Originally posted by BaseballHistoryNut
...if he hadn't had to waste his first 5 years hitting part time with a dead baseball in a park where RF was the same distance as Yellowstone Park.
...how much higher would Ruth's have been if he hadn't had to hit under the impossible conditions of Fenway Park in 1915-1919?
You already know the 11/38 home/road HR split for his years in Fenway...here are HR splits for his career.
Years--------Park-----HHR-----RHR
1914-19------Fenway------11-------38
1920-22-------Polo----------75-------73
1923-34------Yankee------259-----252
1935----------Braves--------2--------4
TOTAL-------------------347-----367
Hitting as a pitcher....
In 1915 Ruth had 4 HR in 103 PA (setting a record for a pitcher that would last 16 years), the league leader had 6 in 439 PA.
In 1916 Ruth had 3 HR in 150 PA, the league leader had 12 in 617 PA.
In 1917 Ruth had 2 HR in 142 PA, the league leader had 9 in 668 PA.
In 1918 Ruth had 11 HR in 380 PA - tied for the league lead. Tilly Walker who also had 11 HR needed 466 PA to reach the same total.
In 1919 Ruth led the league with 29 HR almost tripling the totals of George Sisler, Tilly Walker and Home Run Baker.
In every year that he was in Boston, Ruth was the league leader in HR or had a better ratio than the league leader. This was done in brutal Fenway.
Funny about how Hollywood portrays him. As if the producers of the movies couldn't care less about accuracy. In the Goodman movie, beyond the
ridiculously fat manner in which he's portrayed, even as a young kid sent to St. Mary's on a Friday the 13th, 1902, there are inaccuries galore.
Nobody cares. Its about showing a fat guy who was generous, liked to drink, enjoyed playing baseball and making kids smile. You don't get a realistic
sense of the paradox that was his personality, and if there is any sense of it at all, it only seems to scratch the surface. Neither of the two
reformations are shown, his catching and infield brilliance, even before he became a pitcher at St. Mary's aren't shown. His all-around greatness as a
ballplayer is ignored and his complete and utter lifestyle change starting in '29 (thanks in large part to Claire) is as well. Once I just wish
somebody would do a no holds barred, in depth and accurate movie or mini-series. Oh well, for those who want to learn, the information is out
there.
For the record, which of my next two greatest players--Willie Mays and Ty Cobb, in that order, but only very slightly--do you prefer?
BHN
1. Ruth
2. Cobb
3. Mays
Don't see myself flip-flopping Mays and Cobb any time soon. Next to Ruth, my next (although distant) most researched subject is Cobb and imo, he
rightly belongs at #2. I will say that Mays is closer to Cobb than Cobb is to Ruth however.
btw Jim, congrats on the accomplishment ; )
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Don't mean to turn this into a full on Babe Ruth Discussion Thread, but I'll leave with some quotes about George Herman.
Sherry Smith, pitcher
"Ruth's eye was so good, there was little alternative. If Babe got balls somewhere near where he liked to hit them, he would bat .450. He seldom gets
a good ball. A pitcher is foolish to give him a good ball, especially with men on base."
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Rube Bressler, pitcher-A's, Reds, 1914-1920
"Ruth was great too, but he was different. Totally different – easygoing, friendly. There was only one Babe Ruth. He went on the ball field like he
was playing in a cow pasture, with cows for an audience. He never knew what fear or nervousness was. He played by instinct, sheer instinct. He
wasn’t smart, he didn’t have any education, but he never made a wrong move on a baseball field. One of the greatest pitchers of all time, and then
he became a great judge of a fly ball, never threw to the wrong base when he was playing the outfield, terrific arm, good base runner, could hit the
ball twice as far as any other human being. He was like a damn animal. He had that instinct. They know when it's going to rain, things like that.
Nature, that was Ruth!"
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Charlie Barry, Athletics, catcher
"Ruth thought there was a lot more to baseball than hitting home runs. He was a ballplayer."
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Lee Allen, writer
"So Babe could do everything required of a player. His strong left arm provided a wonderful weapon when he became an outfielder, and few were the
runners who dared test it. In most ball parks right field is the sun field and in order to prolong his career, the Yankee management usually played
him in left field when the club was on the road. But at Yankee Stadium it is left field that bears the heaviest burden of the sun, so when the New
York team was at home, Babe could most often be found in right.
