biblical questions

proverbs 8-22 read that and ull know y jesus did for u or us and the bible goes on to tell y but i think(this is just me) there is more and if u really want to know like me i seazrched and i found some answers that make sence let me know and ill give u some web sites.

Originally posted by helen670

Originally posted by LOBO
Jehovah, if you truly exist, you will bring you damn servant helen to be with you...and not with us.

YOU GOT A PROBLEM ''''''''''lobo'''''''''

damn only yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You dont like it here????????????


THEN LEAVE ....................

Aww, did I hurt your wittle feelings helen? You can notice when people are being sarcastic, right? Because that's what I was doing.

damn only yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This coming from the very person who I've seen preach damnation and hellfire to damn-near every person here on ATS...nice.

You dont like it here????????????
THEN LEAVE ....................

Did I say I didn't like it here? I merely suggested that I wanted you out of my hair. I just want you to be with your deity, to be happy, and you get offended.
Good to know you can read from your Patriot-script as well as your Jesus-script as well ("love it or leave it").

And, once again, using a dozen punctuation question marks, periods or quotations doesn't make you seem any more serious, it doesn't add drama, and it sure as hell doesn't make you look more intelligent. You have the ability to put text in bold, italics, and underlined for a reason.

Originally posted by mystra
not be with a woman?

i think he was!

this is the terrifying prospect that has haunted the "church" and "religion" throughout several centuries...forcing them into unhealthy, scary, destructive Sodom and Gommorah scenarios...

what is so scary about love? Whats so scary about Jesus falling in love with a woman?

Its the key to peace! Projection of Adam and Eve...trying to put it all right and restore the balance..not just of humanity..but of planet earth itself.

To deny it is the key to war...what we're seeing on the news every day.

To accept it...is to embrace Paradise on earth. Its your choice.

I agree mystra, if people really think about it, Christians claim that Jesus is God in the flesh and experienced every human emotion. If thats the case then why did he fail to experience the most physically intimate satisfying emotion between man and woman? Saying that he wasn't intimate is in fact stating that Sex is a dirty thing, an 'Unholy act' which would have stolen Jesus' purity??!.. Doesn't hold water. God forbid if Jesus actually had feelings enjoyed the very thing that God blessed all human kind with! Intimacy. Something to think about..

correct me if im wrong but doesnt the bible say to not deify any man? if so, wouldnt worshipping jesus go against what it says?

Im no fundamentalist Christian, most people would call me a heathen but heres my go at the questions

1) why exactly does god have to go through the process of sacrificing his own son just so he could forgive us of our sins and what does believing in the resurection have to do with being forgiven of your sins? not to mention what about those who are raised up to believe other religions are the truth? so there basically gona burn in eternal hellfire just because of thier upbringing which is something we have no controll over?
It was the perfect sacrifice, a human who had dome no wrong killed by those who were supposed to be his friends. Being perfect with no sin is impossible, there is no one who can follow the 10Cs, Jesus must have some divinity to pull that off. So basically like who a prized bull is worth more than a sick one, Jesus was the ultimate human sacrifice.

2) if the catholic church is such a blasphemy in gods name, why does he allow it to still stand? god was so quick to inflict his wrath upon heathens time after time in the ot so why do they get away with thier blasphemies in god's name? for that matter what about all these orginizations like holywood, mtv, ect that are corrupting the youth and leading them away from the church? shouldn't they get god's wrath as well? i mean dosn't the bible say that god wills all men to be saved? shouldn't he be doing something about this? for that matter why would he allow the illuminati to slowly take over his earth with thier new world order? (for those of you like myself who believe in the new world order)

Ive been taught that Satin rules the earth. Those who sin and do not repent will get punished. The Pope head of the Catololic church was friends with someone who was friends with someone .....who was a friend of Peter(or Paul, i dont know) who was a friend of Jesus. There is link a to Jesus in the Catholic church that is why it is still around. Those who seek the Lord will be rewarded when all is said in done, eternal life through Jesus for those who want it.

