a regular, down-to-earth, hard drinking, no BS New Yorker." And he's talking about aliens. There was something right off the bat that drew me to his story though. And after getting to know him, the more we talked, the more he just seemed authentic.

What he has said, and what I have been supporting him in, is the god's honest truth. If anyone can prove this to be a hoax I will not only accept being banned from ATS, but I will never post on the subject of time travel again.

I am dead serious about this. This guy is a father of three wonderful kids, has a terrific wife, good, loving parents and siblings, and has a huge heart. He is not selling a book, and he's not making a play for attention. Honestly, if he were he would be on this site more posting about the wonders of his experiences (I use the word "wonders" somewhat facetiously).

He is frankly angry about the condition of our race right now; specifically with regard to the United States government, and more so with a minority he says is calling the shots from behind the scenes who he calls the "controllers".

He is a very forthright and straight-spoken individual. He just happens to have a story that, as I got more and more details, was obviously way, way too far out to believe.

His story also closely resembles sleeper's story (also on ATS, and in a blog posted for free), and the stories of other abductees. He has also had confirmation from individuals I would consider credible abductees about events that he sees as coming to pass. I have done enough research on this gentleman that I am convinced of his story.

I completely understand where Crakeur is coming from. I am not here to target Crakeur. But I want him and everyone else to know, because he's decided to use my post as an example here, that TD is dead serious about his story. And I have come to find him to be nothing but honest and sincere.

I don't care that Crakuer has misinterpreted what he's skimmed from my post, and used to misquote me. I don't have any personal stake in TD's story, or in anything I post here.

I want to be as fair as possible; and I want to get information posted on ATS that I think is important for others to see. But I have no personal stake here.

I continue to post in the thread I created, that Crakeur referenced, because TD is telling the truth. And I feel I have a responsibility not to sit back and allow people to disparage him, or anyone else posting here. Forget TD, it's hard to sit back and see people broken down, insulted, and even driven to tears.

We're on a public message board, but we're posting anonymously for Ch**st's sake! Can't people even anonymously be kind to another human being? There are no repercussions for being nice here, except that you've made another human being feel good about themselves, instead of feeling worthless.

I respect ever person on this thread, and on ATS who shows the same courtesy for another human being. If you decide not to, there is no turning the other cheek here.

The thread I created is very true, and very real. If I found it to be otherwise I would request the admins close it down. And if anyone else found the same I would expect nothing less.

I'm glad that the admins have not shut it down. It says something about ATS and those working on ATS's behalf. That people are still allowed to speculate and engage in discussions despite differing beliefs on a subject. And to do so in a respectful atmosphere.

Just wanted to clear that up.

OnTheDeck I used your thread as an example and I wasn't attempting to directly quote you, I was merely giving an example of the type of entry into the topic. The method you used has been used several times of late and they all seem to wind up with a sudden entry of a new member who has the experience that is being discussed "hypothetically" in the thread.

I will point out yet again that there are amazingly large issues in the story that you are defending and there are factual errors that anyone with the internet would avoid and someone from NYC area would never, ever make.

Since you were probably not around for such wonderful threads as the Serpo one, I strongly suggest you read it and you will see that even a minor error or lie can bring down a well thought out, well planned and far better "documented" story. In the case of Serpo, the need to post more b.s. resulted in a very small oversight into the number of people who travelled and lived. The fuzzy math screwed the story. Little errors, such as taking a few women on a ten year trip and not packing tampons, can poke a tiny hole in a much greater story. Those holes tend to grow without an explanation.

Your friend's trip to an IRS office in Montauk that doesn't exist was a small mistake. He furthered his error by not providing me with an address and then opened the hole even further by saying that he took exit 52 to get to montauk which is 19 exits from the exit one would take to get to Montauk and his trip would add an extra hour or two to the travel time and makes even less sense.

I understand your desire to further his story and help him "get the word out" but a lie is a lie is a lie and one lie in a story opens the whole story up for inspection. Providing Mel Gibson, his mother and Paris Hilton is a joke as they are either impossible to get ahold of or they are not exatcly unbiased.

When this so called Slayer concert takes place, take me with you as I want to meet Jesus, I want to punch Hitler in the face and I want to talk to my friends who died on 9/11. I also want to find out why all the various conspiracy theories on this site seem to all be tied to your friend. If that can't be arranged, tell you pal to visit my future self and send me back to talk to myself so I can corroborate your story. I swear on my family's life, if you can prove this to be true by producing evidence that an outsider can accept (not friends and family) that I will stand hand in hand with hitler and jesus and rock out to the noise of Slayer.

I understand your reasoning, but it's flawed. To say that TD's hasty offering of his recollection (obviously to his detriment) of the exit number has put his story, inexplicably, in jeopardy with you.