Owing to the necessity for avoiding the rays of the afternoon sun as much as possible, the grandstand of Yankee Stadium had to face the northeast.
This made left field the sun field, and Ruth was to be used mostly in right when the Yankees were at home."
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Waite Hoyt
"Will there ever be another Ruth? Don't be silly! Oh, sure, somebody may come along some day who will hit more than 60 home runs in a season or more
than 714 in a career, but that won't make him another Ruth. The Bambino's appeal was to the emotions. Don't tell me about Ruth; I've seen what he did
to people. I've seen them – fans – driving miles in open wagons through the prairies of Oklahoma to see him in exhibition games as we headed north
in the spring. I've seen them: kids, men, women, worshipers all, hoping to get his famous name on a torn, dirty piece of paper, or hoping to get a
grunt of recognition when they said, 'H'ya, Babe.' He never let them down; not once! He was the greatest crowd pleaser of them all! It wasn't so much
that he hit home runs, it was how he hit them and the circumstances under which he hit them. Another Ruth? Never!"
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George Dauss
"I have pitched a ball to Ruth that was at least a foot and a half off the plate on the outside. But Babe reached out with those long arms of his and
pulled the ball into the right field stand."
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Babe Ruth
"They tell me I swing the heaviest bat in baseball. It's not only heavy but long, about as long as the law allows. And it weighs 52 ounces. Most bats
weigh under 40. My theory is the bigger the bat the faster the ball will travel. It's really the weight of the bat that drives the ball, and I like a
heavy bat. I have strength enough to swing it, and when I meet the ball, I want to feel that I have something in my hands that will make it travel.
Do you see these hands? I got those (callouses) from gripping this old war club. When I am out after a homer, I try to make much of this solid ash
handle and I carry through with the bat. You know, in boxing when you hit a man, your fist usually stops right there. But it is possible to hit a man
so hard that your fist doesn't stop. When I carry through with the bat, it is for the same reason. The harder you grip the bat, the faster the ball
will travel."
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Chester Thomas, Red Sox catcher
"Babe hits the ball so hard, that is does things no other batter can make it do. A line drive from his bat over the infielder's heads will take a
quick drop to the ground and carom off at a strange angle. If he hits the ball on the ground, it seldom bounds true because there is so much English
on it."
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The New York Times describing Ruth's first career home run off Jack Warhop, Thursday May 6, 1915
"For Boston, the big left-handed pitcher, Babe Ruth, was all that a pitcher was supposed to be and more. He put his team into the running with a home
run rap into the upper tier in right field…First up in the third, with no apparent effort, he slammed a home run into the stands."
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Babe Ruth, interviewed for Baseball Magazine, February, 1918
"When I was a kid, I used to play baseball most of the time. There was no 154-game schedule for us. The year that we didn't get in more than 200 games
was a slack season. On most good days, when we had the time, we staged a doubleheader and sometimes on Sundays we had three games. I wasn't a pitcher
in those days until I was pretty nearly through my course. My main job was catching behind the bat. I also played first base and the outfield. Three
hundred averaged didn't cut much ice in those days. I used to hit .450 or .500. I kept track one season and found that I made over 60 home runs. The
last two years I pitched and got along pretty well. But I never lost my taste for hitting and don't ever expect to."
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Ben Egan (Caught Ruth in 1914 Orioles camp in Fayetteville)
"Forget him? How can I ever forget him? It would be pleasant to say that I developed Ruth as a pitcher, but that would be nothing but hogwash. Babe
knew how to pitch the first day I saw him. I didn't have to tell him anything. He even knew how to hold runners on base. Believe me, those priests at
that school he went to must have taught him something. Or maybe he taught himself. I don't know. All I know is he was the best-looking kid I'd ever
seen and I couldn't wait to tell Dunnie about him.
You see, Dunn wasn't at that camp when we opened up. He had put me in charge of the team, but there was also a coach, Sam Steinman, who took it upon
himself to issue orders to the players. One day, when it rained, he told us all to work out in the armory, in a room so small we were all in danger of
being skulled by thrown balls. That made me mad, so I sent a wire to Dunn in Baltimore and told him there was dissension and that he had better get
down there.