3) why is it that satan who is the mother of all sinners and commited probally the worst sin possible in trying to overthrow god is not only allowed to get his own realm of darkness but is also able to inhabit the earth with his army of darkness to corrupt humanity which is another great sin? not to mention why does he get all those privledges for trying to overthrow god and the rest of us sinners who are corrupted by satan get eternal torment? he's the original sinner and yet he seems to have gotten a pretty sweet deal out of it.

Everywhere there is a battle between good in evil. There has to be soemthing greater than we know. Satin went against God and was banished. Our lives, our energy may be the thing that balances out all the forces.

4) last but not least, why is it that the bible which is supossed to be the official world of god contain so many different messages that blatantly contradict other messages within the bible? for those who say "there are no contradictions within the bible", what are all these supposed to be then?

If it were translated correctly there would be no contradictions. Like in the NT when that guy was told to eat stuff that wasnt allowed in the OT, as the bible progresses somethings are allowed. Some of the Levitican law about tatoos and piercings were worthwile then because the people were getting infections from those acts and were dying and infecting others.


[Edited on 22-11-2003 by jrod]

it simply sets guidelines of behaviour to get through life with the least amount of pain to ones self and prevents causing excessive damage to others in the process of living ones life out to the inevitable end.
The inability to think CLEARLY to accomplish this is the reason for this world being so chaotic as it is today, read it, use your conscience ansd morals to make the right decisions.
Be reasonable and kind.
Don't let the distractions distract you...
It is all meaningless.
peace is only found throught the realisation that all you think is important really means nothing, NOTHING.
TIMELESS,MEANINGLESS!.
There isn't anything out there, it is all in you.
peace be with you.

Originally posted by mutehalo
1) why exactly does god have to go through the process of sacrificing his own son just so he could forgive us of our sins " now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins commited..."Hebrews 9:15 and what does believing in the resurection have to do with being forgiven of your sins? "He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justifisation." Romans 4:25 not to mention what about those who are raised up to believe other religions are the truth? so there basically gona burn in eternal hellfire just because of thier upbringing which is something we have no controll over? "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14 Everyone will hear about God and then the end will come.

2) if the catholic church is such a blasphemy in gods name, why does he allow it to still stand? god was so quick to inflict his wrath upon heathens time after time in the ot so why do they get away with thier blasphemies in god's name? for that matter what about all these orginizations like holywood, mtv, ect that are corrupting the youth and leading them away from the church? shouldn't they get god's wrath as well? God is loving and He doesn't inflict his wrath on those people because he knows their end. i mean dosn't the bible say that god wills all men to be saved? shouldn't he be doing something about this? for that matter why would he allow the illuminati to slowly take over his earth with thier new world order? (for those of you like myself who believe in the new world order) It is Gods will to save all people on earth but He doesn't force people to believe in Him.

3) why is it that satan who is the mother of all sinners and commited probally the worst sin possible in trying to overthrow god is not only allowed to get his own realm of darkness but is also able to inhabit the earth with his army of darkness to corrupt humanity which is another great sin? not to mention why does he get all those privledges for trying to overthrow god and the rest of us sinners who are corrupted by satan get eternal torment? he's the original sinner and yet he seems to have gotten a pretty sweet deal out of it. He is on earth cause he is the ruler of earth. He was thrown from heaven after lossing the battle with God. He has an army of dark angels because the angels that on heaven supported him(satan) were too thrown to earth. He will at the end of this world bw thrown into a lake of firewith the rest of the sinners and his dark angels.(i dont think that a sweet deal he has)

4) last but not least, why is it that the bible which is supossed to be the official world of god contain so many different messages that blatantly contradict other messages within the bible? for those who say "there are no contradictions within the bible", what are all these supposed to be then?

if anyone can give me well thought out answers to all these questions it would be most apreciated. Bible doesn't contradicte its self. Please put any contradictions you find and I will clearify.(i saw the website but there is to much of them and I cant talk about them all at one time) Also when the Bible was translated to other languages the wording was changed a bit and thats why it might sound like contradictions.




[Edited on 19-11-2003 by mutehalo]

God Bless You.