I think you're being too stubborn in this respect, but that's my opinion and it goes without saying that your opinion is equally valid. If that and the witness issue is a stalemate for you that's perfectly fine.

TD has his friends, family, coworkers, the NYPD, musicians, and yes Paris Hilton and Mel Gibson. These are all human beings you realize. The fact that he has met Paris Hilton is not a fact that stretches the imagination. However, I understand that the fact that he mentions Jesus appearing at a Slayer concert is. I'm right there with ya.

You said,

The method you used has been used several times of late...

There wasn't a method here. Yes, I felt that asking questions was an effective way of getting people to discuss a topic without it devolving into an exchange of personal insults. This lead to a lot of constructive back and forth. I thought it was a novel idea, and it worked.

The moment that someone starts a post saying "such and such" happened, people start asking for proof and flaming the OP. It's frustrating that we're on a conspiracy/paranormal/ufo message board, and yet people are still unconfortable even talking about these things.

Few want to entertain the notion that there is a reality beyond the one they experience going to work day to day. A lot of people become emotional about this stuff - and all we're doing is talking. It should be completely harmless, but there is often a terrific aversion to this at times.

However, I understand when you've seen one, you've seen them all. I'm with you on that. And everyone who is angered by frauds such as Serpo. I did some reading on that, and as much as I had hoped that was a real revelation it was a dissapointment.

I understand, to some degree, where you are coming from with the following statements,

Your friend's trip to an IRS office in Montauk that doesn't exist was a small mistake. He furthered his error by not providing me with an address and then opened the hole even further by saying that he took exit 52 to get to montauk which is 19 exits from the exit one would take to get to Montauk...

Let me again say that TD offered up what he recalled was the exit. But how fallible is human memory? He was recalling a highway exit from several years ago. This was clear.

And does an inaccurate recollection in itself constitute proof that there does not exist anywhere at Montauk and I.R.S. facility? It's a stretch to think that his statement equates to the absence of a facility. This deserves further research, because I know he's being honest.

You said,

I understand your desire to further his story and help him "get the word out" but a lie is a lie is a lie and one lie in a story opens the whole story up for inspection.

Yes, if you perceive that there are lies involved, one of the things you can do is dig deeper into the story. Dig! I say dig! He says dig! He's questioning a lot of this stuff himself. He wants to get to the bottom of it! I am totally serious here.

He has been really free flowing with his accounts in phone conversations that I am recording with him. This is not scripted, and he is not making up an entire lifetime of events. This is in part why I feel there is an authenticity to his story. But I don't want to spend time here explaining why I feel he's credible.

It's very ironic that here is an individual that I find has had very credible experiences, but part of them involves exactly what you've pointed out, Jesus at a Slayer concert, Mel Gibson time traveling with him to the time of Jesus. I know. But despite that, I am still on board. Strange? Hell yes! LOL

You said,

When this so called Slayer concert takes place, take me with you as I want to meet Jesus, I want to punch Hitler in the face and I want to talk to my friends who died on 9/11.

Crakeur, your posts have been hard to deal with at times because of your approach. Believe me when I say I hold the same contempt for people who mislead, or otherwise take advantage of people. I got no love for that stuff.

However, I recognize that you are being sincere. And as a person who has had a lot to deal with in their life, and recognized the same in others, I would not turn my back on you after your statements here.

I am sorry for your loss of September 11. I can't express the rage I've felt when it was suggested that our government knew more then they were telling, and were perhaps involved. And with the recent release of this BBC news footage, and now Obama's anti-Iranian talk I know I'm fed up with the whole thing. All of it.

I'm outraged, ashamed, hurt for what I know is happening in Iraq on our behalf, and feel helpless at the same time. I want it to stop. And I'm not buying into this "crazy" story, because I need something to hang onto. Believe me, I am very motivated by what TD - and others - see happening in our immediate future; but I am on board because I believe he is being honest and sincere, and he just so happens to have the evidence to back it up.

Also, I would like to get in line behind you to punch Hitler.
You said,

I also want to find out why all the various conspiracy theories on this site seem to all be tied to your friend.

Not all of them. Believe me. When I started hearing more and more of his story, I was thinking the same thing. As time when on, I was almost ignoring the phsyical witnessed events and thinking to myself, "Too many prevailing theories here. Too many links to so many other theories."

Look, Crakeur, on its face, this story is such a stinking lousy fraud that you can only laugh at it. Maybe this is part of the reason he has been allowed to recall all of this stuff so clearly, and to put it out there. Who would believe all of this.

You should know that as soon as I realized the danger of this, I started waiting to see if he had something in common with unrelated stories that came up. I even mentioned a couple of things, and his response to that was, "No, I'm not getting anything on that." This started to dispel the thought that he's tied into everything.

