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Sen. McCain on Iraq: "Go Big Go Long or Don't Go At All!"
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Appropriately, Sen. McCain and Sen. Lieberman spoke before the AEI - American Enterprise Institute - one of those Right Wing think tanks that urged us
to go to war in Iraq, it was no wonder. Both Sen. McCain and Sen. Lieberman are the kind of hawks the AEI just loves!
Sen. McCain called for 6 more brigades in Iraq “until the mission is accomplished.” 5 in Baghdad, 1 in Anbar Province. The mission is to pacify and stabilize Baghdad and the region around it sufficiently that reconstruction can begin and civil governance can be restored and maintained under Iraqi control. McCain averred that if we set a date certain, the insurgents will merely wait us out. If we set “goals” then the Iraqi will know our commitment is temporary and then we will be gone. Therefore, it would be unwise for any Iraqi to support the United States. Sen. McCain also says we need to enlarge the Army - now 507,000 - and the Marine Corps - now 180,000 - rapidly. No mention of money. No mention of taxes. Just more troops! Joined enthusiastically by Sen. Lieberman.
Sen. Lieberman is parroting Israel’s Prime Minister Olmert. It is the APAC dogma here that the Civil War in Iraq is inextricably linked to the Radical Islamists around the world. He never mentioned the Palestinians, he never mentions the word Gaza, nor Hamas which won the electron in the Occupied Territories. How can we ever bring stability in a region when we are supporting the greatest force for instability - the IDF?
Is it disingenuous for both Sen. Lieberman and Sen. McCain to keep asking for the”moderate” Arab regimes in the region to “step up” to the plate with money and troops? Who are the senators fooling? Us lay persons or themselves? The Arabs - moderate or immoderate - are not going to move until we and our client state Israel move quickly towards a fair and equitable resolution of what we euphemistically call the Arab Israeli problem (since 1948)? Sen. Lieberman trotted out the now discredited Islamic Caliphate! I'm sorry to see Sen. Lieberman act this way. I'm embarrassed for him.
Sen McCain invoked God in his answer to a question from the audience about halting the Shia and Sunni Civil War in Iraq. Reminds me of Bushj43, who knew it all on March 18, 2003. Then he was reinforced by the quick success of our take-down of the Iraq Army. B43 dressed up in a flying suit - not worn since his problematical Alabama Air Guard days - tailored at what cost to US taxpayers? - and jumped down out of an airplane on the USS Lincoln flight deck under a Karl Rove ordered sign proclaiming, Mission Accomplished! He, VP Cheney and Rumsfeld mucked up Iraq when they ordered the dissolution of the Iraq Army, the firing of the Iraqi police and the destruction of the Iraqi Civil Service. To know one’s surprise - except Bush43, VP Cheney and Rumsfeld - the power vacuum just created was quickly filled by first, insurgents, then by local militias and others we are calling insurgents. We broke it, we can’t fix it. So what do we do?
McCain is running for the 2008 presidency and Lieberman is befuddled at best, a Zionist lobbyist at worst.
Foot Note: Want to know the underlying problem now, on Iraq? The president lied to us.
[edit on 1/6/2007 by donwhite]
Sen. McCain called for 6 more brigades in Iraq “until the mission is accomplished.” 5 in Baghdad, 1 in Anbar Province. The mission is to pacify and stabilize Baghdad and the region around it sufficiently that reconstruction can begin and civil governance can be restored and maintained under Iraqi control. McCain averred that if we set a date certain, the insurgents will merely wait us out. If we set “goals” then the Iraqi will know our commitment is temporary and then we will be gone. Therefore, it would be unwise for any Iraqi to support the United States. Sen. McCain also says we need to enlarge the Army - now 507,000 - and the Marine Corps - now 180,000 - rapidly. No mention of money. No mention of taxes. Just more troops! Joined enthusiastically by Sen. Lieberman.
Sen. Lieberman is parroting Israel’s Prime Minister Olmert. It is the APAC dogma here that the Civil War in Iraq is inextricably linked to the Radical Islamists around the world. He never mentioned the Palestinians, he never mentions the word Gaza, nor Hamas which won the electron in the Occupied Territories. How can we ever bring stability in a region when we are supporting the greatest force for instability - the IDF?
Is it disingenuous for both Sen. Lieberman and Sen. McCain to keep asking for the”moderate” Arab regimes in the region to “step up” to the plate with money and troops? Who are the senators fooling? Us lay persons or themselves? The Arabs - moderate or immoderate - are not going to move until we and our client state Israel move quickly towards a fair and equitable resolution of what we euphemistically call the Arab Israeli problem (since 1948)? Sen. Lieberman trotted out the now discredited Islamic Caliphate! I'm sorry to see Sen. Lieberman act this way. I'm embarrassed for him.
