Why John did it.

This is a quick draft I made after a long day.


THis essay assumes everything John ever said was the truth as he
told it.

Why did a time traveler from the future come back to 2000 and begin
posting online?

Because he wanted to help us.

According to the physics of time travel as described by Titor and
his mission AND his persona ; consider this logical reasoning:

AT 1975 he had to convince his grandpa that he was who he claimed to
be,his time traveling grand son, and why he was thier, which was to
get the IBM 5100. It had to be something extreme and it had to of
worked. From thier on we must consider the fact that they must of
talked...ALOT, about all sorts of subjects.

Titor knowing his own past and knowing that his own alterations
would affect things went forward, Perhaps on his own initive or
perhaps at his grand fathers insistince. Either way he went forward
to (OUR) 2000 and began to watch the world and post online.

No matter which way you disect his intentions his posting have
helped us all of us on this world line. The forknowledge of how to
build this sigularity generator basicly he put the physiscts onto
the right track. Consider our government in associoation with other
european governments but this time machine and used it to see into
tommorow. They could go ten years into the futrue and see if thier
plans and ideas work out the way they want them too and return to
thier current to be here as they unfold. HOWEVER if the see a
failure they can go back to thier present and work to fix the
forseen failure AND if events of the present are to blame to the
forseen failure then they can go back into the past of other
worldlines on retriveal missions and get objects and/or information
to bring with them back to thier current.

HOWEVER thier current will be the same up to the point the time
traveler returns with the new object and/or information. Those in
the current can only use the new objects or information to change
the future their past is set in stone.

WHY?

Because if you can't fix your past then its best to plan for the
future.

So Titor spoke to the public of himself and his job.

The failure as I see it is thefailure and destruction of our
government along with the world itself. Our nation itself as it is
and functions today will fail and collaspe on itself and reform once
more. The world is getting nuclearly armed and is still learning how
to get along with itself.
When we reform I belive we should form a more complete perpetual
union.

The Civicly ignorant may enjoy the chains of tyranny but the civicly
educated is incappable of suffering curropt goverenment.

I belive a union which included the civicly educated into a branch
of legislation would help. Something that allowed the general
populas authority in equality with thier elected representives so
that the representives could never see themselves as higher or
better then those the represent.

In Titors' worldline this nation met its end because of events in
set into motion decades in our mutual past. With its end so followed
the world. And so the time machine is used by his worldline to
restore it to some sanity.

On our worldline we have yet to bring a monster under control, a
monster that commits such attrocites as Waco,Ruby Ridge, Kent State,
Oklahoma city, 911, and the Iraq war and war on terror at large.
That monster is our government and it will strike at us again unless
we bring it under control. AND the world will react against our
rampaging government unless we teach it how to heel and obey the
people. And we can only bring it under control by accepting absolute
responsiblity for all it as done and all we can do to make things
right.

John was here to help.
And he did.

if he wanted to help us he would have mentioned katrina, the tsunami, and 9/11


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Why John did it was to SEEM important. Anyone can say they have the answers. Anybody who listens without proof are SHEEP


[edit on 18-2-2007 by Royal76]

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
if he wanted to help us he would have mentioned katrina, the tsunami, and 9/11

I’m not saying that I buy into the John Titor story, but what “if” Tsunami’s, hurricanes, and terrorist actions that we’ve become familiar with, were not the height of the problems John Titor recalled as being the icing on any cake? Maybe he knew of bigger effects that made these other things appear small in comparison?

I’m not arguing, just a possible thought to consider....

Originally posted by jensouth31

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
if he wanted to help us he would have mentioned katrina, the tsunami, and 9/11

I’m not saying that I buy into the John Titor story, but what “if” Tsunami’s, hurricanes, and terrorist actions that we’ve become familiar with, were not the height of the problems John Titor recalled as being the icing on any cake? Maybe he knew of bigger effects that made these other things appear small in comparison?

I’m not arguing, just a possible thought to consider....

In comparison to 3 billion lives lost in a nuclear war (but, it doesn't effect GE's ability to make time machines :ham I agree.

But

Why didn't he go "terminator" and make sure Gore wins Florida ? Instead, he posts vague messages on an obscure time travel message board ? He never even went to CNN or any major media outlets !

Of all the ways he could have helped us, he picked the least likely way, and I have yet to meet one titorite who has taken any of his warnings seriously.

No kidding

Have any believers moved away from major cities that are likely to be Russian targets ? Have they purchased a bike and lots of spare tires ?

Nope

[edit on 19-2-2007 by syrinx high priest]

Originally posted by Royal76
Why John did it was to SEEM important. Anyone can say they have the answers. Anybody who listens without proof are SHEEP


[edit on 18-2-2007 by Royal76]

I disagree with the last sentence

I thought this John Titor said he was fake? imo you don't need to lie to help. Besides that imo based on the material i've read I believe this is a pure hoax not help but to my knowledge this has not been disproven is this the case?