Two days later he showed up, and one of his first things he said to me was, 'Ben, how does that kid from the orphanage look?' and I said, 'Dunnie, you
won't be able to keep him a half-season. He's got wonderful control, just perfect, and he can hit a ball a mile, but he's a wild kid.'
'What do you mean, wild?' Dunn asked, and I said, 'Oh, he's just high spirited.'
Just then, as we were walking down the street, Ruth came along on a bicycle, tried to pas a hay wagon and crashed into the back of it. When we got to
him, he was laying there in the street. 'Kid,' Dunn told him, 'if you want to go back to that home, just keep riding those bicycles.'
Ruth wasn't a bad kid, just wild. If he saw a bicycle on the street, he'd get on it and ride off. One morning he found a horse hitched to a post, so
he mounted it, rode down the sidewalk and right smack into a Greek confectionery, scattering the employees and the customers all over the place.
I remember the game especially against the Phillies. Ruth was pitching, and Josh Devore was in right field for the Phils. I was a base runner on
second, and Sherry Magee, who was playing second, kept beckoning Devore to come in more so he could nab me at the plate if Ruth should single. But
Babe then hit the ball so far over Devore's head we never could find out where it landed. The ball struck in a potato patch, but it rained during the
night, and when we went out the next morning to see if we could find the ball, we found it was impossible to locate it."
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Miller Huggins, Winter of 1920
"Babe is nearly made of iron than any other player I ever saw. I believe he could suffer a broken leg and still go out there and hit home runs.
Several times last season he took his place in the field and hit home runs while suffering intense physical pain from a strained back, and later in
the season while his mosquito bit was threatening him with blood poisoning. In all my twenty years in the game I never before came upon a player who
was even willing to take such risks, much less going through with them."
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Umpire Billy Evans (Spring of 1921 when asked about Ruth's chances of breaking his homer record)
"Well, now, I just don't know. I really doubt that he will ever hit more than fifty-four; but after all, I didn't think he would ever hit more than
his twenty-nine. But I know this much – every one of his fifty-four was earned. I think he hit twenty of them at the Polo Grounds and only two went
into the lower stand."
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Babe Ruth, winter of '25
"I am through all right. Through with the pests and the good-time guys who’ve cost me a quarter of a million dollars. I'm going to make good all
over again. I used to get sore when people called me a sap and tried to steer me right. They told me about John L. Sullivan and what happened to him,
but I just laughed to myself. I was going to be the exception, the popular hero who could do as he pleased. But all those people were right. Now,
though, I know that if I am going to wind up sitting pretty on the world I've got to face the facts and admit I have been the sappiest of saps."
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Colonel Ruppert, spring of '26
"I never saw Babe in better condition. Babe learned a lesson last year when he clashed with Huggins. He admitted his mistake manfully and is willing
to make amends. It would be unfair to other players to say that the success of the Yankees depends entirely on Ruth's comeback. But batting like he
did in 1924 and playing every day, he will help the team wonderfully."
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Taken from a Buck O'neil PBS interview
Q-Is there one moment in all of baseball you wish you could have seen?
"I wish I could have been there when Babe Ruth pointed and hit the ball out of the ballpark in the 1932 World Series. I wish I could have seen that.
But I did see something I admired just about as much, with Satchel Paige and Babe Ruth. This was in Chicago, after Ruth came out of the major leagues.
He was barnstorming, playing with different teams, and he played us. Satchel was pitching and Ruth was hitting. Satchel threw Ruth the ball and Ruth
hit the ball, must have been 500 feet, off of Satchel. Satchel looked at Ruth all the way around the bases and when Ruth got to home plate, you know
who shook his hand? Satchel Paige shook Ruth's hand at home plate.
They stopped the game and waited, he and Satchel talking, until the kid went out, got the ball, brought it back and Satchel had Babe Ruth autograph
that ball for him. That was some kind of moment."
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Walter Johnson on The Babe
"He is tall, heavy and strong. His weight is in his shoulders, where it will do him the most good. He is a tremendously powerful man...He grasps the
bat with an iron grip and when he meets the ball, he follows through with his full strength and weight. For his size, Joe Jackson is as hard a hitter
as Ruth, but that margin of 30 pounds in weight and enormous reserve strength enables Ruth to give the ball that extra punch, which drives it further
than anybody else."
