Origin of Reptilians

Originally posted by BASSPLYR

...Or where the depictions a conglomeration of various associations the gods had, a symbol or trademark.

I've always thought that to be the case. I believe the snake image is a just one symbol for a specific group among many others and that "Annunaki" is just a general term for what the Sumerian's supposedly saw come from the sky...many different types of beings were grouped under that term and a lot seem to look quite different from each other.

Some of the Annunaki are depicted as having two faces others are half animal.

Are there orb aliens with wings that compose the annunaki and run mankind?

What "orb aliens"?

Orb reference: I was refering to ancient sumerian, babylonian, and egyptian depictions of their sun gods as a giant disk with wings flying through the air.

Yeah, I think people are taking the Reptiliod depictions too literally. They are interpreting everything as a reptile even when they are clearly depicting eagle faces, or fish bodies. I agree that probably a whole assortment of beings came to earth through out it's history and the reptiles were probably only a fraction of the action. hey that ryhmes!

Wow! What an informative thread on those reptilian-like beings. Thanks Hank for starting this one up!

Over and over again I'm reminded by those comments in this thread on this topic about the existence and power of morphic resonance.

The more far back such archetypes go, the stronger they become where they become more and more ingrained on a collective basis across the vastly uncharted ocean of the primordial subconscious mind -- hence 'they' continue manifesting in untold ways.




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The thing about'm that's at least a wee-bit scary to me, is their unknown existence so far.. well, except the late Thomas Castello interview www.bibliotecapleyades.net... Hear there's a law about no-searching caves other than designated ...

Dallas

In Genesis God cast the serpant (lucifer) to the ground took all of his bones and made him crawl forever on his belly. I pose the question to you Hank, what did lucifer look like before God cast him down to his belly?

That is the most notable example of reptilians in our history.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
That is the most notable example of reptilians in our history.
AAC

Hmmm, that's just the most notable example (and probably only) in the Bible, not necessarily in our history.

Anyway, all the summerian reptilian picture samples that have been posted look like birds to me. I mean, they have wings and they have bird-like beaks... what gives?

[edit on 18-1-2007 by Celtibero]

Originally posted by Celtibero

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
That is the most notable example of reptilians in our history.
AAC

Hmmm, that's just the most notable example (and probably only) in the Bible, not necessarily in our history.

Anyway, all the summerian reptilian picture samples that have been posted look like birds to me. I mean, they have wings and they have bird-like beaks... what gives?

[edit on 18-1-2007 by Celtibero]

Definition: Notable: Widely known and esteemed

Wouldn't you imagine the bible is more widely known than Sumarian antiquities?

ACC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
[Definition: Notable: Widely known and esteemed
ACC

I'm not discussing the meaning of the term "notable", but the meaning of the word "history". It's not like the Eden episode of the Old Testanment would be considered "history" by many.

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by dAlen
Hank, there are the Sepherim.
Those are fiery reptilians angels that serve "God".
Its Jewish and Christian. (the latter is not as familiar, but its there)

So the Bible can be one source, Im sure others sources will be pointed out also.

(For those needing reference, ask your local Sephardic Rabbi...meaning, Im not coming up with some idea off the top of my head for those not familar with this.

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The Jewish tradition doesn't have any reptilian firey angels, nor are the seraphim described as reptiles. They are described as humans with four faces -- read the bible for youself and you'll see this is so.

edit 2:
You made the statement, "The Jewish tradition doesnt have any fiery angels"...
May I ask, are you a practicing, Orthodox, Sephardic, Jew, taught in Yeshiva/Kollel, etc." Are you a rabbi who can in-turn argue with the rabbi who told me this?
What are your sources?

My point, simply is...your making as general of a statement as I am concerning this.
Whos sources has more clout? (Doesnt matter, read on.)

Sorry, I have been extremely sick all week.
Despite that, I have actively been writing, yet not all my energy is in there to perhaps give some of the stuff the punch it needs.

The fact is I do read the Bible for myself, you will again have to forgive my reponces, even as I woke up this morning I am still weak from sickness.

The Bible says a lot more than what Christians understand, and the fact is, I understand the Christian theology inside and out. Check out my blog. Maybe eventually you will see some answers to your questions.

But dont be quick, coming from a Christian perspecitve, to knock an idea thats not familar. (Your free to, of course) There is a lot more going on then what most Christians realize. With that I will close, I know it will not help you with this case, but I stick with what I said about the reptilian angel.

edit: to clarify, I do not expect you, or anyone to believe that the Bible teaches this if you dont find it. I am sharing however, with you, information that was passed to me by a orthodox, sephardic rabbi...whose understanding is by far better than most Christians.