He does, however, see a lot of things in many stories that act as sort of signs, or confirmations of his own experiences, so his mention of these confirmations can come off to seem that he's connected with all of them. In point of fact, a lot of them ARE connected to some degree; at the very least with regard to the common thread that we are being visited, and there is a secret group, a minority, calling the shots on our planet.

You asked,

If that can't be arranged, tell you pal to visit my future self and send me back to talk to myself so I can corroborate your story.

I will be completely frank here. Everything that he was involved in, and everything he sees as coming to pass are driven by compassion. Your heart will determine, for the most part, how you become involved. Your intentions have been made known without you saying a word. If you are sincere, you will be taking part. That I know.

Finally,

I swear on my family's life, if you can prove this to be true by producing evidence that an outsider can accept (not friends and family) that I will stand hand in hand with hitler and jesus and rock out to the noise of Slayer.

From the heart, thank you for your sincerity. My actions are motivated by compassion. It may be hard to believe, but this is the only thing that matters in life.

If this concert comes to pass as TD, Steve from aliendoodles.com, win 52, and Bonnie from alienabductionhelp.com, and hopefully more who bring confirmations then it really will be a sight to see. And I will be paying you a visit to say I told you so.

Please be clear that compassion is motivating both of us.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
I understand your reasoning, but it's flawed. To say that TD's hasty offering of his recollection (obviously to his detriment) of the exit number has put his story, inexplicably, in jeopardy with you.

It's pointless to keep dancing around this. He lied and said he was delivering laptops to the IRS facility in Montauk. When I asked him for the address, rather than giving it to me, he said he exited at 52 on the LIE. It was a huge mistake on his part because, as has been stated, he got off the highway 19 exits too soon, adding an extra hour or two of driving time to an already long trip. The fact that he lied and tried to cover the lie with a lie is proof in my eyes that he is lying. If he lies here, the whole story is suspect. There's no way any rational person would say one lie doesn't taint the whole story.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
I think you're being too stubborn in this respect, but that's my opinion and it goes without saying that your opinion is equally valid. If that and the witness issue is a stalemate for you that's perfectly fine.

Damn right I'm being stubborn on it. He lied, lied again to cover the first lie and got nailed. He, therefore, lies. Prove to me he didn't lie about Montauk and the IRS. Give me the address of the Montauk facility.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
TD has his friends, family, coworkers, the NYPD, musicians, and yes Paris Hilton and Mel Gibson. These are all human beings you realize. The fact that he has met Paris Hilton is not a fact that stretches the imagination. However, I understand that the fact that he mentions Jesus appearing at a Slayer concert is. I'm right there with ya.

Well, get me a video of Mel Gibson or Paris Hilton corroborating the story and I'll believe him. I don't care how many of his friends and family are backing his story. I would never expect anyone to simply believe a story I told because my mommy and my friends said it was true. Mel Gibson confirming or Paris Hilton confirming would make it a bit more believable.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
There wasn't a method here. Yes, I felt that asking questions was an effective way of getting people to discuss a topic without it devolving into an exchange of personal insults. This lead to a lot of constructive back and forth. I thought it was a novel idea, and it worked.

what you did, and what others have been trying as well, is to set up the what if scenario and then bring in someone who has had the experiences in the what if scenario. By asking how would someone go about doing this that or the other thing, you get a back and forth dialogue that will aid you in telling the tale you planned on telling all along. People provided you with the do's and don't in the storytelling and then you simply brought your guy out.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
And does an inaccurate recollection in itself constitute proof that there does not exist anywhere at Montauk and I.R.S. facility? It's a stretch to think that his statement equates to the absence of a facility. This deserves further research, because I know he's being honest.

There never was an IRS facility in Montauk. He made it up and an accountant who grew up in the area busted him. End of story.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
It's very ironic that here is an individual that I find has had very credible experiences, but part of them involves exactly what you've pointed out, Jesus at a Slayer concert, Mel Gibson time traveling with him to the time of Jesus. I know. But despite that, I am still on board. Strange?

No, it isn't strange. I think there's ulterior motives of some kind. Either notoriety or some kind of future monetary gain perhaps. I don't know but I do know that the claims are so outlandish and he has already been caught in lies so you are doing this for a reason beyond just trying to get the story out. You, Sir, are Victor and/or Bill to Doty's Anonymous.

with regards to the rest of your comments, I am running out of room and time so I'm letting them go without comment. It doesn't mean I am ignoring them, agreeing or disagreeing. Simply unfinished business. This thread is not to debate the merits of your friend's story, his is one example of what I see as a growing trend at this site.