So mutehalo do you have any contradictions you want to post that you want clerifed?

sorry for my spelling

Originally posted by Russian
So mutehalo do you have any contradictions you want to post that you want clerifed?

sorry for my spelling

well for one in the new testament we are taught by jesus that god was all loving and mercifull yet in the old testamente he causes, floods, earthquakes, plauges, and orders his followers to commit acts of mass genocide and murders babies to punish sinners. not to mention he created a realm of eternal torment and despair for those who don't live a perfect life and lets satan run free on earth to corrupt his followers and send him there. this dosn't quite sound like a loving and merciful god to me. so are we supposed to reject the old testament then? dosn't the bible say god canges not? or do we follow the gnostic faith where the old testament god was an evil god and the god that jesus preached was a seperate god? which goes against the idea that there is one and only one god.

the bible also says that one is saved by faith and works, yet in some parts it says its by faith and not works.

then in some parts is says we must love our enimies where in other parts is says to strike back at our enimies that wrong us and rejoice at thier deaths.

then in many parts is says that god is rightous yet he has been wrathfull, hatefull, and jealous numerous times which are all said to be sins.

these are just some of the many contradictions that i know of. i've tried numerous times to try and make sense of these but with no evail.

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by mutehalo]

Originally posted by mutehalo
quote]

well for one in the new testament we are taught by jesus that god was all loving and mercifull yet in the old testamente he causes, floods, earthquakes, plauges, and orders his followers to commit acts of mass genocide and murders babies to punish sinners. not to mention he created a realm of eternal torment and despair for those who don't live a perfect life and lets satan run free on earth to corrupt his followers and send him there. this dosn't quite sound like a loving and merciful god to me. so are we supposed to reject the old testament then? dosn't the bible say god canges not? or do we follow the gnostic faith where the old testament god was an evil god and the god that jesus preached was a seperate god? which goes against the idea that there is one and only one god.

the bible also says that one is saved by faith and works, yet in some parts it says its by faith and not works.

then in some parts is says we must love our enimies where in other parts is says to strike back at our enimies that wrong us and rejoice at thier deaths.

then in many parts is says that god is rightous yet he has been wrathfull, hatefull, and jealous numerous times which are all said to be sins.

these are just some of the many contradictions that i know of. i've tried numerous times to try and make sense of these but with no evail.

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by mutehalo]

ok the old and new testements are very different.

in the old testement people got forgiven for their sins with sheeps blood.

In the new testement God said that was enough of killing innocent and He brought Jesus to earth to be sacrificed for our sins so we dont spill any more blood.

Originally posted by Russian

ok the old and new testements are very different.

in the old testement people got forgiven for their sins with sheeps blood.

In the new testement God said that was enough of killing innocent and He brought Jesus to earth to be sacrificed for our sins so we dont spill any more blood.

but dosn't the bible say god dosn't change his laws though? ya didn't quite answer my other questions either.

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by mutehalo]

Originally posted by mutehalo


but dosn't the bible say god dosn't change his laws though? ya didn't quite answer my other questions either.

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by mutehalo]

it says God deosnt change.

In the Bible God doesnt change any law.

I the new testement God just ADDs something to the law.

Originally posted by Russian

it says God deosnt change.

In the Bible God doesnt change any law.

I the new testement God just ADDs something to the law.

so sacrificing sheep is still a way to cleanse your sins then?

Originally posted by mutehalo


so sacrificing sheep is still a way to cleanse your sins then?

No the sacrafice of Jesus now takes place of sheep.

Originally posted by Russian

No the sacrafice of Jesus now takes place of sheep.

that sounds like a change to me.

Originally posted by mutehalo


that sounds like a change to me.

No its taking place of.

Also God saw that killing innocent had to be stopped and people had to have a savor.

The law was modifyed cause that was the plan of God for the humans.

suuurrree, if ya say so. i still say something taking the place of something constitues as change. but then again what do i know.

Until God opens your mind to the Bible(you first have to open your mind to him).

You will not understand the meaning of whats said in the Bible.

But if you look for God in your life He will open your mind to the Bible and Him.

who says my mind isn't open to god?

i'm a very strong believer in god and i pray to god constantly to help clear up the things that confuse me in life. so try again.

my mind is open to and i look towards jesus as well for that matter.

[Edited on 25-11-2003 by mutehalo]