Ruth's 12th homer in 1920 was spectacular. It was the first homer Walter had allowed in over 2 years. It came with 2 men on, in the sixth inning of a
7-7 game, and gave the Yanks a 10-7 win. Johnson threw a hard curve and Ruth hit the ball off the facade of the Polo Grounds roof. The Times the next
day reported that the ball "nearly tore away part of the roof." The hype machine was in full force, and Ruth's play gave them no reason not to.
More Walter on Babe from Baseball Magazine -
"Ruth is the hardest hitter in the game. There can be no possible doubt on that point. He hits the ball harder and drives it further than any man I
ever saw. And old timers whose memory goes back to days when baseball was little more than 'rounders,' tell me they have never seen his equal."
Johnson contemplates "Ruthmania" -
"There was an odd angle to the Memorial Day games which illustrate what a curious sport baseball really is. In the first encounter, Duffy Lewis
smashed a home run into the stands, which tied up the score. There was very little commotion. A minute later, Truck Hannah drove out another homer,
which won the game. The excitement was nothing unusual. Then in the second game, Ruth hit his home run when the game is already won, and there is
particularly nothing at stake, and the crowd gets so crazy with excitement, they are ready to tear up the stands. Strange, isn't it?"
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"People have asked me if I didn't consider Babe Ruth the greatest of natural hitters. I certainly do not. There are many times when Babe looks
terrible at bat. I've seen him miss a ball by two feet. Nobody ever saw Joe Jackson miss a ball two feet. Babe has his particular specialty where no
one can equal him. He can hit a ball harder than anybody who ever lived. But why go outside that specialty and make claims for him that aren't
true?
Babe is certainly a terrific slugger. No one can convince me that his equal ever lived since baseball graduated from the rounders stage. I, for one,
do not expect to live long enough to see any other player come up who can hit the ball, day in and day out, as hard as Ruth. Some kind friends have
claimed that Lou Gehrig can hit the ball nearly as hard as Babe. Perhaps he can, but if so, it's just nearly. Gehrig may be second best, but he's not
and never will be Babe's equal in sheer slugging." (Walter Johnson interview, Baseball Magazine, October, 1929)
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"Babe Ruth is the most dangerous hitter I ever saw, but he is not the best hitter. Like Ty Cobb, Babe has other talents which help out his batting. He
is so big and strong that sheer strength works for him just as speed worked for Ty Cobb. Ty would beat out an infield hit by fast footwork. Babe will
beat out an infield hit by sheer strength, for he will top a ball and still drive it through the infield for a hit." (Walter Johnson, Baseball
Magazine, June, 1925, pp. 291)
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Jimmy Reese, Babe's roomate with the Yanks in 1930
I went with Babe to visit St. Mary's, and they took us into a room with straps lined up against a wall. They said, "These are the straps we used on
Babe Ruth."
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In one game against Cleveland, manager Tris Speaker had Babe walked with the bases loaded, two outs, and his team only leading by two runs. That's how
much they thought of Babe.
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I couldn't sleep because the phone rang all night long - and none of the calls were for me. In the middle of the night, Babe would come strolling in
the room and say, "What's goin' on?" I'd respond, "Oh nothing, except that I have about four hundred phone messages for you."
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We were scuffling in the clubhouse one day before a ballgame when Babe decided to lock me in a locker. It so happened that he hit a home run that
afternoon. He came up to me and said, "Well, you're going in the locker again tomorrow." He did that for three consecutive days, because he hit a home
run all three days. It got to the point where I was hoping he wouldn't hit one out of the park, because I was getting tired of being locked in that
locker.
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We were playing pool one night in his apartment, and he owed me twenty dollars. Mrs. Ruth comes in the room and says, "Babe, dinner is ready." Babe
said, "I can't go until I get even." After he won the next game, he said, Okay, now we can eat." He just didn't like to lose. Another time, he
wouldn't let Lou Gehrig go to sleep until he got even in a game of bridge.
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On golf: He could hit the ball four hundred miles, but he had no control. They said they shouldn't charge him green fees, because he never used the
course.
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Ben Chapman, Yankees outfielder, 1930-1934
It was always in the paper and I agreed with them: "As Babe goes, so go the Yankees." In other words, he was the bell cow.
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I don't think anyone hit'em as far as Babe did. He was the first one to put a ball into orbit.