Again, Byrd...before saying read for myself...(yes I took offence to it), as I can promise you, I have read it, and know it better than the people teaching other Christians. And most Christians only know their doctrine, they dont even read...I mean really read.

Heres one, the jewish concept of reincarnation. Thats hinted at the new testament when they asked John if he was Elijah. Yes, I know the Christian arguments about what it meant. Why not check out what Judaism believed then. (Christians dont konw anything about Jewish tradition.) For the past 2000 years, reincarnation has been an integral part of Judaism. (and thats not bogus, you need a rabbinical list? If you do read my blogs, Im sure you will get one as that topic will probably be covered.)

Now Im not saying that I believe either which way, but Byrd...I do understand, and read, and know more of the backstory than what you give me credit for. Dont be to quick to judge what I know, I will suprise you...I have run with the best, and had answers (from Judaism), that they could not fathom otherwise. (Christianity was bred out of the Jewish tradition after all.)

What I write now...its a tip to the ice berg, and frankly I dont feel like going on about it here. Before you debate Jewish/Christian teachings with me, read by blogs, over time you may see puzzles going together.)

With that I will rest.
Oh, what was your definitive source, with refernce, about them not being fiery reptilan angels? (Now I know if I give you a responce from the Talmud, etc. that wont be good for a Christian, some things actually tie things together better. But the whole point is not to argue religion...I dont really have any use for it in the "normal" sense.

Now that I have dealt with your attack of me not reading for myself what the Bible says, along with the implications that come with that...(yeah, you hit a button)
Here is the point which I will rest my case for this thread.

The point was to show that various "traditions" ARE talking about the whole reptilian thing, way before the whole "reptilian craze" begin...brought about by Icke, who only gathered info from different religions from long ago, and put it together in books, as I said, with his own thoughts along with it.

If you dont want to take my example of the fiery reptilian angels...fine.
But how can you ignore the very beginning of Genesis as another source?

Forget the fiery reptilian angel, here you have a talking snake, with feet/hands, etc. running about a garden tempting people.

Now if you say its all symbolic, well that open to theology...thats not the point here...The point is to show, for this thread, that the idea of reptilians, is not new. Thats it.

Peace

dAlen


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[edit on 19-1-2007 by dAlen]

dAlen, dunno, but seems to me Reptilians is the subject and I feel their real, underground, and masters of both tall and short Greys.

As I mentioned above, there seems to be very little written re being in their domain? Then again perhap's being in their domain means never coming back to Earths surface?

Dallas

They are interpreting everything as a reptile even when they are clearly depicting eagle faces, or fish bodies. I agree that probably a whole assortment of beings came to earth through out it's history and the reptiles were probably only a fraction of the action.

Well those carved figures look like eagles more then alligators...I was just pointing out there was a bit of lizard look in the head. I do believe they were probably meant to depict Birds.

Anyone remember this story about some 17 year old kids encounter with a giant Lizard man?

He passed a polygraph too:

First Lizard Man Spotter Passes Polygragh Test

The 17-year-old youth who created an international Lizard Man frenzy has passed a private polygraph test about his encounter with the 7-foot creature, his promoters say.

Real?

Not saying that some of them do have reptile like features because some do.

The flying lizard man case is interesting. I believe the kid saw something weird, but passing a polygraph test doesn't mean much. I know cops that have blatantly lied on their polygraph tests to get successfullly into the academy. If you are comfortable with the lie than it will not show up as one on the polygraph.

I wish though that I had Annunaki friends. My boss gives me a hard time, I call good old Mr Annunki to come over and scare the crap out of her, with his lizard skin and creepy animal face and the fact that he can terrorise my boss by flying around her and diving at her with his wings while she runs to her car in horror to escape, I bet he could even chase the car down the street by flying behind it for a bit too. Yeah that would be awsome.

Originally posted by Byrd
The Jewish tradition doesn't have any reptilian firey angels, nor are the seraphim described as reptiles. They are described as humans with four faces -- read the bible for youself and you'll see this is so.

Its up for debate, whats Jewish to you.

Heres something from a quick search from JewishEncyclopedia

However, one should not too hastily conclude that the seraphim were winged human forms. At least this was not the original conception, although later Judaism pictured them so. The seraphim are frequently mentioned in the Book of Enoch (xx. 7, lxi. 10, lxxi. 7), where they are designated as δράκονες ("serpents"), and are always mentioned, in conjunction with the cherubim, as the heavenly creatures standing nearest to God. In Rev. iv. 6-8 four animals are pictured as standing near the throne of God; each has six wings, and, as in Isaiah, they sing the "Trisagion."