[edit on 19-2-2007 by Selmer2]

Originally posted by Selmer2

Originally posted by Royal76
Why John did it was to SEEM important. Anyone can say they have the answers. Anybody who listens without proof are SHEEP


[edit on 18-2-2007 by Royal76]

I disagree with the last sentence

I thought this John Titor said he was fake? imo you don't need to lie to help. Besides that imo based on the material i've read I believe this is a pure hoax not help but to my knowledge this has not been disproven is this the case?

[edit on 19-2-2007 by Selmer2]

As far as I'm concerened, the replies from Dr. Brown and Kaku suffice to debunk the hoax. Do you think his chevy could support 2 billion metric tons of weight ?

me neither

Well I am a titorite and I take his warnings seriously. I don't own a bike but I have invested in Browns gas technology so I can get better gas milage running my car on petrol and water.

I bought a Rife Machine to deal with Mad Cow Disease (CJD).

I don't live directly in the city and I am far from the major metro areas.

And I believe his story because of the science behind it. The "Z" machine did recently create artifical black holes but they were not stablized. And C.E.R.N. plans on creating stable black holes.

Ed Brown may very well be the first of those that are seperated by city/country.

Hillary is running for president.

The wmd hype was BS to invade iraq.

Our constitutional rights have been striped from us.

Mad cow has been found to have a decades long incubation period in humans.

There are more proofs but you may still wonder why hasn't everything he spoke of happened...To that I say read the friggin story. Not everything will happen exactly as it happened to him. For starters we didn't suffer any Y2k and he did. Our future is not written in stone. And while somethings will happen reguardless like 2012 his writings makes those of us with understanding better prepared for what is coming....

As for the singularitys. I doubt they have any weight at all inside thier magnetic bottle.

I figured something out with the help of a friend. Thier were bigger problems to Titor then pretty much anything. A caldara erupting and spreading ash all over the world blotting out the sun for years to come and posining the waters with sulfuric ash for decades.

Below are a few posts I cite there are more references but once you re-read the Titor story in the context of a man who is living in a world that is still recovering from a global ash cloud...more crptic parts of the story make perfect sense. ...Read on


Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the
world to end. Unfortunately , I have decided not to discuss events
that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a
suprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the red sea and
the egyptians?

Thats one area I've decided not to talk about, sorry. The average
temperture worldwide is a bit cooler.

Does the sun look any different in 2036 than it does now? ))
When you can see it through the high level smoke and haze, not that
I'm aware of.

Do you have any idea how effiient solar cells are today? Sometimes
it's sunny and sometimes it rains. Sometimes large dust clouds high
in the atmosphere pass overhead. I don?t understasnd the point you
want to make. The sun looks the same.

The big one? As you are experiencing now, there are earthquakes,
storms and other unfortunate surprises from Mother Nature that have
impacts on your society and future history. That is one reason I
won't go into detail.



A Soldier's Winter


The day before it wasn't snowing.


The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of
winter ..my world, my life, my wandering path.


I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I
am still His child

"John" did it because he was a highly-intelligent (smarter than most of the people who read his rantings) social misfit who thought he'd been wronged by the world, thought he knew better than everybody else, and enjoyed "putting one over" on people who couldn't see what he was really describing... it wasn't the future, it was a description of "John's" personal Utopia. A world like the world he grew up in, with governmental changes to satisfy his radical leanings.

Profile of John Titor

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
if he wanted to help us he would have mentioned katrina, the tsunami, and 9/11


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Have you not heard of the Parralell universe theory that for every desicion somewhere else someone makes another desicion

It is widely scientifically accepted that time travel IS possible both forwards and back and has even been proven somewhat by an atomic clock.

It is belived that to combat the problem of a time paradox(going back in time and killing your granfather) that every desicion made has an alternate place in existence(many universe's each with a decision made differantly)

So that when you go back in time you actually go into another timeline making it impossible for you to create a paradox.

Jhon Titor was from a differant timeline it is possible that 911 and katrina and other things did not happen, that his world was simililar yet totally differant.

But i honstly dont belive the mutiple universe theory, my theory is that time is now and what ever happend has happend and cannot be undone, you may go back in time, but the truth is you have already been born and cannot be unborn.

A person from the "future" would never be alowed to come back in time to "help" because they are from the future. If they are from the future then that means there is a future. Who from the future would alow or be alowed to come back in time to "help" when that "help" could make it so there was no future at all?

Bullsnips! Psychological rambolings.

Look up time travel on google, it is possible my friend

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[edit on 8-7-2008 by monkeybus]