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The farthest home run I ever saw him hit was in Birmingham. It went completely out of the stadium and over the railroad tracks. I've never seen
anybody hit a ball like that. You couldn't measure most of Babe's, because they went 475 to 500 feet on the average. If he were playing today, he'd
hit 90 home runs.
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I remember him hitting that first home run in the 1933 All-Star game, because I replaced him in the outfield that day. He hit that one about nine
miles.
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I had some disagreements with Babe because he would always make me play the sun field. If it was right field, then I played there. I really didn't
mind as long as I was getting to play every day.
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Lefty Gomez, Yankees pitcher, 1930-1943
I think it's safe to say that no one hit home runs the way Babe did. They were something special. They were like homing pigeons. The ball would leave
the bat, pause briefly, suddenly gain its bearings, then take off for the stands.
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One time we were driving through puddles in St. Petersburg when Babe's car stalled because the wires were soaked. You know who ended up pushing that
car to the gas station? Me! Babe sat behind the wheel and laughed, "Faster, Gomez, faster!"
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When Babe was dying of cancer, I remember total strangers stopping in front of the hospital to say a prayer for him.
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Mark Koenig, Yankees shortstop, 1925-1930
He had such a beautiful swing, he even looked good striking out.
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On Babe's third hr in the third game of the 1926 World Series: The pitcher had Babe struck out, but the umpire ruled the pitcher had "quick pitched"
him or something, so he called it a ball. Wouldn't you know, Babe hit the very next pitch into the right field stands for his third homer of the
game.
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Bill Klem, home-plate umpire for the third game of the 1926 World Series
The three home runs Babe hit in that game were the three farthest balls I ever saw hit.
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Eliot Asinof, author, Eight Men Out
When I was eight years old, my father would take me to Yankee Stadium. I distinctly remember Babe Ruth hitting home runs early in the game, prompting
about half the fans to head for the exits. All they wanted was to see Babe Ruth hit a home run.
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Johnny Vander Meer, Reds pitcher, 1937-1949
He may have had a hang-up on name, but he had a fantastic memory for faces and places. If he went by a road or town once, he wouldn't need a road map
the next time. He had an incredible memory from eyesight.
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He would always wave the right way or say the right things. He used to drive around in this sixteen-cylinder Cadillac that had to be close to thirty
feet long. One day, Babe and I were racing through the Catskills. There happened to be a policeman parked on the side of the road who recognized Babe
and yelled , "Hi ya, Babe!"
Well, I'm right behind him, and as soon as the cop sees me, he flags me down for speeding. Babe saw what happened, whipped his car around and came to
my rescue. "It's okay, officer," he said confidently. "He's with me."
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Joe Sewell, Yankees third baseman, 1931-1933
One day we were playing in St. Louis, and Babe hit one across Grand Avenue and on top of a three story building. I was on first base and I stopped
before I got to second to watch it. That was the farthest ball I ever saw hit. It must have been a half-mile high.
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When Babe hit sixty home runs in 1927, no one even pitched to him. I played for the Indians back then, and we threw the ball in the dirt, behind his
back, over his head, anywhere but over the plate. If everyone pitched to him, he would've hit 100.
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I was in New YOrk the day they retired his uniform. Babe came into the clubhouse with his attendant, and I turned and said to my son, "Go over and get
a good look at him, because he's not going to be with us much longer." He did about three months later.
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I got five hits in five times at bat against Lefty Grove, and I was a left-handed hitter. My fifth hit that day was a home run into the right-field
stands. Up until this point, Babe had failed to hit a home run. I'll never forget Babe waiting for me at home plate. He shook my hand and said, "Well
kid, they call came out to see me hit a home run today, and you picked me up." He was a tremendous team player who thought a lot of his fellow man.
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Hank Greenberg, Tigers first baseman, 1933-1946
I had the good fortune of playing two years against Babe Ruth. He was in a class by himself. He overshadowed Foxx, Gehrig and the rest of them. Ruth
was the only player I knew that when he came out on the field, everybody stopped. It was like the star came on center stage. When he went to take
batting practice, nobody looked at anything but Babe. When you've got that type of magnetism, you know you're the star.
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Bob Lemon, Indians pitcher, 1941-1958
When I was twelve years old, I played hooky from school and rode my bicycle fourteen miles to Long Beach, California, just to get Babe Ruth's
autograph. After the exhibition, in which Babe hit about two dozen balls out of the park, he was signing balls in the parking lot. I couldn't believe
who was standing next to him waiting for an autograph - my father. I rode like hell to get home before he did. In later years we used to practice with
that ball when Dad wasn't around. He kept looking at it from time to time and wondering why the name on theball kept fading.