Sen McCain invoked God in his answer to a question from the audience about halting the Shia and Sunni Civil War in Iraq. Reminds me of Bushj43, who knew it all on March 18, 2003. Then he was reinforced by the quick success of our take-down of the Iraq Army. B43 dressed up in a flying suit - not worn since his problematical Alabama Air Guard days - tailored at what cost to US taxpayers? - and jumped down out of an airplane on the USS Lincoln flight deck under a Karl Rove ordered sign proclaiming, Mission Accomplished! He, VP Cheney and Rumsfeld mucked up Iraq when they ordered the dissolution of the Iraq Army, the firing of the Iraqi police and the destruction of the Iraqi Civil Service. To know one’s surprise - except Bush43, VP Cheney and Rumsfeld - the power vacuum just created was quickly filled by first, insurgents, then by local militias and others we are calling insurgents. We broke it, we can’t fix it. So what do we do?
McCain is running for the 2008 presidency and Lieberman is befuddled at best, a Zionist lobbyist at worst.
Foot Note: Want to know the underlying problem now, on Iraq? The president lied to us.
[edit on 1/6/2007 by donwhite]
Both McCain and Bush are playing politics with US troop numbers in Iraq. McCain is gambling that by the time 2008 comes around the Coalition wont be
involved with Iraq and that the elected government will have fallen.
When the blame game takes a new twist McCain will be able to say " If we had sent more troops this wouldn't have happened. "
Bush will use a call for a troop increase in Iraq to divert the Dems away from calls to withdraw and a change in strategy in Iraq.
When the blame game takes a new twist McCain will be able to say " If we had sent more troops this wouldn't have happened. "
Bush will use a call for a troop increase in Iraq to divert the Dems away from calls to withdraw and a change in strategy in Iraq.
This week will make history!
First, I have never trusted B43. He ordered the execution of 154 men in Texas, one dead man every 2 weeks on average, for 6 years. No normal man can do that. Based on Illinois statistics, 11 of them were innocent. Next, B43 is not well read. He is dependant on the advice given him by others. He lacks a personal informed knowledge base against which he can judge their recommendations. Forceful people like Bolton, Wolfowitc, Krystal, Rove and of course, my un-favorite trio, VP Cheney, Oberfuhrer Herr Rumsfeld and the Birmingham Songbird Condi Rice.
Condi has proved a bust, and is being replaced by Negroponte. He’s bringing in a retired Navy admiral to take the DNI spot. He’s fired the top generals because they will not publicly endorse his “surge” plan. He’s bringing in more generals who have no doubt agreed to “act enthused” over his plan. B43 sounds more and more like Hitler running the German Army in the Russian campaign. And with the same outcome expected.
Yup, and the Dems are walking a tight rope. Notice first there has been no repeat no consultation with the Dems on Iraq. None on personnel shifts, none on the “surge,” none on how to pay for an enlarged army and none on what to do if the “surge” fails. Bush43 post November 7 has never seemed convincing to me when he spoke of working together. I watched for the correct body language and it never came. The only thing you can say about B43 is that he has not changed. I‘m thinking this guy is an Amendment 25 candidate.
[edit on 1/6/2007 by donwhite]
posted by xpert11
McCain and Bush are playing politics with US troop numbers in Iraq. McCain is gambling that by the 2008 election the Coalition won’t be involved with Iraq and the elected government will have fallen. When the blame game takes a new twist McCain will be able to say "If we had sent more troops this [debacle] wouldn't have happened." [Edited by Don W]
First, I have never trusted B43. He ordered the execution of 154 men in Texas, one dead man every 2 weeks on average, for 6 years. No normal man can do that. Based on Illinois statistics, 11 of them were innocent. Next, B43 is not well read. He is dependant on the advice given him by others. He lacks a personal informed knowledge base against which he can judge their recommendations. Forceful people like Bolton, Wolfowitc, Krystal, Rove and of course, my un-favorite trio, VP Cheney, Oberfuhrer Herr Rumsfeld and the Birmingham Songbird Condi Rice.
Condi has proved a bust, and is being replaced by Negroponte. He’s bringing in a retired Navy admiral to take the DNI spot. He’s fired the top generals because they will not publicly endorse his “surge” plan. He’s bringing in more generals who have no doubt agreed to “act enthused” over his plan. B43 sounds more and more like Hitler running the German Army in the Russian campaign. And with the same outcome expected.
Bush will use a call for a troop increase in Iraq to divert the Dems away from calls to withdraw and a change in strategy in Iraq.
Yup, and the Dems are walking a tight rope. Notice first there has been no repeat no consultation with the Dems on Iraq. None on personnel shifts, none on the “surge,” none on how to pay for an enlarged army and none on what to do if the “surge” fails. Bush43 post November 7 has never seemed convincing to me when he spoke of working together. I watched for the correct body language and it never came. The only thing you can say about B43 is that he has not changed. I‘m thinking this guy is an Amendment 25 candidate.
[edit on 1/6/2007 by donwhite]
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