American Revolution #2

The point of my thread is to discuss the Internet as a possible means of communication and information sharing as well as an organization tool if there were ever some sort of actual 'police state' or totalitarian government implemented (some of you say that is already here, could be right) and the ensuing revolution that would take place and how that compares to the first American Revolution and how the fathers of this great country and Constitution were able to do the same.

I've read some posts on here asking 'what if there is another revolution?' and a lot of people tend to have the same view on the subject which is we would be on lock down and could not organize to save our lives, literally.

So what do you guys and gals think, will they have all the restrictions needed by the time we live in a full out, New World Order nightmare for us not to use tools such as the Internet? And what other possible ways could you forsee us using to do so?

Do you honestly believe that someone somewhere can't, or couldn't, track/track/record what you just posted?

The internet, IMO, is not a good tool to attempt to bring together a revolution. There's too many ways for your e-correspondence to be monitored.

Making a network, off of the WWW, would be your only means of using the internet technologies, though.


The only real working tool that would bring together the personnel for a revolution would be knowledge. Cut, clear, and to the point. It will take the masses opening their eyes to what is going on and it will take it's own course from there.

As far as once the revolution has started, IMO, there's also enough technology in today's world that would facilitate your needs to maintain said revolution. Encryption is the key. No, it won't stop the "enemy", but it would slow them down enough as to where you could re-locate.

Originally posted by Infoholic
Encryption is the key. No, it won't stop the "enemy", but it would slow them down enough as to where you could re-locate.

Well that depends on the encryption. There is a little known encryption system that has never been broken. It is called the Vernam encryption, details can be found in the next two links

en.wikipedia.org...

www.aspheute.com...

These one time pad systems cannot be broken without the original pad. We still have russian communications we intercepted during the cold war that havn't been broken. With todays tech it's even easier to transmit a pad securly. Obviously you wouldn't send your pad over the internet as that compromises it's security.

There are of course many ways to send a pad, the mail is one, you could send it on a USB chip, in the memory of an MP3 player etc etc. Also if you start organising before hand with like minded people in the idea of "What if something happened". then you could have pre ordained dead drops (a dead drop is a pre arranged place where items are left and can be collected.

Either way, once you have your one time pad, you can happily and safely send emails that are just numbers. You can even turn those numbers into words with the right system so it doesn't look suspicious. Or maybe use a very simply encryption to send them, that way it just looks like a small encrypted mail going somewhere.

Any encryption system you download is easily crackable by using multiple supercomputers. People seem to revere PGP and yet that rubbish can be cracked in under 2 hours with enough computer power, and yes that power exists with some of the latest supercomputers.

Hopefully though such things won't ever be needed.

Edit

I also forgot to mention mico-dots, this can be done by everyone, they could be used to transmit one time pads, or just information. The classic is stuck to the back or a stamp, placed inbetween layers of paper on a postcard, in the full stops or a book etc. There are many ways to transmit information securly.

[edit on 24-1-2007 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Mobile phones is probably a better suggestion than the web. The web can easily be cencored as is done in China.
However you better not use the mobile when you are home. Too easy to find you.

The internet is too easilly watched, filtered and its completely useless without the wonderful grid of cables stretching all over the country. Take out the cables and its all dead.

If your going to use the internet youd have to keep it off the radar with IRC's or take it back to the old days of BBS style communication. You couldnt just hit up an AOL chatroom or even a message board like this one. Pedophiles are constantly getting busted doing things like that.

The best is word of mouth. Real physical contact with people of like mind.
Like our founding fathers staying late in the storeroom of a local shop owned by a sympathizer. If te particiants all have a name and a face theres honor involved. Theres no honor, pride of shame on the internet. Just alot of blowhards.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
The best is word of mouth. Real physical contact with people of like mind.
Like our founding fathers staying late in the storeroom of a local shop owned by a sympathizer. If te particiants all have a name and a face theres honor involved. Theres no honor, pride of shame on the internet. Just alot of blowhards.

I take it you are referring back the times of Paul Revere?

Taking current world technologies into consideration, you are correct, IMO. There's no "fool proof" way to get around "snooping", except by word of mouth. The problem with that is the trust issue. I'm certain that there will be a major problem with people "selling their soul", so to speak, in order to make sure they get into the "paradise" promised by the NWO.

Soon, you won't be able to trust anyone.

In the creation of the coming police state, the internet as we know it will be destroyed. The net is a double edged sword, the source of information which can set us free is also the implement that will be used to enslave us. RFID tracking plugged into the net will allow instantaneous monitoring of everyone worldwide.

If you think you can wait until after the dictatorship to finally start doing something, you are sadly mistaken.

The only chance we have to do something is before it starts, and not enough people believe it. The only time there will be enough support to change the world is once we have crossed the threshold and it is already too late.


Preventing the NWO global totalitarian police state doesnt require guns or revolts, all it requires is people being informed.

Before the police state is finalized you can certainly put the info up on the web. However, not enough people will read it.

By the time they realize it is happening, it will be too late!

True encryption doesn't exist anymore, anything can be cracked. Keyloggers are an easier way to see what's going on though, so no matter what appears on the screen, what you typed is logged.

Advanced forensics can pull up anything on your system unless it's erased and most people don't use erase, they use delete. That email you type is logged whether or not you use encryption. The only time you can feel minimally 'safe' about anything is if you are using your own server to communicate to someone else using their own server AND the encryption.

Originally posted by sky1
True encryption doesn't exist anymore, anything can be cracked. Keyloggers are an easier way to see what's going on though, so no matter what appears on the screen, what you typed is logged.

That email you type is logged whether or not you use encryption. The only time you can feel minimally 'safe' about anything is if you are using your own server to communicate to someone else using their own server AND the encryption.

True encryption does exist, as i mentioned earlier the one time pad system cannot be cracked. We have intercepted messages from the russians during the cold war that we still havn't cracked. A theoretical quantum computer couldn't crack them as there is no pattern to crack if you use truly random numbers.

Keyloggers are very nasty, but any person who knows how to check their process list can stop these extremely quickly. The disguised ones are extremely tricky but can still be found. Also with the one time pad system all you get is numbers typed in so no, keyloggers won't work even if they get the typed characters. All they get is a stream of random numbers. Please read the links i posted before commenting on this kind of thing.

Originally posted by sky1
Advanced forensics can pull up anything on your system unless it's erased and most people don't use erase, they use delete.

Sorry but erasing won't always cover your tracks. Whilst overwriting data is a very good idea, people can sometimes reclaim this data using electron microscopes. It's difficult and time consuming, but it can be done. Usually the results are limited though, often finding parts of files rather than full files.