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Bill Dickey, Yankees catcher, 1928-1944
I saw him hit balls so high to the infield that nobody wanted to catch them. The players would fall down and Babe would end up with a triple.
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I was scared to death of Ruth and Gehrig. I was trying to hit the ball as far as them, and I could never do that as long as I live. Miller Huggins
came up to me and said, "You're trying to hit the ball as far as Ruth and Gehrig, aren't you?" I said, "Yes sir." Huggings then told me to get an
Earle Combs model, choke up on the bat, and hit to all fields. It really helped me.
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I came into the clubhouse one day and my shoes were nailed to the floor. The only guy there was Tony Lazzeri, and he told me Babe had done it. Back in
those days shoes cost sixteen dollars a pair, which was a lot of money. I was a rookie and really didn't know what to do.
The next day I bought myself an egg and put it in one of Babe's shoes. Everyone in the clubhouse knew what I was up to and waited anxiously for Babe
to come in. We all watched as Babe got dressed, and, wouldn't you know, the last thing he put on was the shoe with the egg in it. You could see his
face clearly, as he looked around in disbelief. He turned the shoe upside down and emptied the egg out onto the floor. He got really mad and turned
red. Then he walked to the opposite end of the clubhouse looking for the guilty party.
Well, I called out in this little fine voice, "Babe, I put that egg in your shoe." He turned around real fast and came running right up to me. I
thought he was gonna take a swing at me, but all of a sudden he broke out in a big laugh, and all you could hear was laughter throughout the
clubhouse.
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We were riding through my home town in Arkansas on a train, when all of a sudden the train comes to a halt. do you know, the people in town found out
Babe was on that train and had flagged it down?
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Mel Allen, Yankees broadcaster, 1930s-1980s
The first time I saw Babe Ruth play was in Detroit against the Tigers. I was only a teenager at the time but I'll never forget that day.
The Yankees were trailing by about five runs when Babe made the final out in the top of the eighth inning. After the Tigers were retired in their half
of the eighth, Babe ran in from the outfield and sat on the Tigers bench: laughing, knee slapping, and having a good time. You really weren't allowed
to sit in the opposing dugout, but the umpires let it go because it was Babe.
Well, in the top of the ninth, the Yankees stage a big rally and bat around. All of a sudden it's Babe's turn to hit again. The bases were loaded when
he stepped to the plate and hit the first pitch deep over the center-field fence. The Yankees scored six runs or so in the inning and went on to win
the game. I'll never forget how Babe laughed like crazy as he ran around the bases.
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Many people have told me that the reason they brought their infants to see Babe, as he lay in state in the rotunda of Yankee Stadium, was because one
day they wanted to tell them they saw the great Babe Ruth.
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Honus Wagner, 1924
No all-American team would be complete without Babe Ruth, either as a regular or extra man. His hitting alone gives him a place. And, let me tell you,
Ruth is a much better fielder and a faster man on base than a lot of people think. He looks slow on account of his immense size, but that boy can get
about. Babe Ruth is without a doubt the longest hitter that baseball ever knew.
I have seen all the long range boys but nobody in the world could ever hit a ball like Ruth. Many pitchers are justly afraid of pitching to Ruth. They
fear he may hit a ball directly back at them that would be fatal. They pass him for that reason as any other. If I had him in the two-three hole you
can bet I'd let him walk rather than put one in the groove.
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Bucky Harris, Washington Manager
"He could beat you single-handed, had good baseball instinct and brought into the game something that nobody else had."
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Rube Walberg
"He could hit any kind of pitching and field with the best of the outfielders. If the score was tied and the Yankees needed a stolen base to put them
in scoring position, the Babe would be the boy to deliver it although he wasn't a Ty Cobb on the base paths."
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Waite Hoyt, picking greatest of all time
"I pick Ruth for all-round unlimited general skill and drawing ability."
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Lawton (Whitey) Witt
"He made few mistakes on the playing field, and how he could hit."
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Jimmie Foxx, picking greatest of all time
"Ty was about washed up when I came up, while Ruth was the hottest man in the majors. I'd say Babe Ruth."
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