Book of enoch says it, good enough for 'Jewish' to me.

Jewish is such a broad term: One rabbi may believe in reptilian angels, and another may not. The ones that dont believe in them, do so based on not looking at the collection of ancient text.
But for those wondering, and looking for a text which refers to reptilians in Judaism...there you go.

note: yes Byrd, the text is Enoch and not the "canonized" Bible (from which I implied one could read about the fiery reptilians...my apologies)...but as the text implies, and I agree:

Isaiah gives no further description of the form and appearance of the seraphim; he apparently assumes that his readers are acquainted with them.

Enoch is used quite frequently as a resource in jewish 'mysticism.'
(The prophets were mystics, by the way..."school of prophets, now that is in the canonized Bible!)

Some will not care, as they look at any form of mysticism to be not worthy of true religious study and not on the same level.

But when you consider that talking serpents are running around the garden in the 'normal' Bible, and that Orthodox religious leaders use text such as Enoch...as well as secular scholars - who care to understand more about a religion - then Enoch is a good enough source for me, at least as good as the Bible.

Peace

dAlen

[edit on 21-1-2007 by dAlen]

maybe veloci-raptor had feathers.. wait.. they did ;D

maybe veloci-raptors where intelligent beings that had the petty human mammals worship them.. but they could'nt survive the ice age.


maybe in the dawn of man in some stone age time. before man had developped his narcisisstic Race!-istisc of view on animals.. a tiny snake healed it's friend with a herb. and asclepius witnessed this.
and the woman where sent out to gather herbs. like the snake had taught man.
maybe that myth was just a metaphor or poetic way of telling, that woman had found herbs in the undergrowth.. where snakes and frogs live.

maybe the ramayana story is correct.
and alien nagaz out of chinese myth are really related 2 the dinosaurs.
maybe those where just stories, trying to explain ancient dinosaur escavations or bone finds by ancient humans.

Maybe David icke is just a narcisisstic attention seeking Adhd stricken grown-up indigo child, that regret the whole "im jesus act" but still craves attention.

Maybe he's right.

Maybe david icke is the anti-christ (ok ok that one i don't believe neither..
but wAIT.. DOESN'T IT SAY that we will all trust the anti-christ in the beginning?)

Hells... we'll never know.. haha

not until we take all them rich masonic secret keepers and beat them up until they tell ;D haha

That's cool about trusting the antichrist. I'm not too big on the bible, but i've always invisioned it as someone with good intentions being swayed at the last minute after winning over the people and chaos ensuing. Hope that doesn't happen!

To answer Hank's question I believe the first example in modern times has to be either Princess Diana and her famous "they're lizards" comment (someone help me with a source on that) or David Icke unfortunately. I personally like Icke, but I don't like his method.

It isn't about the present though Hank, it's more about the past with the ancient texts you seem to blow over in your OP. This is the only thing, besides those with direct contact, that gives the story any credence at all.

If it weren't for those ancient texts, and the carry-over from the bible, not a lot would seem very valid in my opinion to most, even here at ATS.

Just an update...pulled my "Anatomy of Kabbalah" series off the shelf and listened to the "angel series" and the rabbi says "Serra" are like fiery reptilian type angels.

Im not familar with the term Serra, and it may be not be spelled correctly, but its how it sounds. (Ser-rah)

So add that in there with the other info.

Peace

dAlen

I'm ending this controversy. The Reptilians gained notariaty in the mid-90's when the Clinton's were establishing themselves. It is nothing more than a grammaticized effort at quelling the American populace in the belief that there exist less disstractual appearances than Hillary.

I'm fairly certain this guy is 100% beliveable. www.freewebs.com...

You can't take any part of the bible too seriously. It's effectively a mash-up of hand me down tales that were assembled 500 years after the death of some guy.

As far as the origin of the reptile myth: I belive that all of the first civilizations simply observed their environments and designated "gods" for different aspects of day to day life they observed in the hopes of prosperity. Funny thing is there is some form of reptile on every continent (except Antartica (more on that in a bit)). Why don't we see ledgends about bird people, or fish people? Oh wait, "angles" "mermaids". Dog people? "werewolves".

My favorite part of the reptoid myth is that the entry point to their "world" is in Antartica. Being a cold-blooded race, don't you think "they" could find a place a bit warmer? Or, is that what "they" want us to think? Oouweeoo!

-now with better sound effects-

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